Who made God?

Ralph 123

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Re: Who made God?

Hey Toad, any thoughts on my previous post as to why it has lasted 2000+ years if it is all fictional? I really would like to hear your thoughts on the subject.
 

Elmer Fudge

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Hey Lubedude, What would an omnipotent all knowing God need with the mere obedience of an inconsequential being such as man? I say inconsequential because since this God, who happened to be his own father,at the same time he was actually the son, who by allowing himself to be killed in a most painful and horrific death, managed to save all mankind from sin.<br /> Now that we are without this thing called sin, I take it that we now have no need to be born a second time.
 

Toad2001

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Well the way I see it, a lot of blood has certainly been shed over it over the years, so its certainly been very heated.<br />Its been a power thing, and money is intertwined. You have true believers and missionaries converting and recruit from other religions. It almost seems like big business to me. <br />People like something to believe in. I think most people in America are raised to almost be ashamed if they don't believe in God. That's probably the way its been for 2000 years, and maybe that answers your question. Personally I think the billions of dollars that religion extracts from society and the millions of people it has killed over the years in wars, terrorism and acts of violence it has caused to this day, has done more harm than good.
 

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But why these particular, intertwined religions? In the case of Christianity, they certainly started off with nothing at all but a handful of followers and a slain leader. Many movements had a lot more than that, including communism which has no religion at all per se. So why did this one gain such prominence from such meager beginnings and grow to overthrow the mighty Roman empire and be firmly established for 2000 years? Why aren't people worshiping the Greek or Roman Gods? Why aren't they worshiping the golden calf? The Sun and Moon? Why these religions for centuries?
 

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Toad,<br />Where did you get your fact that George Patton believed in reincarnation other than the movie? I have read many of his memoirs, along with the book written by Farago that the movie was based on. Have seen a few points where he was understandably stressed and made some interesting remarks, but overwhelmingly was just a leader who made some tough calls. As such, many did not like him in Hollywood when the movie was made, yet many did. That whole "through a glass" poem has been extended way out of context. Have you found anything different? I'm a big fan of studying this stuff. Let me know.
 

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Ralph, Buddhism and Hinduism have been around for a few thousand years prior to christianity,and their followers number into the billions.<br />I gather, like christianity, it all started by a few people following the teachings of one individual.
 

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Originally posted by Toad2001:<br />Ladyfish, I am not an atheist.<br />Just neutral on the subject.
If you tell your child to clean his room, should your child then reply "Why? What are you going to do for me?" <br /><br />Let's assume that God DOES exist, and that he is truly all-powerful, and did in fact give you life. Isn't it a little presumptuous and arrogant of you to stand there like a stubborn child with your arms crossed, saying "well, I won't believe in you until you show me proof"?<br /><br />On the subject of who created God, it's absurd to ponder it. You are much smarter than a cockroach, do you think the cockroach will ever fully understand your creation? Likewise, how can we even presume to understand the creation of God?
 

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Hi jimchere, <br />I've just read his biography and saw the movie, and recall he was a staunch believer of reincarnation. Thats not to say he didn't have other religious beliefs, I just can't recall what those might have been.<br /><br />Ralph, I wonder why so much death had to occur while overthrowing the "once mighty roman empire" over an imaginary friend. As far as why so many people are adamant followers? I don't know. People just like to belong. Cults, Groups, Clubs, people are like lemmings I guess. And as Elmer mentioned, there are many different religions. And look at all the variances...Even within Christianity nobody can agree.<br /><br />wilkin250r-I've read your post, and appreciate your comments. If the world wasn't so fuked up, I might just look seriously at what you are preaching. Unfortunately, life on earth is tolerable for a select few of it's 6 Billion inhabitants. You show me a god who cares, and I'll convert into a thumping believer.<br /><br />In the mean time, 30,000 children will starve to death today.
 

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Toad,<br />G.S. Patton was quite Roman Catholic.<br />Where and which autobiography did you find the staunch belief in reincarnation (publication)? I'd like to find a different version from what I've read. The movie, based on Farago's biography (the famous one with George Scott) is an excellent movie, as we all know, but leaves out a lot of good stuff as all movies do. You can still get the book by Ladislas Farago as used through Amazon or E-bay and it is great reading.<br />Yep, there may be 30k children who will starve to death today. Under who's leadership? You really should pay a visit to North Africa, Siberia, and the middle east and I think you may find your number to be quite low. What's being done about it? What's been done about it for the past hundred years? How has socialism improved the lot? Has it improved or gotten worse? Will working with the UN help?
 

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jimchere,<br /><br />Remember in the movie, When Patton was at the cemetery in North Africa near the Mediterranean, and he said "I've been here in a former life" or words to that affect?<br />Not only that, I think he implied he battled there before...<br /><br />My point wasn't isolated to death by starvation, but also starvation in general, sickness and disease, war, chaos, I mean even the poorest people in Canada or the US have it made if they are healthy...<br /><br />I've never seen evidence of work I could attribute to God, sorry to say.
 

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Toad,<br />I remember that part of the movie. I digress from a my previous post about the Roman Catholicism; actually Patton was Epicopalian by family yet very well versed in the teachings of the RC church.<br />He was very well educated in history, and used this knowledge to get a "one upsmanship" on local leaders in North Africa and Southern Europe to garner their understanding and trust; a crucial task at the time. To flip the coin, someone in Europe could read our history, go to Los Angeles, and make the mayor of LA think he had lived there before because those people have such little understanding of their past.<br />Good historical stuff. This is fun to talk about and your making me pull some old books off the shelf ;)
 

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Originally posted by Toad2001:<br />In the mean time, 30,000 children will starve to death today.
Maybe, it's that not ENOUGH people believe, and we need more believers. Glass half emtpy, or half full?<br /><br />I am not trying to convert you. I'm merely presenting the other side of the arguement. You say you haven't seen proof of God, and I don't believe you ever will. Proof denies faith, if you need proof then you don't truly believe with all your heart. And what is God without faith? <br /><br />If God sets a task before you, but the outcome or reason is not perfectly clear, do you have the faith to carry on the task without knowing exactly why? Sometimes, believe it or not, we cannot understand God's plan, which represents quite the dilema if you need proof before you proceed, yet cannot understand the proof if it is presented to you. Faith is required of us. <br /><br />So, more important than the question "what is God without faith?" is the question "what good are YOU without faith?" I would have to believe that God isn't interested in explaining every little detail of his plans to you just to satisfy your curiosity.<br /><br />I'm sure you've heard it before, but now you can look at it from a different perspective. First you have faith, THEN you'll see proof.
 

Toad2001

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A person can have perfect morals without religious affiliation. That's my belief, and that's how I was raised.<br />The church would like me injecting 10% of my income, but I think I'd rather buy a bigger boat, and/or donate to charities that actually contribute something to better the world, thanks. I have my own interpretation of spirituality which is unique and catered to suit my personal mindset. It works for me. I'm certainly not following convention though.
 

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I couldn't agree more. I don't think religion is a defining characteristic of a "good" person. I have met many athiests who are wonderful people, and I consider some of them my dear friends. Likewise, I've met many "religious" people that are terrible human beings that I would not associate myself with. Religion certainly does NOT equal morality, but that is not the topic of discussion.
 

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Most societies in the history of civilization have recognised that there is (are) power(s) or law(s) that govern all cause/effect relationships and caused what is to be. Further, they recognised that how we homo sapiens behave is causal in terms of probable consequences.<br /><br />Many assign these powers to an individual entity and give that entity a human-like identity, or to a collection of entities. Typically, these entities are believed to be benevolent and vengeful. . .to intervene in the course of human events. Others believe that the entities are neither benevolent or vengeful; they are indifferent to our wishes, responding only to our behavior and probability.<br /><br />Various philosophies and legends develop to attempt to explain these powers and how we should cooperate with them (It) for a successful life.<br /><br />Mother Nature, the collections of "Gods" that the Greeks and Romans specified, Allah, the Christian God, Manitou, and the identities that other societies assign these powers to are one and the same in that they are the identities various cultures have assigned as manifesting the same powers.<br /><br />Believe in quantum mechanics? You believe in what Christians call God. Believe in physics? Believe in thermodynamics, electronics, agriscience, psychology, etc, etc?? You believe.<br /><br />Perceptions and beliefs about these powers are the work of man. If you tell me I don't believe in God you are simply saying that I don't percieve God the way you do, and you don't percieve God in the way I do. Vice-versa.<br /><br />It is the works of man that divide us.
 

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Toad, oh if only we could spend some time together. Oh man.....if only you could walk with me in my walk in the love my Lord. You would see, feel, experience the passion first hand. He showers me with love every minute of every day. He goes out before me, His right arm is beneath me. His angels encamp around me! Jehovah Jireh!!!!!!!! He provides!! El Shaddai!! He is God ALMIGHTY! He conquers those who oppose Him, He delivers up His children to receive the things He promised!! What a LIFE! I am truly blessed and HIGHLY favored in the Kingdom of my ALMIGHTY and loving and providing GOD! <br /><br />If you could only see it for yourself......I would so love to share this with you Toad. I pray now that God put it on your heart.....that you would come to know Him and all His tender mercies. Dear God, you said that your Law is written on our hearts (it's your conscience Toad), we need you Lord. Send him angels and comfort and the deep and unquechable desire to know you and invite you into his heart. You alone God have the power to harden our hearts...and to soften them. Soften his heart dear Father, tug at it gently, and Toad will come. I walk in faith and NOT by sight. I call that which is not as though it were! In Christs holy and perfect and powerful name, let these things come to pass! Amen.
 

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OMG Soulwinner with all due respect, this is not the right forum to try and save anyone or preach gospel.<br /><br />Maybe we should live and let live when it comes to religious choice. Thank God we live in a country where thats still an option.
 
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