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[mikeandronda]

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Ralph correct me if im wrong but when you are refering to SW's followers you are meaning me. If so please show me were I insulted you and in any way wronged you personaly. And I cant for the life of me find anywhere that SW insults you personaly as well. you on the other hand with your statement and name calling like ummmm.... "moron" seem to be looking for a inflamitory argument. If SW is wrong about the stuff he wrote as being fact then show your proof as he shows his in nameing his resorses. You are taking this awfully personaly when the post is about child molesting preist paying off people to get away with there crimes. As for bassmans comments about the moneys that the church has compared to the tv evangilists its nonsense the earlier point is every church should worry more about helping people than having nice stuff to look at.

 

[Ralph 123]

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mikeandronda, this isn't about you. It is about somebody I know should know better.<br /><br />This quickly became not about the original post but about this:<br /><br />

the Catholic church was closely aligned with the Third Reich

 

[mikeandronda]

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Ok cool Ralph....you know guys Im sittin here going ok here is a few Christians who probably are all really great guys, begining to look at each other as enemies cuz of a bunch of crap in the past and it hits me this is not how we should be acting towords eachother. Debating great and i will tell you I have learned alot from many a debate on this board but to make enemies with each other is counterproductive.

 

[SoulWinner]

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Oh, now I'm a morron too. Very good. You don't know history, not even the history of your own screwed-up church, and you don't know how to be civil. Well do me favor and part company Mr.Almost 1000 Posts. Like I said, and I'll say it louder this time, maybe you'll get it:<br /><br />IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE HISTORY OR THE FACTS, DON'T GET MAD AT ME AND CALL NAMES, GET MAD AT HISTORY AND CALL IT NAMES.<br /><br />Moron, thats funney. I'm the moron and you don't know that Hitler was Catholic?!?! Not to be an azz, but why complain about the mote in your brothers eye when you have rod in yours?<br /><br />Thanks for the laugh Ralph. One of best friends is Catholic, and he's sitting here getting a real out of you guys.<br />

 

[Ralph 123]

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to claim:<br />

the Catholic church was closely aligned with the Third Reich

is ignorant, inflamatory and bigotted. It's like telling a Jew the holocost never happened.

 

[SoulWinner]

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BTW Ralph, it migh help your argument if you stopped with the inflamatory name calling and maybe tried using some documented facts to make your case. Just trying to help. Also, I am ashamed that you took my post with appology and used it as another personal attack on me. Not cool, but still amusing

 

[SoulWinner]

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And P.S.,<br />I even listed some of my resources there, what more do you want? Andwhy are you attacking me personally? What did I do to you?

 

[Ralph 123]

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the history of your own screwed-up church

Ahh yes, that's love for ya! Nice true colors flapping in the wind. CHECKMATE?<br /><br />What's your "Catholic" friend have to say about that one?<br /><br />Oh I love everybody.... ya right.

 

[Ralph 123]

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Did you edit that SW? Why. You said it. You meant it put it back. Come on be a man, stand up for what you belive in. It's ok.

 

[SoulWinner]

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No Ralph, I didn't edit it, I'm not going to, why should I, it's true. Jim, my catholic buddy doesn't know why you are freaking out, but we are both as amused as we are puzzled. I tell you what Raplh, why don't you leave this alone for now and cool off. We'll talk later when we can see this in a different light, ok?

 

[Ralph 123]

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Well if your ol buddy Jim does not see why accusing the catholic church of being closely associated with the Third Reich is an issue I have to question his sanity.<br /><br />Frankly, my "butter knife" found its target. I think objective readers now have a good sense of where you really stand.<br /><br />As for my opinion, I am sorry I ever backed you up as I have on several occassions. I guess that is what I am really POd about. You are no better than the people you curse.

 

[SoulWinner]

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Who am I curseing? YOU are the one attackig ME?!?! And why are you sorry for agreeing with me on topics that we agree on? That sounds unreasonable.<br /><br />I made a statement, you attacked me. I backed up my statement with documented historical facts, and you attack me more. What gives. I said that I hope I am wrong, and ask you prove me wrong, but you just make more personal attacks. That doesn't help your butter knife here, I think you totally miss the point that I tried desperately to make; I'm not attacking anything or anybody. The church has a screwed up past, so the does the Jewish religion. Moses had to put with a lot of crap off the seed of abraham when they were in the wilderness! So did God! But in the end God still loved them and led them into the promised land, so why can't we mend this rift between us? Tell me what I have to do and I will for the sake what I deam a worth while acquantance/friendship. If you want me to say it was innappropriate to mention what my evidence leads me to believe regarding the history of the RCC, OK, I admit it was not appropriate and I regret haveing brought it up. I appologize for getting mean spirited toward you. I have respect for you and would to see this end peaceably between us.

 

[Ralph 123]

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Unfortuantely SW I have lost respect for you. You are not the person I thought you were and that's what got me POd. I don;t get skookered too often and I get mad whn I am. <br /><br />I asked you not to pick this fight but you charged head on into it. You wanted this pissing contest and you go it.

 

[SoulWinner]

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And you lost and now you look like a fool. Sorry Ralph, I hoped that you more of a man than that

 

[Ralph 123]

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Man you are one arrogant, egocentric person. I simply showed you for what you truly are.

 

[SoulWinner]

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Goodnight Ralph. Maybe you'll feel better in the morning.

 

[Ralph 123]

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I can't let the "Hitler was a Catholic" comment go unasnwered:<br /><br />

In his eyes Christianity was a religion fit only for slaves; he detested its ethics in particular. Its teachings, he declared, was a rebellion against the natural law of selection by struggle and survival of the fittest... Once the war was over he promised himself he would root out and destroy the influences of the Christian churches. 'The evil that is gnawing at our vitals,' He remarked in Feb 1942, 'is our priests of both creeds... The time will come when I will settle my account with them... they'll hear from me all right'

-- Hitler a study in Tyranny Pg 391<br /><br />Some Catholic there SW. Some Catholic. Yup, there was a close association between the two. So close in fact, he could hardly wait to destroy it.

 

[Skinnywater]

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So, how am I a "Hater"? Is it because I am aware of the well documented links between the RCC and the Third Reich? It's just knowledge man, get over. Better yet, open a book and get some for your self.

I don't know about being a "hater". <br />It was unseemly for a "soulwinner" for sure. I reread the entire thread and thought you had a great desire in shoving the faults and failures of his religion down his throat.<br /><br />Copy this thread in its unedited entirety and show it to your elder/pastor. I'd think it would provide additional insight.

 

[Ralph 123]

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Desiderius Erasmus, an ordained Roman Catholic Priest and one of the leading figures durin the Renaissance once stated,"If to hate the Jews is to be a good Christian, we are all good Christians." Wow, sounds like the beginnings to a cozy relationship between the Third Reich and the Roman Coatholic Church to me.

So a priest during the Renaissance is proof of a "close association with the Thrid Reich?" Are you ok? Next time you want to fight with me bring your brain!<br /><br />There have been antisemetic christians of all creeds since the beginning. I guess by your perveted logic, every christian was closely associated with the Third Reich. Since you quoted the White Paper Policy of England, I guess that makes the ANglican chirch closely associated with the Third Reich too. Soul Winner indeed! You should change your name to BrainSeeker Skipper of the Truly Clueless. If you're winning souls I have to wonder for whom.<br /><br />You're not even 10% as smart as you think you are. What kind of reasonable person backs up a statement like that with quotes from individuals that date back centuries?

 

[mellowyellow]

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"SW - don't go there. To call the Catholic Chruch closely alligned with the Third Reich is untrue, insulting and down right bigoted. I could care less if you hate the Cathlic Church. That is your right. Just don't repeat such biggotted lies unless you want to get into a pissing contest."<br /><br />Ralph, it's EXACTLY what he does want...he is a windbag who likes to hear himslef talk. <br />we can all see him for what he truly is!<br /><br />"After seeing the way I have handled PW and MY, you should have known better than to come to a gun with a butter knife."<br /><br />SW, u r truly a legend in your own mind!