Another newbie thread...

TheZeeMan

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Ok went and looked at it. I think its too much for me to handle, in words of repairs. The pictures don't show a lot. On the outside passenger side rear corner, they banged it up a lot, it's scratched and there's one part in the middle of all the 50 scratches, where the actual coating is rubbed off and the fiberglass is showing. I have no idea how to repair that. In the cabin, there's like that carpet material around the windows, and on the passenger side side of it, it's all ripped off. On the dash I guess you would call it, above the door to the cabin, its a hard plastic, it looks like it was just baked in the sun, it's all cracked and that whole thing would need to be repaired. The swim ladder is broken and then there's plastic vents on the outside of the boat, I don't know what they are for, but they are broken so there basically open holes and I don't know what got it in there. There was frozen water, a little bit, not a ton, in the bilge area (I think that's what it was lol) I opened the 2 doors on each side of the engine and looked in there. The trailer is all rusted and it needs new tires, more or less I think it needs a new trailer altogether. Unfortunately I didn't take anyone with me to assist but just from initial inspection I didn't feel comfortable about it. I'm guessing once it went into repo status the owners didn't care about it either, so I don't think its the right boat for me. Any opinions?
 

ezmobee

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Yeah that sounds like a project boat to me.
 

TheZeeMan

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Thanks ez, the search continues on. I'm going to have buy you guys beers for all the help! :D
 

mnewb1

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I might be selling a 23 foot Sportcraft Fishmaster walk abound cuddy this Spring to move up to a bigger boat. I haven't decided yet, but I am over on the West side of the state
 

TheZeeMan

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Thanks mnewb, but I think we're sticking locally only because I'm a pain in the butt buyer and have to see something several times so I probably wouldn't make the trip that many times.

On another note guys, is a boat with a warranty good or is it hiding something like a major repair done with the boat? I'm considering smaller if the warranty means something...unless the 2-4 feet bigger makes a big or noticeable difference?

http://www.lakecrestmarineboats.com...5403X2K20K2011J12I41I26JAMQ5447R0&veh=1983308
 

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Thanks mnewb, but I think we're sticking locally only because I'm a pain in the butt buyer and have to see something several times so I probably wouldn't make the trip that many times.

On another note guys, is a boat with a warranty good or is it hiding something like a major repair done with the boat? I'm considering smaller if the warranty means something...unless the 2-4 feet bigger makes a big or noticeable difference?

http://www.lakecrestmarineboats.com...5403X2K20K2011J12I41I26JAMQ5447R0&veh=1983308

No problem, I certainly tried to stay local when I was looking for a boat. This was new to me, and I was nervous about pulling it home a few miles, let alone across the state.
 

ezmobee

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A warranty is often available on boats sold by a dealer so I wouldn't think that was "hiding something". 2-4' makes a huge difference on a boat. Why do you think they call it 2-foot-itis (the disease all boat owners get when they want to upgrade)? :p That being said, I think that looks like an exceptionally well maintained boat and could be a great boat for you to start out with. I'd want a test drive though to make sure that 3.0 isn't inadequate power. A 3.0 in a 19' would typically be considered underpowered, but Bayliners are light so it may be fine.
 

TheZeeMan

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LOL Ok I already have want-it-now-itis, I don't need 2 diseases...I want the reason for 2-foot-itis to be because of my vehicle so I'm going to try to be really patient now :p
 

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LOL Definitely don't want OMC! There's another place by me that does bidding...has anyone had luck with these? This one looks like a potential...I'm going to call them tomorrow to get more details.

http://www.harrisonmarine.com/boat_rpt.cfm?BOID=962

IMO.... I think that boat is out of your towing range. You also need to think of your familys safety in this purchase. You have a Dodge Nitro right? I have seen way to many accidents on my way to the lake/river with serious injurys from someone pulling a boat they never should have hooked to there vehicle. Trailer brakes are a must but all crashes arent while stopping. A large heavy boat can push you straight thru a corner (wet roads) in a coast before you know it or have time to hit the brakes. Altough I do believe you can find what you want, but I am with some of the other members saying a 20' would be perfect for a newbie and your situation.Keep in mind alot of your 20-22' boats have V6 merc. (Saves weight) and still plenty of power. I have a 22' Regal Cuddy with a V6 and have pulled skiers, wakeboard's, and tubes. Just alittle insight from my point of view.. Good luck man and happy boating, it's a wonderful family experience!!!!
 

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Zee, that boat looks like it may work but like ezmobee said I am worried about the size motor, you could up power but probably better to keep looking, I would not shy from any warranties if the dealer wants to put his name on the boat god bless him.
 

jamiemac74

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Thanks mnewb, but I think we're sticking locally only because I'm a pain in the butt buyer and have to see something several times so I probably wouldn't make the trip that many times.

On another note guys, is a boat with a warranty good or is it hiding something like a major repair done with the boat? I'm considering smaller if the warranty means something...unless the 2-4 feet bigger makes a big or noticeable difference?

http://www.lakecrestmarineboats.com...5403X2K20K2011J12I41I26JAMQ5447R0&veh=1983308

A friend of mine has a 19' Bayliner with the 4cyl. His is a Bowrider though, It is a lighter boat does seem to run OK, he pulls wakeboard, skiers, and tubes. Although when I sit in the boat the hull seems really shallow to me and small. Although I think that one is alittle over priced (IMO). It does look like its really clean and taken care of. How many hrs are on it???
 

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Have you looked at any of the Rinker boats???? They normally have some nice boats that are reasonably priced . I have seen many of those around.I have worked on a few of them they seem to be made well.

http://www.rinkerboats.com/
 

TheZeeMan

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Thanks for all the input Jamie, much appreciated. I haven't seen any rinker cuddy's available for sale yet, but I have seen their cruisers and they are really nice. I do agree with the towing, I've never towed before so I honestly have no idea what I'm getting into :) I really think 21' is the golden ticket for me. I'm taking the wife to a boat dealer tomorrow to show her a 21' cuddy, although I'm not really interested in the boat, but to show her the size and that right now I don't think we should get anything bigger.
 

jamiemac74

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Thanks for all the input Jamie, much appreciated. I haven't seen any rinker cuddy's available for sale yet, but I have seen their cruisers and they are really nice. I do agree with the towing, I've never towed before so I honestly have no idea what I'm getting into :) I really think 21' is the golden ticket for me. I'm taking the wife to a boat dealer tomorrow to show her a 21' cuddy, although I'm not really interested in the boat, but to show her the size and that right now I don't think we should get anything bigger.

Hey man anytime!!! I hoped you wouldnt take my first post offensive, I didn't mean it to be. I think your right a 21' might be your magic #. Rinker, Regal, Crownline, Sea Ray, Glastron, Four Winns, Cobalt, Chaparal, and Stingray are all great boats. I'm sure I missed a few. IMO... I dont really care for Bayliners. They do seam to beat you to death. Best Of Luck, What you want is outthere waiting on you... U just have to find it...LOL
 

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For those still interested :) I took the wife, she is ok with a 21. They also had a 19' there...19 definitely gave me 2-foot-itis, I felt kind of cramped with just her and me on it, so I'm going to go for a 21-22, 23 at most if it doesn't break my weight limit. Now the only problem is this weather, it needs to warm up quick so I can buy a boat and get rid of want-it-now-itis lol
 

LippCJ7

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HA LOL Good luck with that! If you got that kinda pull with mother nature we need to talk buddy!!
 

TheZeeMan

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LOL Thanks Lipp. I wish I did!

Ok guys, I have a new dilemma, not necessarily a bad one. I have a loan through my local CU for a used boat. With my debt-to-income, the max they will give me is $14,250, this is for a period of 36 months. I happened to do some checking around with financing for new boats. It looks like for a new boat with my wants, I'd be in the 25k-50k price range. From what I understand, correct me if I'm wrong, but I would be able to finance that for 15 years.

This would actually give me a lower DTI because of the payment than buying used as I want a lower DTI in case our housing market ever picks back up, I won't have a problem getting a new house loan. I know there's pros and cons to both, so I guess I'm trying to measure what's better for me in my situation, new or used? What's your opinions?
 

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Actually PezVela is giving you a wonderful solution for your dilemma, Why don't you rent for awhile until you know exactly what kind of boat you want to purchase. Your Vehicle is a non-issue until you know the boat you want, I have women and children and a bowrider, I wouldn't want anything else but I knew what I wanted. Once you decide on a boat then you can figure out if you need to upgrade the vehicle. Another rental solution is to rent a truck to tow your boat, not the perfect solution but if you have a slip then you can rent a truck every now and then to bring the boat home for maint. Sometimes you have to think outside the box!

You want a boat but what kind of boat? Heck if I know but it sounds to me like renting a cuddy for the weekend and then a cruiser for a weekend and then a bow rider for the weekend is the perfect answer for your situation. Then you decide what kind of boater you and your family are!

That is sound advice. Renting saved me a couple of times from buying a boat that I thought I wanted but didn't really like after spending some time on the water with it.

As for your tow vehicle, don't forget that the weight listed for a boat doesn't include the trailer, your gear, gas.....or much of anything that you'll actually be towing other than the boat itself. I'm thinking just about any 20 footer is going to put you over. Our last boat was a 20' bowrider with an IO and it weighed over 5200lbs on the trailer full of gas (boat weighed 3,000 according to the manufacturer). I towed it with a half ton suburban and it did fine, but I wouldn't have wanted to pull it with anything smaller than that.
 

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So what your asking is, would it be smarter for you to go purchase a new boat over a used boat???? REALLY?? Sure in your situation I think it would probably be better for you to get a new boat.

Cons are the deflating 15% immediate loss of equity in the boat once you pretty much hook it up to your vehicle. If you do decide that you would like to go another route after purchasing a new boat your stuck until you can find that guy with disposable income that can absorb that debt. I can give you a few others but I think you get the idea, you have to be really certain that the boat your about to buy is THE one, this is your first so I would be a bit concerned. The elephant that were all ignoring is the economy and that is pretty scary but if you look at things the way I do then worst case scenario is that there wont be a Bank coming after you for the boat anyway!!
 

TheZeeMan

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LOL Lipp you are a great realist :) That is my worry as well...this would have to be THE boat as I'd be stuck with it for awhile. Ok I think that helps out. Back to the waiting game.
 
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