Are there too many conservatives on this forum?

[Ralph 123]

Re: Are there too many conservatives on this forum?

Hey Joe,<br /><br />When you have one party accusing the President of crimes almost on a daily basis (Deserter, AWOL, Coup D'etat, Knew about 911 in advance, lying to the Congress and people, planning a war in Texas for political gain, being responsible for the attacks in Spain, etc., etc., etc.,) yet ignore lying to Federal agents (a crime Martha is going to jail for) because he is "your guy," you get a big divide. <br /><br />When you ignore WTC 1, Kobar Towers, Embassies in Africa, Somalia, an assassination attempt on a President, and the Cole, yet vilify and attack a man taking action to protect us you get a big divide.<br /><br />When you ignore an attack on women and children by a tank for "gun" violations and being religious nuts, because it was "your guy" who did it, you get a big divide.

 

[mojokim]

Re: Are there too many conservatives on this forum?

I normally try to stay as far away from these debates as possible, but I will interject my thoughts here. IMHO the real problem is that there is really no one party that represents the majority of American interests. I always have a major dilemma as I am a govt. worker, a christian, and a believer in fiscal responsibility. I think one of the major problems facing average Americans today is the lack of respect given to employees by employers. The corporate world has too much power and is too concerned with increasing profits even if it means scything off employees without any concern for their well being. I just have not seen anything from the current administration to curb these kinds of things. I vote for whoever supports the greatest number of things that I think will benefit the majority of average americans.

 

[nailbender2155]

Re: Are there too many conservatives on this forum?

I JUST PLAIN DON'T LIKE HIM.OR ANYBODY ELSE IN HIS ENTIRE FAMILY

 

[Carphunter]

Re: Are there too many conservatives on this forum?

You talkin 'bout me nailbender? <br /><br />Just kiddin.

 

[Ralph 123]

Re: Are there too many conservatives on this forum?

That just it mojokim, it is not the government's job to get involved with employee/employer relationships. If you want a government like that you can go to Cuba or China but I don't think you will like what you find. They tried it for 70 years in the USSR and it didn't work out too well.<br /><br />If you hate your job, quit and find another or start your own company (which is easy to do in this country). Don't look to the government, especially the President to solve your personal problems. We live in a free country.<br /><br />nailbender2155, Kudos to you for being an honest person!

 

[rolmops]

Re: Are there too many conservatives on this forum?

There are not too many conservatives as a whole.There are a few too many conservatives who shoot sound bytes from the hip.<br />There are not enough conservatives who promote their point of view in a rational way.Its not that these people are not on these boards.I think it's that they choose not to participate in these discussions.

 

[POINTER94]

Re: Are there too many conservatives on this forum?

quote:<br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /> Bush was going to use snippets of his service during Vietnam, but he decided that snorting coke, smoking pot and boozing while dodging the draft and being AWOL from the National Guard wasn't the right image. <br />--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />From the hip???????????<br /><br />Sorry Toad, hate to leverage you but this was too easy.......

 

[Toad2001]

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I retract my snide reply.<br />Quit trolling Pointer, you know I'm an easy catch!

 

[rolmops]

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[mojokim]

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I didn't say I hated my job or that I want the govt. to control business. It's the policies that the current govt. advances that encourages businesses to act the way they do. The only incentive that is given is to make more profit instead of reward dedicated employees.

 

[Ralph 123]

Re: Are there too many conservatives on this forum?

Ok, give me one example.

 

[snapperbait]

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Oh come on Nailbender... You gotta like Barbera Bush at least a little... I do... Classy Lady... <br /><br /> I mean after all, durring Bar's time as first lady she did'nt go around with a fake smile pasted on her face 24/7/365 like her daughter-inlaw...<br />

 

[Ralph 123]

Re: Are there too many conservatives on this forum?

Hey at least she doesn't go around acting like the co-President and spouting conspiracy theories Granted she can't pick commodities to trade like Hillary can but hey, nobody can.

 

[snapperbait]

Re: Are there too many conservatives on this forum?

True! No argument here... Very true... <br /><br />What is Laura's pet project anyway? Does she have one? Ya know, like Bar's thing was literacy...

 

[Toad2001]

Re: Are there too many conservatives on this forum?

I like Barbara, but Laura is just plain creepy. Those eyes. You can almost see the devil...

 

[Ralph 123]

Re: Are there too many conservatives on this forum?

Hey Toad, I thought you didn't believe in deities?

 

[Toad2001]

Re: Are there too many conservatives on this forum?

you know what I mean...

 

[mojokim]

Re: Are there too many conservatives on this forum?

examples<br /><br />Workers see few benefits from pro-business policies <br />Mon Mar 15, 6:43 AM ET - USATODAY.com <br /> <br />As the U.S. economy keeps expanding without creating new jobs, politicians, labor leaders and average Americans increasingly blame "outsourcing" - work U.S. firms transfer to low-wage countries. The practice has become so highly charged that a Nebraska executive in line to oversee a Bush administration effort to boost factory jobs backed out last week following reports that he had outsourced operations to China.<br />Tying all of the nation's economic woes to outsourcing is simplistic. Many economists estimate that only about 1 in 100 layoffs are caused by outsourcing. By contrast, the bulk of job losses stem from domestic factors.<br /><br />Even so, the focus on outsourcing helps highlight a broader economic concern that Corporate America has failed to address: Policies that are good for business have not been good for workers in recent years.<br /><br />While Washington has showered tax cuts on U.S. businesses to spur them to grow, executives have not created new jobs or shared their increased prosperity with workers. Instead, the tax benefits largely have fattened companies' bottom lines. The growing disparity between corporate and worker fortunes requires a re-examination of strategies for stimulating the economy.<br /><br />Corporate profits are up 30% since the end of the 2001 recession, according to the Commerce Department (news - web sites). And dividends paid by the Standard & Poor's 500 companies have increased 19% in the past two years. By contrast, 2.3 million jobs have disappeared since 2001. And weekly earnings for the average worker in 2003 rose just half of one percent in two years, after adjusting for inflation, the Labor Department (news - web sites) reports.<br /><br />Those were not the results corporate lobbyists promised in 2003 when they won $148 billion in pro-business tax cuts over five years. Among them:<br />Lower capital gains taxes. Businesses said reducing the tax on stock-sale profits from 20% to 15% would stimulate investment in their growth and create high-paying jobs. Instead, much of the money has paid for new technology that lets firms produce more with the same or fewer workers. The efficiency gains have fattened profits more than paychecks, government data show.<br /><br />Lower stock dividend taxes. Congress cut tax rates on stock dividends from a high of 38.5% to 15% as another way to spur investment in companies so they would expand. But some economists say the break is prompting companies to focus on raising dividends by squeezing jobs and wages.<br /><br />Now the business community is seeking up to $11 billion a year in new tax breaks it says will boost U.S. jobs and exports.<br /><br />In light of business' failure to deliver on earlier promises of job and wage growth, worker-friendly ways to stimulate the economy are worth exploring first. One example: extending unemployment benefits for 760,000 people who have exhausted benefits. According to Economy.com, a consulting firm, every $1 invested in extended benefits generates $1.70 of increased economic activity because the money is spent quickly. By contrast, each $1 spent cutting dividend taxes pumps just 9 cents into the economy, the firm says. The benefits' $14.5 billion annual cost could be offset partly by eliminating some business tax breaks and subsidies. <br /><br />Business groups say strong economic growth soon will pay off as companies hire new workers and give current employees raises so they don't look for jobs elsewhere.<br /><br />But similar predictions a year ago that jobs are just around the corner still haven't come true. Until those jobs materialize, corporate claims that policies good for business are good for the country will ring hollow.

 

[Ralph 123]

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So mojokim what you are saying is that you want the government to control wages? You want the government to determine how much people are paid?<br /><br />First, here is an idea: If employees are unhappy they should quit. Then the company will either have to fix the reason people quit, or go out of business. It is the free market at work. In the go-go 90s companies had to pay through the nose to get good people but I never heard anyone ask to cut employee pay.<br /><br />Second, let's not forget that many companies lost money over the last few years, so to say that profits are up 30% but not being shared is very misleading. Being up 30% when you were not making a profit or barely making a profit is very different than saying something like "record profits not being shared."<br /><br />Third, the more burden put on US based companies the less competitive they are in the US and in the world. The less competitive they are, the less likely they will be around to provide any jobs in the future.<br /><br />I have to say, that article is one of the most intentionally misleading and down right socialistic ones I have read in a very long time.<br /><br />I am starting to get concerned about all the latent socialism/communism in this country. If you want to compare this economy to that of more socialistic countries like France and Germany, you will see that in the US we have about 5.6% unemployment while France and Germany are more like 9%.

 

[pjc]

Re: Are there too many conservatives on this forum?

can never have too many middle road conservatives IMO. 'special now that homos getting married, women having their babies murdered via partial birth abort, mothers being prosecuted, then protected by "support" organizations after the moms drown their kids claiming depression from post partum.<br /><br />IMO, some very disturbed lefties out there who will support what I posted above. <br /><br />Same lefties will proport to support those topics I've posted 'till it is happening in their home...then change course.