Simple winterization process / draining 4.3gl

Lou C

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You know as long as that hose is full of water and your muffs are on tightly and you turn on the water before starting the engine it should be fine, I like to add the dawn because the impeller has been sitting dry all winter.
 

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You know as long as that hose is full of water and your muffs are on tightly and you turn on the water before starting the engine it should be fine, I like to add the dawn because the impeller has been sitting dry all winter.
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Alright, so two more questions…I still have the outdrive off (didn’t get to trying to repair this Winter) and I attached the hose but forgot to put towels in the bellows before turning the water on. Some water got in the bellows and may have gone in the hole …is that a big deal or will it dry out if it did? I used a flashlight but couldn’t see if any got in there.

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Second question, what am I looking for when running the engine to make sure nothing cracked over the winter. Just make sure temp doesn’t get too hot and look for leaks ?
 

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a little spray of water in the shaft hole is not an issue

you want to run the motor up to temperature at an idle with the hose on full blast
 

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a little spray of water in the shaft hole is not an issue

you want to run the motor up to temperature at an idle with the hose on full blast
It may have been more than a little spray cause quite a bit got in the bellows before I turned the hose off…my litte contraption sprays upwards. is rust not a concern because it will dry out ?
 

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It may have been more than a little spray cause quite a bit got in the bellows before I turned the hose off…my litte contraption sprays upwards. is rust not a concern because it will dry out ?
Ayuh,..... No problem,...... Just keep the greasy parts, Greasy,.....

If yer that concerned, wipe things down with a rag,.....
 

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Alright, so two more questions…I still have the outdrive off (didn’t get to trying to repair this Winter) and I attached the hose but forgot to put towels in the bellows before turning the water on. Some water got in the bellows and may have gone in the hole …is that a big deal or will it dry out if it did? I used a flashlight but couldn’t see if any got in there.

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Second question, what am I looking for when running the engine to make sure nothing cracked over the winter. Just make sure temp doesn’t get too hot and look for leaks ?
Look at lower section of exhaust manifolds and engine block for cracks & rust stains and for water in the engine oil. Since I fill mine with PG AF I always verify freeze protection with a refractometer.
 

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I mix my own....cheaper than -100 (-55 freeze protection) 50/50 mix gives you freeze protection down to -26, but can increase it to suit your climate.
Does it help reduce corrosion? 1988 block and intake are original, used in salt water close to 25 years now, 6 month season, moored in the salt, no flush till the end of season. Heads were replaced but due to overheat damage.
I see this as the same as spraying your trailer leaf springs and anything else you don't want to corrode with lanolin based corrosion sprays....they really do slow down the corrosion on previously rusted parts and prevent it on non rusted steel.
 

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Look at lower section of exhaust manifolds and engine block for cracks & rust stains and for water in the engine oil. Since I fill mine with PG AF I always verify freeze protection with a refractometer.
Check for water in the engine oil just on the dipstick? How do you check for that?
 

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It will look milky and the level will be higher than normal, also if you remove the oil cap, inside the valve cover there will be an emulsion that looks like mayonnaise. Here's mine after blown head gaskets. This led to a top engine overhaul in 2017.
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if I choose to use AF…roughly how much would I need? Like 5 gallons? Also, I see some people talking about 50/50 but the label on the West Marine AF -100 says no need to dilute. Safe to just use straight from the jug?
Hey again, you were a lot of help to me winterizing last year Lou. I am unable to find the West Marine AF -100, but have you used this one? Is it a suitable replacement?

 

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That stuff is fine & is likely the same stuff as West Marine’s. If I can’t find the Sierra PG stuff that I mix with water I’d use it myself. So yep use that….
 

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Yes you need to drain out the water first. Or else the stat won’t open & all the AF will go out the exhaust manifolds.this will fill the manifolds but leave the block full of raw water and it will crack when the temp
drops. Plus running in the AF uses more AF than manually filling and also an engine with an engine mounted impeller like the Volvo may not be able to pull in the AF with just a gravity feed. This may burn up the impeller & overheat the engine! So I don’t advise doing it that way.
Start with changing the motor oil & filter & the gear oil in the outdrive. Then run the engine again check for leaks & fog it thru the carb.
The way I’m describing below involves manual draining and manually adding -100 Marine AF, IMHO it’s the safest best way. Adding the AF is optional that’s up to the owner. The basic principle is you must get ALL the raw water out of the engine, manifolds, impeller housing and hoses/coolers.

First lower the outdrive that helps it drain There are drains on each exhaust manifold (aft end or bottom ) and on both sides of the engine block; one is in front of the starter & the other is in front of the oil filter mount. Poke the holes with a pick or similar to make sure they drain.
Next you must disconnect the bottom end of the big hose up front that connects the front circulation pump & the thermostat housing. Next you disconnect the raw water intake hose that comes from the transom and goes to the impeller housing. Hold this down to drain it; I’d also then hold it up and fill it with -100 marine AF till it runs out the water intakes. This pushes any raw water out of that hose & the P/S cooler on the back of the engine.
Next you put the drain plugs back in. Reconnect the raw water intake hose. Reconnect the bottom end of the big hose & disconnect the top end at the stat housing. Now fill that hose with -100 marine AF till is spurts out of the neck of the thermostat housing. Re connect that hose. Next disconnect the feed hoses for the exhaust manifolds at the stat housing. Now fill each manifold with the same AF till it runs out the exhaust housing under the transom mount, then you’re done.. This is the safest way to use AF.
You drain to prevent freeze damage and add AF (optional) to reduce corrosion. After doing this I spray the engine with corrosion X in particular the oil pan, these can rust if it’s a steel pan like you will find on the older 4.3s same with the timing chain cover. Newer 4.3s use an aluminum pan and plastic or alu timing chain cover. If yours is a 99 or a 2000 it’s the newer style, my old 1988 had the steel covers so I spray them with corrosion X. It does work to reduce corrosion.
About antifreeze realize that you want to use marine AF with corrosion inhibitors and that if it gets below about 15-10*F the -50 & -60 will get hard, I would use -100,it’s good to way below zero.I tested -50 & -60 in my freezer at zero and both got hard and IMHO they don’t belong in a cast iron engine if your temps get below 15-10*F.
Hey Lou,

In the Volvo Penta manual it talks about cranking the engine after draining to get water out of the impeller housing. Is that necessary if I am doing the above? Cranking without water makes me nervous.
 

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I am attempting to winterize my VP 4.3GL (1999 or 2000) for the first time by myself. From what I understand, the basics are:

- Lower Unit gear oil change (doesn't apply as I have to repair my lower unit this winter)
- Engine oil change
- Fogging oil
- Opionally run non-toxic anti-freeze through system

Can somebody please help me understand where and how to drain the water out of the system? How many plugs are there? Do I need to drain the water out if I am going to run anti-freeze through the system?

Thanks!
Youtube video will give you a visual. I do not use RV antifreeze it will turn to slush, personally I don't trust something that turns to slush I use real antifreeze.
 

Lou C

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My OMC manual said the same and I felt the same as you. What I do is disconnect the raw water hose at the 'stat housing and fill that hose with -100 (-50 freeze point) marine antifreeze till it runs out the water intakes on the outdrive. Doing this 20+ years and never had a problem.
Yours is different due to the impeller being on the engine but you can do th same thing. First mark the hoses so you don't mix em up. Then disconnect the hose coming from the transom to the impeller housing. Hold it down to drain it and then hold it up and fill it with marine AF, till it runs out the water intakes. This also flushes water out of the P/S cooler on the back of the engine. Next I would disconnect the hose going from the impeller housing to the 'stat housing at the stat housing. Then fill it with marine AF till it runs out of the impeller housing. Reconnect the hose from the transom to the impeller housing, and then keep filling the hose from the impeller housing to the 'stat housing till its full then re-connect.
If you get close to zero *F, do not use -50 or -60, I would use only -100. Those will get hard at about zero, which you do not want in a cast iron engine!
 

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My OMC manual said the same and I felt the same as you. What I do is disconnect the raw water hose at the 'stat housing and fill that hose with -100 (-50 freeze point) marine antifreeze till it runs out the water intakes on the outdrive. Doing this 20+ years and never had a problem.
Yours is different due to the impeller being on the engine but you can do th same thing. First mark the hoses so you don't mix em up. Then disconnect the hose coming from the transom to the impeller housing. Hold it down to drain it and then hold it up and fill it with marine AF, till it runs out the water intakes. This also flushes water out of the P/S cooler on the back of the engine. Next I would disconnect the hose going from the impeller housing to the 'stat housing at the stat housing. Then fill it with marine AF till it runs out of the impeller housing. Reconnect the hose from the transom to the impeller housing, and then keep filling the hose from the impeller housing to the 'stat housing till its full then re-connect.
If you get close to zero *F, do not use -50 or -60, I would use only -100. Those will get hard at about zero, which you do not want in a cast iron engine!
Thank you! Do you happen to know what check valve they are talking about in bullet 3?
 

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Lou C

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That I can’t say, because my OMC Cobra doesn’t have that set up. Why not post a pic of yours?
 
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