Which to buy ? The Suziki 2007 140 four stroke vrs e-tec 150

[JJB]

Has anyone heard anything good or bad about the 2007 140 suzuki 4 stroke . I have heard that 4 strokes have lots of maintenance to do on them ! valve and chain adj. ect. I have also heard that when salt water used it plays hell on the valve seats ! True ? I don't know which one to buy now ! 4 stroke or e-tec , there is about a 2000 dollar between the two , Is there that much less maintenance between them ? Are there any issues with the e-tec I should know about ? Thanks JJB

 

[cobra 3.0]

Re: Which to buy ? The Suziki 2007 140 four stroke vrs e-tec 150

$2000.00 more is surely significant. I doubt that it will cost the difference in valve adjustments and oil bathed chain. Besides, you need to use a special Evinrude two stroke oil in their engines which they aren't giving away, so it's probably a wash either way.

Weight-wise they are within a few pounds of each other, because the Evinrude 150 is the same block as their 175 and 200.

Speed and power-wise, Evinrude's 10 horses isn't much more but two strokes are generally faster and Evinrude's bigger engine (Evinrude's 2589 cu in. vs Suzuki's 2044 cu in.) should give you much more grunt too.

Warranty-wise Evinrude's 7 year vs. Suzuki's 3 year. Now this is certainly worth some money here.

Finally, it's whether the Evinrude will outlast the Suzuki and give you less trouble in the long haul...especially in salt use. Since there are no long term comparisons available as both are relatively new, who knows? Theoretically, Evinrude's less moving parts should be better.

So in the end, the choice is still up to you. If you are buying for the longer haul, the Evinrude could be the better choice. Otherwise, it'll be difficult to recoop the difference.

 

[DJ]

Re: Which to buy ? The Suziki 2007 140 four stroke vrs e-tec 150

A good synopsis was given by Cobra.

One other thing to think about. The e-tec requires NO scheduled maintenance for three years.

True, you have to add oil to the e-tec. However, if it is set up to use the "good stuff" oil consumption is nothing like old two strokes.

Evinrude/Johnson have a good reputation in salt water. I'm sure Bombardier carries that tradition on.

 

[Silvertip]

Re: Which to buy ? The Suziki 2007 140 four stroke vrs e-tec 150

I'm curious how salt water can affect valve seats since the only way they can contact salt water is if its injested through the intake which obviously is not a good thing.

 

[Cricket Too]

Re: Which to buy ? The Suziki 2007 140 four stroke vrs e-tec 150

I was thinking the same thing Silvertip. If you have any water at all, fresh or salt coming in contact with your valve seats, you have a bigger problem.

To me it just seems useless to have 6 times as many moving parts in an engine to accomplish the same thing. If the economy was a huge difference I could see it, but with E-tec technology you get just as good if not better economy.

I have seen E-tec's go a whole normal season (50 hours) on 3 quarts of oil, granted that was the 75hp, but you get the idea that they barely use any oil. So doing oil changes on a 4 stroke compared to having to by the XD-100 from Evinrude, is probably about the same. When was the last time you only used a gallon and a half of oil all season?? I usually buy the stuff by the case for my 200 and it's not even all that old.

 

[JB]

Re: Which to buy ? The Suziki 2007 140 four stroke vrs e-tec 150

Not an apples comparison. The Suzi DF140 is a good engine, but small displacement for 140HP. Gotta turn more rpms to make the horses, like a Yammy 90. Fairly low low end torque compared to bigger displacement 140hp engines.

The Suzi "big block" DF150 would be a more logical competitor for the ETEC 150. Both have good hole shot and are user friendly.

The ETEC has an edge in several features and is the one I would probably choose, but the DF150 is an awfully sweet machine, too.

ETEC 150 vs DF140 is a no brainer. ETEC all the way.

 

[JJB]

Re: Which to buy ? The Suziki 2007 140 four stroke vrs e-tec 150

Hey guy's Thanks for the reply you been a big help getting the rubber band off my wallet ! I was looking at the 4 stroke because I do a lot of offshore trolling. I have heard they are good for that more so then the e-tec are . true ? The only thing is that 150 suziki weights 474 lb compare to the 140 suzki @ 420lb . I know the e-tec is 427 but thats 13, 000 installed . I found a new 2006 150 suziki four stroke for 11, 000 installed . My bayliner is a 20 4' 1991 trophy model rated 175 max . Bayliner does not give me a max weight I can use on it . My next question is would the 150 at 474 lb to heave for my boat ? The force motor on there weights 348 lb . I was wondering if my boat was built to handle that extra weight and how would it effect it ? Thanks JJB

 

[JB]

Re: Which to buy ? The Suziki 2007 140 four stroke vrs e-tec 150

Ahhhh. A Fisherman.

Lemme see. 70% of 175hp is 122hp, so 140hp is well above the minimum 70% of rated power I would recommend.

In that case I would opt for the DF140. You will have less of a hole shot but get overall satisfactory performance with less weight and less fuel burned. A sweet troller is the DF140.

 

[JRJ]

Re: Which to buy ? The Suziki 2007 140 four stroke vrs e-tec 150

I think you will really enjoy the Suzuki8)

 

[gss036]

Re: Which to buy ? The Suziki 2007 140 four stroke vrs e-tec 150

I have a friend who has a 130 Honda on the back of the same boat. He likes it, but it does make the boat squat a little more than a 2 stroke. You might have to move some of the weight up front more.
Check w/Bayliner about the weight issue.

 

[jimmbo]

Re: Which to buy ? The Suziki 2007 140 four stroke vrs e-tec 150

concern about salt corrosion of the valves of a 4 stroke? It was said the salty air would have to be inhaled to reach the valve. That really is nothing to worry about. In reality, 2 strokes inhale salty air too, passing it thru the crankcase with all its bearing surfaces and cylinder walls. These engines can and do operate for many years in that enviroment.

 

[seahorse5]

Re: Which to buy ? The Suziki 2007 140 four stroke vrs e-tec 150

concern about salt corrosion of the valves of a 4 stroke? It was said the salty air would have to be inhaled to reach the valve.

, 2 strokes inhale salty air too, passing it thru the crankcase with all its bearing surfaces and cylinder walls.

In a multi-cylinder 4 stroke, an exhaust valve will always be open to the salt air and moisture. It will get condensation inside the cylinder as the temperature fluctuates. The oil control rings on a 4 stroke scrape the cylinder dry basically and a light film of corrosion forms fairly quickly in salt water environments.

On a 2 stroke, the cylinders have an oily film as they ingest oil with the gas when running. They also can get corrosion when left in the water, but not near as quickly as 4-strokes.

If a boat is used often, this is not much of a problem but when used infrequently, corrosion builds up and gets scraped away when the motor is started. That takes small amounts of metal with it.