Big problem? Little problem?

[viper1]

Re: Big problem? Little problem?

Sorry took so long to reply. Been working in the garden with this 80 degree weather. Well got the out drive off. Build a pressure checker and tested it. Leaks pretty quickly. Sp I just ordered a gasket and seal kit for the mounting of the out drive,one for upper half,one for lower half and the impeller kit. Also the alignment shaft as i have already said. I will split the case when the parts come in. then I'll do a pressure check on each half. So far no big deal. I also found that the alignment that so many claim have to be done in thousands really only has to be within a sixteenth of inch. Since every thing including the motor mounts and drive float on rubber they constantly change. You can get closer but really don't need to. At least that' s what a guy I know at the marina said. He is said to be very good. Also ordered the tool to remove the shifter seal. I will check back as further procress is made.

 

[fat fanny]

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Well Viper been following this thread from the start and just noticed where your from! small world I work @ Butech Bliss if I would have known this earlier I would just let you use my alignment bar if ya need anything just shout! But for the most part the drive does need alignment.

 

[viper1]

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Small world. I retired from Sekely's Tool & Die. Well thanks for he offer. Hopefully I don't need any more. For a while any way. LOL

 

[fat fanny]

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I work with allot of the left overs so to say Butech owns the equipment and building now. What a shame what those Sekely boys did to that buisness. But anyho if you need anything just shout or run by the old bliss building around noon I usually sit outside @ lunch or PM me.

 

[viper1]

Re: Big problem? Little problem?

Yes sure was. But Jimmy who insisted on going to china with the business won't screw any one over no more. He was being treated in China for a heart problem, got so bad Dad flew him to Cleveland hospital where he died. The Chinese thought it was heart and it was just an infection they let get bad enough to kill him. He said he'd get it moved if it killed him. Well It did! TO bad that couldn't happen to all that want to take jobs overseas. Any way Thanks I may take you up on it some day.

 

[viper1]

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OK made my first mistake. At least the first one I know of. I forgot to mark the position of my Anodic Trim Tab. Any easy way to adjust this or what should I do. Not sure if it matters but i also in stalled the pro troller trim tabs.

 

[ktbarrentine]

Re: Big problem? Little problem?

OK made my first mistake. At least the first one I know of. I forgot to mark the position of my Anodic Trim Tab. Any easy way to adjust this or what should I do. Not sure if it matters but i also in stalled the pro troller trim tabs.

No prob!... More of a fun science project...
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=539595

 

[viper1]

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Ok how about a even dumber question. When we pulled this we had a rubber gasket about 5 1/4 and and a oil ring about the same size and a metal ring of sorts fall on the ground. Now we are trying to get the proper order and exactly how it goes. The diagrams dont show it very plainly. Does any one know the proper order or have a view that does?

 

[Bondo]

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Ok how about a even dumber question. When we pulled this we had a rubber gasket about 5 1/4 and and a oil ring about the same size and a metal ring of sorts fall on the ground. Now we are trying to get the proper order and exactly how it goes. The diagrams dont show it very plainly. Does any one know the proper order or have a view that does?

Ayuh,.... Got a picture of those pieces,..??

There shoulda been a 1" o-ring, 'n a 'bout 4" o-ring, 'n No metal ring......

 

[viper1]

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Ok Well these are the three things i'm concerned about.

As to do all three go in to the housing or on drive shaft assembly and then inserted. Which way the ring faces and what goes on it.

Metal ring and that fits this have also just not sure how.

has to go against this ring inside some how I figure. I think this one inside is rubber or something.

 

[fat fanny]

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That metal ring could be aluminum and the rubber seal both could be part of the gimbal bearing I would look real good inside to make sure everythings intact. When your ready to re-assemble make sure u use the torque specs for the new or used bearings for the yolk retainer nut a spanner wrench works great from a 4" collet boring head w/ a 3/8 socket welded to the end of it stop @ the shop and se **** boyle there should be pretty close to a hundred of them laying around both plants. Good luck!

 

[viper1]

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That metal ring could be aluminum and the rubber seal both could be part of the gimbal bearing I would look real good inside to make sure everythings intact. When your ready to re-assemble make sure u use the torque specs for the new or used bearings for the yolk retainer nut a spanner wrench works great from a 4" collet boring head w/ a 3/8 socket welded to the end of it stop @ the shop and se **** boyle there should be pretty close to a hundred of them laying around both plants. Good luck!

Ok you got me lost. I haven't removed the bell housing at all. So what is the yolk your talking about? Also the bearing is still in there. This is an Aluminum ring. It looks like it needs a o ring or rubber gasket and fits on the upper half over drive shaft.
Oh and tell **** I said high! He's the father of my friend Rick. Tell him Paul said high!

 

[fat fanny]

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Sorry when I pullled my drive I didn't have any thing come out except the o-ring so the metal ring leads me to believe it is part of the bearing ???? just not wanting to see you re-assemble without checking and then having issues, and as far as the yolk (universal connected to the spline shaft) I just didn't look close enough to see it's still connected to the lower half of the drive sorry. Take a pic inside the assembly at the gimbal bearing and post later this afternoon I will look at my pdf of the drive service manual at the parts breakdown but I'm sure thats not a loose fitting assembly part for the lack of a better term. Also did u get an alignment bar? if not give me a shout made on the slant bed works great and was cheap. When I see **** again I'll tell him only see every so often. Also if you don't already try and gett the service manual off the free down loads from the forum for your drive. Good luck

 

[viper1]

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Well I think I may be making more out of it then need be. My trouble is my short term memory is bad. But I can read prints real good. Just cant find one that shows this. So let me try to explain better. This is a pic of the upper unit with out ring or any thing. Now it looks to me it goes on here.

Heres one with the wide rubber gasket on it.

Here is one with the large O ring on it.

Here is a shot of the housing surface and the ring in side I was talking about. It looks like a bearing race but seems to be made of a hard fiber or plastic. I figure its where the seal butts up to.

And these are the three culprits i am wondering about.

Here is a farther back pic,you can see location better and also the light colored race Im speaking of.

Now if I was to try this I would think the oil ring goes on the metal ring and onto the upper drive like I showed. But I'm wondering were the other goes. Sorry for all the pics but hope I explained it better this time. Oh I did order a alignment bar and every thing looked good.

 

[viper1]

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http://www.mercurypartsexpress.com/us/parts-search.html#epc::md718407mr1065ar2893

Using this drawing it looks like the #14 the sleeve to cover the bellows. But I can't see how as it is I believe to big to fit past the first race type thing in the drive. Also looks like the # 3 rubber gasket is the thick one and maybe slides on the upper drive housing. But don't make no sense to me either. And I don't see any place calling for the large o-ring. As all three parts are about 5" in diameter. Just thought i d throw that out thee.

 

[viper1]

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By this drawing I think I have it figured out.The ring does push on the end of the bellow and the wide rubber gasket fits inside the tube and up against. I guess the drive slides in and compresses the rubber gasket. But would like some one to assure me. LOL Also this o-ring is about the same size. I can't find where it goes. I don't see a old one so I'm thinking It goes inside the housing where I didn't disturb. I believe the ring to be #14 in the drawing and the rubber gasket is #3.

 

[mr300z87]

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I am no expert and have only been messing with MC drives for a year and half but I believe the metal ring secures the bellows to the bell housing and was not installed properly since it usually need to be destroyed to be removed. The square shaped ring goes in as you stated and the round o-ring does not belong. Hope one of the experts here can confirm.

 

[fat fanny]

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in manual#14 on pg4a-8 the diagram shows the sleeve and it I believe is part of the bellows installation proceedure and is pressed in with a retainer tool (driver) and is intended to maintain the bellows circularity so th upper can slide into and seal onto the gimbal housing unit and as for the o ring it could have been left behind from a previous removal if I'm not mistaken your upper still has it's intact from what i can see from the pic compare them for size.

 

[fat fanny]

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Viper you have a personal message.

 

[viper1]

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Ok here it is in. I took a 2x4 piece of wood and taped it in. Seemed ok going on. THen I slid the rubber gasket in. I'm including pics. Do you think this will work or am I taking a big chance. Seems the rubber gasket would squash and seal. If water leaks into this bellow where does it end up? Just curious. How big is the job changing the bellows and what tools are required?? Any special tools needed? Looks to me in the drawing it goes around the bellows after the clamp is on and covers the drive shaft.