87 50HP VRO Evinrude - Could this be my problem?

[FishAtFive]

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[FishAtFive]

It's just a matter of ruling stuff out. I've now ruled out the carbs and entire ignition system. I'm thinking if I can find out the ideal starting RPMs I can test that and rule out the starter and battery. If I squeeze the bulb that doesn't rule out the pump, it could just be compensating for a bunch of different things like poor crankcase pressure, issue with choke solenoid, slow start speed. Unfortunately I only get a small amount of time each week to work on it. I work a full time job, go to night school and have 3 kids, cub scouts, sports, etc.

I've also found that testing on the muffs is useless. I need to fill a tank and test on that, which takes time.

 

[saltchuckmatt]

It's just a matter of ruling stuff out. I've now ruled out the carbs and entire ignition system. I'm thinking if I can find out the ideal starting RPMs I can test that and rule out the starter and battery. If I squeeze the bulb that doesn't rule out the pump, it could just be compensating for a bunch of different things like poor crankcase pressure, issue with choke solenoid, slow start speed. Unfortunately I only get a small amount of time each week to work on it. I work a full time job, go to night school and have 3 kids, cub scouts, sports, etc.

I've also found that testing on the muffs is useless. I need to fill a tank and test on that, which takes time.

Muffs are not useless...and, if you have diaphragm damage to the fuel pump that's the test.

Best of luck to you, your obviously a thinking man but perhaps in this moment your "overthinking"

 

[FishAtFive]

Muffs are not useless...and, if you have diaphragm damage to the fuel pump that's the test.

Best of luck to you, your obviously a thinking man but perhaps in this moment your "overthinking"

The handful of times I thought something was fine in the driveway only to be dissapointed at the ramp tell me otherwise. I'll happily swap 20 minutes of prepping the test tank versus 2 hours back and forth to the ramp. I've taken apart the fuel pump and inspected it awhile ago, one of the first things I did.

 

[Mc Tool]

I've also found that testing on the muffs is useless.

Yep , all the hundreds of thousands of peeps all over the world that use them are just wrong .
They are actually a very handy tool ........but you do have to know how to use them

 

[FishAtFive]

Yep , all the hundreds of thousands of peeps all over the world that use them are just wrong .
They are actually a very handy tool ........but you do have to know how to use them

I use them. Just saying for serious diagnostics that require load similar to that of being in the water, using the muffs can skew the results and leads to false diagnostics. If ya'll going to get nitpicky over every little statement then that's your time to spend, I guess.

 

[saltchuckmatt]

I use them. Just saying for serious diagnostics that require load similar to that of being in the water, using the muffs can skew the results and leads to false diagnostics. If ya'll going to get nitpicky over every little statement then that's your time to spend, I guess.

Look, we all need to take a big breath. What Mc tool is explaining as you can do lots of things on muffs but you can't do everything. A test tank is great but not everybody has one. I do and I have test props to go in it. If you're talking about a barrel full of water that's not a test tank. We all understand that once you put a an outboard on load, now you've got a whole different set of rules.

This is post 67 which is crazy. You diagnosed that your primer function is not working properly. Solve that, andyour golden. Could it be the crank seals?? it's possible but not probable.

 

[racerone]

Post #19 says to check operation of the primer valve.

 

[FishAtFive]

Crank seals are low on my list. When I first got the motor it was literally spraying fuel out of the primer valve it so I replaced with with an Amazon special...but I kept the original. I did not know any better. Before I even mess with it I will see if I can recreate the condition and see what happens when I turn the red valve manually. I might have done that this past weekend but I can't remember. I was just besides myself that I could rule out so many things with that one simple test of unplugging the primer hose, and then I ran out of time. I knew it was at least somewhat working because if I pressed the key while it was running it would accelerate then stall the motor. Getting closer!

 

[FishAtFive]

It looks like I have another part to pull and examine this weekend. The stator tested bad. Going to borrow another meter from a friend to confirm. It doesn't look like something that is likely to be broken, but if it is I have a ton of questions I will need help with. I can see voltage on my fish finder, the highest I've ever seen was 13 volts.

Yellow -> yellow/grey -> 1 ohm
Yellow -> yellow/blue -> .8 ohm

 

[Crosbyman]

Don't assume problems some meters are not overly accurate trying to read such small values. Especially digital meters you can't set meter and probes to 0 ohms with the side dial before actually measuring the suspects.

 

[FishAtFive]

Don't assume problems some meters are not overly accurate trying to read such small values. Especially digital meters you can't set meter and probes to 0 ohms with the side dial before actually measuring the suspects.

Yeah I made a mistake testing the charge coil and replaced that when I did not need to a few months ago. I need to get a simple analog tester that a guy like me can understand.

 

[Mc Tool]

Don't assume problems some meters are not overly accurate trying to read such small values. Especially digital meters you can't set meter and probes to 0 ohms with the side dial before actually measuring the suspects.

Yeah but , Im thinkin of all the guys I have seen that just dont know how to drive a meter to its best advantage , and all the good (ish ) looking meters that turned out to be crap.
Those cheap digital meters will do most home work shop stuff but you have to know how to work around their short comings.......like doing a bit of basic maths if the thing dont zero .
I can recomend a Fluke 179 .

 

[Crosbyman]

get yourself an antique like this one with a 1 ohm full scale with thumwheel adjustment to dead )

it needs an old 30V battery but I wired mine up with 3x 9v ones in series and it fits inside the case, works perfectly.

Vintage Bell System Telephone Volt Ohmmeter KS-14510-L5 W/ Case And Leads | eBay

KS-14510-L5 LEADS AND CASE.

www.ebay.com

 

[FishAtFive]

get yourself an antique like this one with a 1 ohm full scale with thumwheel adjustment to dead)

I have a close friend that frequents estate sales and have put this on my list for him to keep an eye out for.

 

[Crosbyman]

actually to be correct it is a x1 scale but you should be able to estimate a low resistance close enough

 

[saltchuckmatt]

get yourself an antique like this one with a 1 ohm full scale with thumwheel adjustment to dead )

it needs an old 30V battery but I wired mine up with 3x 9v ones in series and it fits inside the case, works perfectly.
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Vintage Bell System Telephone Volt Ohmmeter KS-14510-L5 W/ Case And Leads | eBay

KS-14510-L5 LEADS AND CASE.

www.ebay.com

Yes, everyone on here has these....in fact I have the original 30 volt battery. Tried to recondition it but some goo drip on my finger and now my face is gone!

Yes, Jaques (The Cros) has all the neat stuff.

 

[Crosbyman]

sorry about your face (Cros ??) just get 3 ... 9v batt. connectors from Amazon and hook them up in series to replace the COSTLY 30 v battery

 

[saltchuckmatt]

sorry about your face (Cros ??) just get 3 ... 9v batt. connectors from Amazon and hook them up in series to replace the COSTLY 30 v battery

Not everyone knows your real name and I'm at work so I put in the abbreviated version of "crosbyman"

Battery wise, you already told me how to do it and it's quite genius really.

Now we might want to work on our short term memory!

 

[Crosbyman]

you may want to check your e-mails to me to find the name ! jaques wasclose
I only repeated the 3x9 suggestion thinking you may have forgotten it

Jacques...;-)