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Definitely don't get a new boat biggest waste of money that you will never see again. you don't need to have a boat right away give it a while maybe even a year. until you find one thats perfect. Get the exact used boat you want. but you have to give it some time for the right boat to pop up.
 

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Thanks sbl, I am really trying to be patient, I don't want to wait that long though, and I'd be really irritated if I miss the season but I also don't want to settle for something...
 
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ya i rushed it for my first two boat. the first one was a zodiac that need a new floor and i got it done for free then it took on small water from the drain hole and scared me and i sold it and with in a month i had a new one and i love it at first and then kinda wanted a new one but i'm sticking with what i got and just going to improve the heck out of it. you will probably buy your first boat and then realize what you hate about it and what you love about in and will probably have a new one in a year or two.
 

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Definitely don't get a new boat biggest waste of money that you will never see again. you don't need to have a boat right away give it a while maybe even a year. until you find one thats perfect. Get the exact used boat you want. but you have to give it some time for the right boat to pop up.

That could be a very niave and nearsighted approach to boat ownership. Finding that "perfect" boat is a myth. Sure, there are "deals" to be found, but they are few and far between. And when you do find them, often times the previous owner forgot to admit all the things wrong with it.

If you have only a few bucks to spend, then second hand may be your only choice. But, if you are willing to invest enough money to get something decent that will last a few years, CU loans on new boats are always more favorable vs. used stuff.

With a used boat, you can be sure that right off the bat you'll need to double your investment to get it into running condition, maybe not even pristine, and chances are the deck and stringers will need to be replaced as well. You'll have equipment like depth finders that you won't like, holes in the dashboard from old parts that were taken off, and you'll need to invest even more capital for canvas, covers and acesssories that you didn't get.

A new boat can be customized to your needs. Don't have the capital? Wait and add things as you can. YOU can drill the holes to suit your boating style. You'll get a warranty and you'll know exactly when it was serviced and how.

If you do your homework and actually know what you need and want, you'll make the right decision in the first place. There is no such thing as depreciation when it comes to toys that are not necessities. What people call "depreciation" is really the extra cost you pay for a brand new, unmolested boat. The personal "Value" is priceless! If you truly are a boater and bought the right one in the first place, and keep the boat for a long time, the cost of the depreciation will be amortized over so many years that the cost will be insignificant!

Now. many of us like challenges and seek out old boats for restoration. That's a personal pride thing in itself. But if you're only in it for the weekend boatride, that may not be your cup of tea either.

I've only owned new boats as my "daily cruiser", and I ended up selling them for more than I paid after owning them for 15+ years. The "antique" I currently own was restored and it has appreciated more by comparison, but that's not everybody's boat either because its a labor of love not your everyday fishing boat.

My current family boat was bought brand new and it is now 27 years old. Just this year I had to have it appraised again for my insurance company so I have a good idea of its current value. It has been well maintained and needs nothing. Good maintenance and taking good care of it has attributed to its longevity, and the fact that no major repairs have ever been needed. If I bought a new one today, the replacement cost would be in the neighborhood of $33000. If I sold mine at the appraised value, my annual cost of ownership (not including gas, spark plugs, tune ups, etc) would be only about $250 per year. Knot too shabby for a new boat, huh?
 

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ya i rushed it for my first two boat. the first one was a zodiac that need a new floor and i got it done for free then it took on small water from the drain hole and scared me and i sold it and with in a month i had a new one and i love it at first and then kinda wanted a new one but i'm sticking with what i got and just going to improve the heck out of it. you will probably buy your first boat and then realize what you hate about it and what you love about in and will probably have a new one in a year or two.

You are 15 years old and in my book that does not add up to a plethora of experience! You are still hovering at the neophyte level but, you are learning. Perhaps upon entering the work force and learning to deal with a household budget your input will then be a bit more valid.
 
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i got a job how you think i pay for every thing i got. i bills and stuff to pay how do you think the snow blower gets fixed and gets gas or when i need some thing fix to cut the grass on side of working in a restaurant after school.
 

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i got a job how you think i pay for every thing i got. i bills and stuff to pay how do you think the snow blower gets fixed and gets gas or when i need some thing fix to cut the grass on side of working in a restaurant after school.

Boating isn't a poor man's hobby. In fact, LIFE isn't for poor men either. The smart ones among us work harder at our studies than at our part time jobs so that we can get good enough grades to get into a good college. Then, we work our butts off in college so we can get a good job. Or, I should say "profession". Then, and only then can we afford the better things in life!
 

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i got a job how you think i pay for every thing i got. i bills and stuff to pay how do you think the snow blower gets fixed and gets gas or when i need some thing fix to cut the grass on side of working in a restaurant after school.

Did you read what I had posted? You are not qualified to give buying advice. Do you think you are the first 15 year old who has done odd jobs? Did you have to file the long or short form this year?

You are qualified to give advice to your peers.
 

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Boating isn't a poor man's hobby. In fact, LIFE isn't for poor men either. The smart ones among us work harder at our studies than at our part time jobs so that we can get good enough grades to get into a good college. Then, we work our butts off in college so we can get a good job. Or, I should say "profession". Then, and only then can we afford the better things in life!

Life just sucks in general, that's why there's boating and that's one of the reasons I want one so badly, when I'm out there, it's all about no worries, just relaxation :D I do appreciate your input Jim, I'm still on the fence, just going to be patient and see whats available when the weather breaks as with new boats, there's only 8 manufacturers with cuddy's in my size range, although I do like the "peace of mind" that I would be the only owner and I'd know what happens to it. Seems like they just keep making them bigger and heavier lol
 
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agreed with thezeeman thats right about boating no worries just relaxing and fun
 

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I think there's a time and a place for a new boat (although I'll probably never see that time or place :p) but I don't think for your first one that's it. As mentioned, you may very well find out that the boat you bought isn't the one you really want. With a new boat you will get KILLED on depreciation if you try to trade it after a few seasons. With a used boat you shouldn't have much of a problem. My first boat was a 16' closed bow. I realized pretty quickly that the closed bow was a waste of space and wanted a bigger one. I liked everything else about the hull though which is why my new one is very similar but in a different configuration. You could very well find that you never use the cuddy and/or make a bunch of friends you want take out with you all the time and now maybe a larger sport bowrider or deck boat is what you want. Who knows!
 

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Well said ez. I think I will wait. I also originally only wanted to spend 10k, but since the bank is giving me more, there will be more for me to look at. Do dealers typically haggle with you like car dealers because I can't see these prices like 14,995 being the lowest they will go. Do I also need to consider that when the boat buying season starts I'm going to be paying top dollar and I might not be able to haggle? Trying to take in all the factors. Thanks guys!
 

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Life just sucks in general,

That is very debatable!

In recent years I have worked on job sites with a number of foreigners. The Europeans are stuck with waters that are so polluted you wouldn't even think of fishing in them, let alone swim. The Mexicans are here just to earn money for the family. They can't even own a car much less the luxury of a $200 boat. On $6 a day, the Chinese can hardly afford anything!

Sure, we have poor in the US as well, and some are now out of work, but the other 90% of us have jobs, a house, a car and many even have a boat. I grew up with only my Dad's rowboat, but there has never been a time in my life we didn't have a boat and the ability to go out on the river, relax and let the tension melt away.

You're right about the reasons for boating, but Life Is Good!
 

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Do I also need to consider that when the boat buying season starts I'm going to be paying top dollar and I might not be able to haggle? Trying to take in all the factors. Thanks guys!

Dude, you live in DETROIT. I kinda doubt boats are flying off the shelves. I'd leave 'em a nice offer and walk. Your phone will ring.
 

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LOL Ok that's what I thinking. Then I see all these people on the roads, like christmas was the worst, and I'm like, if we have the highest unemployment rate, why are all of these people shopping! Then I remembered oh yeah I help pay for their unemployment :p

But yeah I can't see too many people getting a boat. I don't know though, every dealer I been in had people in there looking for boats and a guy I met at a party is planning on getting a Baja unless these are the people (like someone mentioned earlier) that just say I want a boat and never actually get one.
 

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Hey guys,

Back at it again...looking for some more opinions. I've been reviewing michigan's boaters education material so I can take the test and they mentioned some things that made me start thinking. My one buddy has a jet boat and he was trying to talk me into one and I didn't understand why, but now that I realized things like running aground, props getting damaged, launching/retrieving/etc are a reality, I'm really considering a jet boat. I understand why he was pushing one on me, they seem all around a better choice for first timers IMO. I don't care for the ones the ones that look like regular jet boats, but I really like the ones that resemble a bowrider, like the Yamaha's 2003 and up SR/SX230's, and the Sea Doo's Islandia's 2000 and up...any of you guys have any wisdom for me? :D
 

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Hey guys,

Still around...I know I went a total different route, but I feel somewhat comfortable...I ended up buying a new yamaha ar210...crazy path I took I know, but I thank you guys for all the help, it definitely helped while I was deciding. I still am somewhat nervous about towing it, I thought I had a 5500lb max, it's only 5000lbs. The boat fully loaded on trailer and gas'd with accessories is about 4500lbs, it does have a tandem axle and trailer brakes, but I still am nervous...
 

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Naw its ok were happy to waste our time giving a noob useless information(I'm trying to give you a guilt trip is it working??)

Who cares Zee were just happy your in a boat and your happy, thats whats most important:D

However you still have to post pics or we hang you
 

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LOL I do feel guilty, you guys helped me so much. I will definitely post pics, I'm keeping it at the dealer for right now until the weather breaks, and my buddy who has a ram is going with me because it's like an hour away and I don't think towing on the freeway as a first is a good idea, so once we get it back I'm going to go to an empty parking lot and practice and get a feel for it, it might take me a few to get it on the water but I will get there eventually lol
 

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Hey guys, been awhile, but I brought it home today. I am super excited for this damn weather to warm up :)

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