Formula 27PC Complete Power plant rebuild

[alldodge]

Started the install of the engine, it takes a lot of chain pulling to pick it up high enough


Tried to install and it was not going in, need two shoe horns.:facepalm: Took it back out and repositioned the straps to put the engine at an angle tipping to the rear. This helped but still no go. :facepalm: So removed the seawater pump and alternator.



Managed to get it in and put everything back on including the new elbows. Most of this was done laying on top the motor hanging upside down. :brick: Don't know if I'm getting better or just getting use to the pain. Made a bracket to hold my lube bottle and go figure the hose is not long enough. This one is no issue, the hose is cheap and readily available



And now for the rest of the story, there seems to always be something else. My new exhaust elbows are 9 inches from the transom and about 1.5 inches high and to the right or the hole. Now I need about 12 to 13 inches of flexible exhaust hose. Seem no one has the Shields or Trident 252 of 252V (silicone) 4 inch hose. All backorder 2 to 3 weeks. Starting to think about a 4 inch pipe (copper or stainless) and 2 of my 4 inch boots.

Anyone have any other ideas?




Also had to remove the bar used to raise/lower my engine hatch because the elbows will interfere with it. now have to make something up to use the drive of maybe remove it. Don't think this will be a big thing but for now on the back burner

 

[Scott Danforth]

I'm running 5 ply turbo hose. Its high temp silicone that is good for over 550 degrees. Much higher temp capacity than standard exhaust hose. Just hit up your local diesel repair shop

 

[alldodge]

I'm running 5 ply turbo hose. Its high temp silicone that is good for over 550 degrees. Much higher temp capacity than standard exhaust hose. Just hit up your local diesel repair shop

Thanks Scott I'll look them up

 

[alldodge]

Have looked around for the turbo hose but only coming up with short pieces. Have any other sources for the stuff and where it can be had?

I did go and buy a 2 foot piece of 4 inch silicone wire reinforced hose from Marine Exhaust Inc down in FL. Hope when it arrives it will work, otherwise, I'm going to the local muffler shop and get a 5 to 6 inch piece of 4 inch pipe and use my old exhaust boots for the remainder of this year. Will get other stuff for next season

 

[alldodge]

Gave it a quick between the bunk paint job today, plan to jack it up off the trailer at the end of the season and do it right for next season.



Installed the turns downs and readjusted the engine mounts for a better alignment. Having of time waiting for the hose I find myself tweaking things



Uncrated the drive and was looking for the serial number, all I found was this tag



Just above the Mercruiser label there is small print which sates "Serial Number" but there is none there. On the other side it has "Drive Ratio" which is also blank.
Kinda figured that info would be there. Might give Gavin Marine a call to find out why it's not there



Made me a tool to adjust the engine mounts easier. Not enough room to use a full length 1 1/16 wrench, but after you bend it a couple times t works pretty good. Like those cheap Pittsburg tools for such mods



A few more war wounds for the tight quarters

 

[alldodge]

Contacted Gavin Marine and they bought an upper and a lower from Merc and put them together, this is why it doesn't have a serial number. I'm sure it's OK but bothers me to find out now the issue instead of knowing it from the get go.

 

[alldodge]

I need to find out about this black cloud that is following me around. Checked the gear lube it was ok, then put the drive on and the props. A little later I see lube under the drive. Pull the props and it's the inner shaft seal leaking. Sure looks like they didn't pressure test it before putting the lube in. Everything about this project keeps going in the wrong direction. Now get to find out how to get warranty done.

 

[alldodge]

And the saga continues, Just received what Marine Exhaust said was their "flexible" 4 inch exhaust hose, this is as stiff as any hard way stiff hose, no flex to it at all. Then to add a bit more icing they only sent 1 foot. The website indicates that the minimum order is 2 feet and list a price of 50 each. So sounds to me like 50 for 2 feet and 100 for 4 feet and so on. Nope they did me a benefit by only selling me 1 foot.

 

[tpenfield]

Bummer . . . totally a bummer. That's boats for ya . . . You mentioned a warranty . . . are you talking the part or the service???

My boat just went in today and I had my fingers crossed with all of the outdrive and transom work that I did this year. . . so far so good.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

Take it easy AllDodge as stated earlier your work is so meticulous... small imperfections or speed bump's seem as glaring interuptions into your overall goal, be glad its showing up now and not on the water...Have a beer you have a great ride going on there...

 

[alldodge]

are you talking the part or the service???

I have a call into a near by (45 miles) searay dealer. He said yes bring it in

Have a beer you have a great ride going on there

Have been drinking a few more then normal, but it is getting hotter. Now looks like I'll be buying 4 hump couplers.

 

[Scott Danforth]

I will repeat. 4" 5-ply silicone and kevlar turbo hose from your local big diesel service senter. about $25 per foot last time I bought it. good for 550 F sustained (I have had them much higher), comes in Red, Blue, or Black. usually sold in a 4 foot stick. the short flex "hump hose" are about $18 each and will bend to almost a 90 degree. 4-ply is a bit cheaper.

 

[alldodge]

I will repeat. 4" 5-ply silicone and kevlar turbo hose from your local big diesel service senter. about $25 per foot last time I bought it. good for 550 F sustained (I have had them much higher), comes in Red, Blue, or Black. usually sold in a 4 foot stick. the short flex "hump hose" are about $18 each and will bend to almost a 90 degree. 4-ply is a bit cheaper.

Sorry Scott guess I'm a dunce, I'm coming up empty. Have been able to find what your discussing but they are all short pieces of hose. I need something that will fill an 8 inch space and move 1.5 to 2 inches. What is a big diesel service center or better yet do you have a link to where someone is selling what your discussing?

 

[Scott Danforth]

4- ply http://www.purosil.com/product.php?category=turbocharger&id=0

364-400 - available at any Cummins Distributor or Caterpillar and many Cummins and Caterpillar Dealers

3-ply http://www.purosil.com/product.php?category=turbocharger&id=1

63-400 - available at any Cummins or Caterpillar Distributor and many Cummins and Caterpillar Dealers

also on line

http://www.perfectionequipment.com/p/truck-parts/hoses/turbocharger-fiberglass-hose-4
http://www.thehoseshop.com/products/other_manufacturers/purosil

they also have flexible convoluted exterior marine exhaust hose (2-ply, 350 degree)
and straight http://www.purosil.com/product.php?category=marine_products&id=6 (both 4 ply and 6-ply)

http://www.purosil.com/product.php?category=marine_products&id=5

Eaton also makes it as well http://www.eaton.com/ecm/groups/public/@pub/@eaton/@hyd/documents/content/pll_2585.pdf

searching this morning, I can find the common 3-ply and 4-ply, however I can only find 2" to 3" or short sections in the 5-ply.

looking on Ebay for 4-ply silicone hose
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Black-4-1Me...rbo-/261282613107?hash=item3cd5a84773&vxp=mtr

 

[alldodge]

Thanks Scott, I "think" this one stands a chance of working if it can make two bends of about 30 degrees within a 6 to 8 inch span. I'll call Monday and see what I can find out about it and other products on your listing.
http://www.purosil.com/product.php?category=marine_products&id=5

 

[Scott Danforth]

could always use a few elbows
http://purosil.com/product.php?category=marine_products&id=0

or two hump hoses
http://purosil.com/product.php?category=marine_products&id=2

they also have the flat od Flex Hose
http://purosil.com/product.php?category=marine_products&id=4

here is another on-line store
http://www.bayrubber.com/hose_marine_bus_truck.html

 

[Tail_Gunner]

Damm turbo hose good call there I would never have even guessed. The exhaust heat would not scortch that ......hmm its so wet in there how could it.

 

[alldodge]

This is what I need the hose to do, would be an S bend, soft wall would kink. I sent the pic below to CMI for their comment. Well also call the folks in Scotts link tomorrow

 

[alldodge]

Called and emailed Purosil and discussed. Larry Scott said he will get his engineers on it and give me a call back. Also called eddie marine and asked them. EMI indicated my current setup will not work and I should have bought there 3+ system which also dropped back down after the manifolds. The guy offered to take mine back but I had bungs installed so that was a no-go. Another $2600 will get me a new set which will work. Man this black could keeps coming.

Called my local welding shop and ask if they can do some mods for me, they said sure. So unless I hear something tonight I'm taking my elbows to them tomorrow. I was sure after getting my new hump boots and pipe I could make this work, was not going to happen :facepalm: .




What is not working:
Fuel gauge is not working, maybe its a digital sender, don't know
Trim limit is not working
Trim gauge is pegged in the red zone

More to come later

 

[tpenfield]

Boy, that all sounds like way too much 'fun' . . . I would thing the local welder should get you back in business. I hate adjusting trim limits and trim senders . . . it took me 2 hours to do the limits on my outdrives a few weeks back.

Hopefully it will not be too much longer.