And now this!!

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Before I leave for the day I thought I would leave this for people to ponder.<br />Boston church settlement reported <br /> <br />If judge agrees, $85 million would end hundreds of suits <br /> <br /><br />NBC NEWS AND NEWS SERVICES <br /> <br />BOSTON, Sept. 9 — The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Boston agreed Tuesday to pay $85 million to settle more than 500 lawsuits from people who claim that priests abused them, a lead attorney in the cases said. It would be the largest known payout by a U.S. diocese to settle molestation charges. <br /> THE DEAL, which was reached after months of negotiations, must still be approved by Superior Court Judge Constance Sweeney before it is final. Attorneys for all sides were scheduled to meet with Sweeney at 3:30 p.m., NBC News reported.<br /> The settlement, which was first reported by The Associated Press, would mark a major step toward quieting the crisis that has torn at the fabric of America’s fourth-largest archdiocese for nearly two years and spread throughout the country and beyond. <br /> Under the terms of the agreement, victims would receive awards ranging from $80,000 to $300,000, said lawyer Roderick MacLeish Jr., whose firm represents nearly half of the alleged victims. <br /> Parents who filed lawsuits claiming that their children were abused would receive $20,000. Award amounts would be decided by a mediator, based on the type of molestation, the duration of the abuse and the injury suffered. <br /> The $85 million deal comes about a month after the archdiocese put a $55 million offer on the table, leading to intensified talks among a small group of lawyers who were negotiating on behalf of 550 alleged victims. <br /> Many of the final details of the deal were worked out during a closed-door meeting Sunday night among lawyers — attended by Archbishop Sean O’Malley — that went on for hours and into early Monday morning. <br /> “There’s no way that you can possibly compensate people for what has been taken away from them. But this, for some, will be recognition by the archdiocese that terrible, horrific mistakes were made by church leadership, and this is a form of repentance by the church,” MacLeish said. <br /> Advertisement<br /> <br /><br /> <br />BIGGEST PAYOUT EVER<br /> The payouts would represent the largest offer to settle allegations of clergy abuse since the scandal broke in early 2002. In June, the Archdiocese of Louisville, Ky., agreed to pay $25.7 million to 243 people who said they were abused.<br /> A resolution to the suits had been elusive since the scandal exploded in January 2002 with the release of court documents in the case of the Rev. John Geoghan, who was moved from parish to parish despite evidence that he had molested children. <br /> Allegations against dozens of other priests soon came to light, and hundreds of lawsuits were filed against the Boston archdiocese. <br /> Priest personnel files, made public because of the Boston lawsuits, held sordid and shocking allegations: that a priest pulled boys out of religious classes and raped them in a confessional, that another fathered two children and left the children’s mother alone as she overdosed, that another seduced girls studying to become nuns by telling them he was “the second coming of Christ.” <br /> The crisis put every U.S. diocese under new scrutiny. <br /> <br />PRIESTS REMOVED FROM PARISHES<br /> Because of molestation claims, at least 325 of America’s 46,000 priests were removed from duty or resigned in the year after the Geoghan case. Cardinal Bernard Law resigned as archbishop of Boston in December, giving up his post as spiritual leader to 2.1 million Catholics because of his mishandling of abuse cases.<br /> The appointment of his successor, O’Malley, a Capuchin Franciscan friar known for helping other dioceses recover from sex abuse scandals, brought new hope in July. <br /> Former priest John Geoghan<br /> Criminal charges were filed against some priests as a result of the scandal, but Massachusetts Attorney General Thomas Reilly said no church leaders could be charged for supervisory lapses under weak child protection laws in effect at the time. <br /> Reilly, in a report issued in July after a 16-month investigation, estimated that more than 1,000 children were likely victimized by more than 235 priests from 1940 to 2000 as church officials shifted priests from parish to parish, rather than removing them from ministry. <br /> He said the abuse was allowed to continue because of an “institutional acceptance” and a “massive, inexcusable failure” by church leaders to do anything about it. <br /> In September 2002, the Boston archdiocese agreed to a $10 million settlement for 86 victims of Geoghan, who was ousted from the priesthood and sentenced to prison for child molestation. <br /> Geoghan, 68, was killed last month in prison, allegedly by another inmate who authorities say plotted the attack for more than a month. <br /> -----------------------------------------------<br />This should be interesting when I come back to work tomorrow. :D
 

braindead0

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What I gotta wonder is, why in the world does a church have that much money? Shouldn't they be helping the poor instead of building huge financial empires?<br /><br />I'm always amazed at the new churches being built out here, huge shrines to mans greed..
 

mikeandronda

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Braindead I believe that all that money comes from many different Chatholic churches not just one. And yes I too wonder why so many churches have so much gold and buetiful stained glass windows and such and yet there are hungry people right outside there doors. But I do know not all churches are that way. What I cant understand how does any amount of money make what happened better. Offenders should go to jail, those who knew it was happening should go to jail. If anything, the money should be earmarked for those who need counciling since being abused.
 

braindead0

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I should have said 'A Church' being the entire organization, not just a single church..<br /><br />Still, how can they be 'non-profit' and tax exempt with this kinda loot lying around.<br /><br />Agreed, this money isn't going to really help anyone.. Perhaps it'll pay for some time in a psychiatrists chair, but I'd imagine for many of them they have a lifetime of counseling to look forward to.<br /><br />The perps should be brought to justice, and I can't understand why criminal charges aren't being filed. I guess perhaps the statute of limitations has expired on many of them.<br /><br />Come to think of it, remove all statutes of limitations.. I don't understand why somebody that mugged someone 10 years ago shouldn't be held accountable.
 

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I totaly agree with you Braindead. Statue of limitations is a crock and a joke if you ask me. <br />Of course truth in sentancing should also be addressed here. If you were in trouble for a minor misdameaner that happened ten years ago and never got into any more trouble I would hope the people we put in charge ( judges ) are able to rule fairly. I crime like molesting children should never go away, its like saying it didnt happen, But I bet every kid who has been wronged in that way has a different view.
 

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Boy, that brings up a whole big issue.. Judges and how they get there.. Some are appointed, some voted on... Most of them manipulate the outcome by biased jury instructions and denying evidence in cases.<br /><br />I think that in all cases the Jury should be able to overule the judge. Which in some ways is possible via jury nullification but most jurors aren't aware of it.
 

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Yes so true I bet if it was up to a jury of our peers many criminals would have paided the price when instead they go free over a technacality. Now dont get me wrong I would like to think the people in charge have our best intrests ( our meaning the people of America ) in mind when they allow people to get away with hidious crimes because of some stupid reason that has nothing to do with being guilty.It seems to me that polotics play a big part of who does time and who gos free.
 

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You guys should visit South America. The Catholic churches there are gorgious and loaded with gold everything. Outside, nothing but poverty and disease. <br /><br />If the church is going to pay reparations, theyshould start with the Jews. After all, the Catholic church was closely aligned with the Third Reich, and the Pope gave Hitler his blessing. Before that, the Roman Catholic Church was behind the expulsion of the Jews from spain during the Spaninsh Inquisition. The Catholic church has a wild history.
 

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SW - don't go there. To call the Catholic Chruch closely alligned with the Third Reich is untrue, insulting and down right bigoted. I could care less if you hate the Cathlic Church. That is your right. Just don't repeat such biggotted lies unless you want to get into a pissing contest.
 

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So true Soulwinner......I have a very hard time defending anything the Catholic church has done the past as far as I am conserned all Christians regardless of their doctorines suffer because of the pompus, arrogent way the Catholic church handles itself and some of the terrable things it has done or supported in the past. I dont like to attack anybodys religion but what I can say it seems that a lot of people believe the Catholic church represents all Christains. They (offending priests and those that hid their crimes) need to be treated as any other person guilty of the crimes the have commited. If I was accused of the same crime I would have to go to court and face justice no matter how much money I offered, Unless I was Micheal Jackson or a Chathlic priest. :D
 

Ralph 123

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man the Catholic biggotry in the rest of the country is very strong! Wow! Funnt thing is I doubt many of you Catholic biggots know the first thing about the Cathloic church or where the protestant churches came from and why they even exist today. Get a clue people. Stop picking fights with your own and stick to the real enemies. No wonder why christians make no headway, we can stop fighting the protestant revolution! Here's a clue, in this country, it doesn't matter! If you are a king trying to divorce or buy absolution then it's an issue.<br /><br />Why don't you take a minute, read a little history and check on the works of the Catholic church around the globe for people of all faiths for the last 2,000 years.
 

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Ralph correct me if im wrong ( this would not be the first time ) The pope went as far as publicly appoligizing to the jews for knowing about the holocaust and yet doing nothing. I know nothing of a former pope giving his blessing to hitler, it may or may not of happened. I believe that reguardless of the doctorines that Catholics believe that I personally dont, doesnt mean they cant be Christians. I do believe that many of the things they do are allowed and looked over because they( Chathlic leaders) and their followers believe that they are riotious/sp? in whatever they do.
 

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Let me answer your question with a question. How many Catholics were killed in German Concentration camps Vs the number of protestants? How many Protestant leaders stood up to Hitler at the time (a Protestant nation Germany was people)<br /><br />Hitler too was a anti-catholic, just one notch above the Jews and Gipsees.<br /><br />Get a clue. You too SW
 

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And Ralph you are right in saying we need to stick together. I try not sound like a bigot but I truley believe ( I hope im proved wrong someday) that just because your Catholic that it does not mean you are living a Christian life. Catholic does not = Christian. On the other hand there are very strong, walking the walk Christians who are part of the Catholic church.
 

Ralph 123

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What ever pal. The minor difference between Catholics and protestants are so insignificant they don't concern me. The problem with the FAR RIGHT christians is the obviously secretly believe they should be the only group alive. They are willing to attack Catholics for minor differences? Get a clue. No wonder the secularlists are winning. You people make sure we stay divided
 

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By the way Ralph I appologize if I have offened you but the point I am tring to make is because the Catholic church (leaders) is so powerful they do not and are not facing the same justice the common man here in America would. The whole Hitler thing is well not any more the catholics fault then it the rest of the world that no doubt had a clue that was going on and did nothing to stop it.
 

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The one thing I'll never figure out is why catholic(sp) priests are not allowed to marry? Would'nt that solve like at least 70 percent of the problem? 95% or better guys like girls(Adam and Eve) I may be clueless on this subject, but it seems like a natural solution. They like to have fun, just like the rest of us.(sorry girls, just telling it like I see it) PDS.
 

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First of all Ralph I resent the whole prostants vs. the Chatholic remark . I may be part of a church pentacostal/protstant but if some asks me what religion I am I say Im CHRISTIAN and thats that. once again sorry if anything here offended you. It was not intended and you bring up good points but back to post subject money should not buy freedom to guilty people because of any group they belong to.
 

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Ralph, Thanks for showing your true colors, I never would have you were name calling person like PW or mellowyellow. Check the facts befoe you accuse me of ANYTHING. I may be wrong, but I don't hate the Catholic church, as screwed up and idolotrous as they are, I don't hate anybody. I'm a Christian, remember? Or don't you know what the word means??<br /><br />Lets start with 15th century Spain. In 1492 Queen Isabella sought to purify the Spanish aristocracy, and issued an Edict fof Expulsion. All Jews who were willing to convert to Roman Catholic church were allowed to stay, all others were forced upon penalty of death to leave. John Phillips stated "not until the coming Hitler did the Jews suffer such widespread persecution as they in Spain. The decline and fall of the Spanish Empire can be dated from the time that Spain expelled al it's Jews." Quoted from "Exploring the World of the Jew" John Phillips, Moody Press, 1988 Pg. 128.<br /><br />Lets move on to England. England had several periodes of Jewish oppression in it's long history, but I'll start with the White Paper Policy. This policy barred Jews fleeing the Holocaust from entering the territory now know as Israel, which at the time was under British occupational rule. By force, the British captured Jews who had escaped to Israel and sent them back to Europe to die. With limited arms and unflagging spirit the Jews of Palestinefought the British to prevent the certain death of fellow Jews. The Irgun, a Jewish resistance group led by Menachem Begin fought the Brits in battles that led to a stalemate. In 1947 Great Britan's ambassador to the United Nations voted against Israel becoming a state. When Israel achieved statehood despite the British veto, it has been reported that British officers led the Arab armies in an all out military attack on the new nation.<br /><br />Now on to the Catholic Church. Historically anti-semetic? Sure! Pope Gelasius I (A.D. 492-96) philosophized: "In the Bible the whole is often named after the part; as Judas was called a Devil and the Devil's workman, he gives his name to the whole race." Apparently he didn't realize that Jesus was a Jew, and a Rabbi at that. And Mary, the contemporary centerpiece of Catholic idolotry, was a Jew. Hmmmmm, maybe this Pope was just confussed. Desiderius Erasmus, an ordained Roman Catholic Priest and one of the leading figures durin the Renaissance once stated,"If to hate the Jews is to be a good Christian, we are all good Christians." Wow, sounds like the beginnings to a cozy relationship between the Third Reich and the Roman Coatholic Church to me. Maybe it's a cultural thing dating back to the Roman Empire. Consider this story. It is said that a Jew passed in front of Hadrian and greeted him. The asked "Who are you?"<br />The man answered, "I am Jew."<br />"How dare a Jew pass in front of Hadrian and greet him? Off with his head!"<br />Moments later another Jew who had not seen this exchange passed in front of the emperor and did NOT greet him. Hadrian called out "Who are you?"<br />The man answered "I am a Jew."<br />"How dare a Jew pass in front of Hadrian without giving a greeting. Off with his head!"<br />The senators didn't understand this strange behavior and asked Hadrian why he had the two killed, one for greeting him, one for not greeting him, he said "Do you dare advise me how I am to deal with those I hate?"<br />The church's earliest historian, Eusebius of Caesarea, declared his intention in "Church History" "to recount the misfortunes which immediately came upon the whole Jewish nation in consequence of thier plots against the Savior." This stance on the Jews was entoned throughout the early Catholic church. Saint Gregory of Nyssa preached the following from his pulpit: "Slayers of the Lord, murderers of the prophets, adversaries of God, haters of God, men who show contempt for the law, foes of grace, enemies of their fathers faith, advocates for the Devil, brood of vipers, slanderers, scoffers, men whose minds are in darkness, sinners, wicked men, stoners and haters of righteousness." From Malcolm Hay, "The Roots of Christian Anti-Semitism" (USA: Anti Defamation Leagueof B'nai B'rith and Alice Ivy Hay, 1981).<br />Saint John Chrysostom (A.D. 345-407)used to be considered classic Roman Catholic reading. He wrote that he hated the Jews because of their "odious assassination of Christ" For this he said "There is expiation possible, no indulgence, no pardon.....God Hates the Jews and always hated the Jews....I hate the Jews also because they outrage the law" From Chrysostom, Homily 6:2, 6:4, 1:7, and 6:6. Apparently this Saint never read the Old Testament :confused: <br />Then there is the Council of Clermont and Pope Urban who explained to participants in the first crusade that it was good for them kill, rape and pilage the Jews because of their past sins. Within a three month periode during the first crusade, baked by the Roman Catholic Church, 12,000 Jews were slaughtered in Germany by crusaders who chanted "The Jews have killed our savior. They must convert or be killed" For more ancient historical anti-semite church behavior, look up the Fourth Lateran Council, Pope Innocent III.<br />Could it be that these historic church policies helped shape the Third Reich? Hitler WAS Roman Catholic. When Adolf Hitler signed the Concordant with the Roman Catholic Church he said "I am only continuing the work of the Catholic Church."Quoted from: Dagobert Runes, "The War Against the Jew" (New York: Philosophical Library, 1968, ) Pg. 114.<br /><br />The Holocaust did not begin with Hitler lining up the Jews outside gas chambers. It began with religious leaders sowing the seeds of hatered toward the Jews. <br />"I am convinced" wrote Pierre van Passen,"that Hitler niether could nor would have done to the Jewish people what he has done....if we had not actively prepared the way for him by our own unfriendly attitude to the Jews, by our selfishness and by the anti-Semetic teaching in our churches and schools." Quoted from Malcolm Hay, op. cit. pg. 11.<br />Further connections between Hitler and the Roman Catholic church:Special votive masses were conducted throughout European Catholic churches celebrating Hitlers 50th birthday. Cardinal Innitzer of Vienna pledged his loyalty to the Third Reich and asked Austrians to jion Hitler in his "holy cause." Thanks to his close relationship with the Catholic church, he proclaimed in many of his speaches, "I'm doing the will of God."<br />After more than fiftey years following the allies liberation of the Jews from Aushwitz, not one word of offical condemnation or excommunication concerning Hitler has been expressed by the Vatican. Why, because 6 million people were murdered by Baptized Christians in good standing with the church. Why, the Vicar of Christ himself whitnessed helpless Jews being loaded into trucks for transport to the Nazi death camps. On July 20, 1933 as Hitler signed the Concordant of Collaboration with the Vatican, he said "I am only continuing the work of the Catholic Church, to isolate the Jews and fight their influence."<br /><br />Why does any of this matter? God blesses those who bless Israel, and curses those who curse Israel Gen. 12:3.<br /><br />If you think I'm making this stuff up, go ahead and research the facts presented here. Please, prove me wrong. I would love it if this information were not correct, but sadly, it is. If you don't like it, don't get mad at me, get mad at history. Have a nice day :)
 

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BTW ralph, after I posted the above I went back and read your pissing contest with Mikeandronda. Well, sorry to smash your futile attempt to lie about how great the Catholic church is. After seeing the way I have handled PW and MY, you should have known better than to come to a gun with a butter knife. :)
 
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