Couldn't have said it better

[SCO]

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Lucky Jim, you said:<br /> "To attack some one for beening or thinking diffrently is the biggest problem in the world to day." <br />That ,I think, is a gross exageration(sp). Where else do you get to hear what people are really thinking? I have found this place enlightening as have all of us I bet. We're getting an exchange of ideas though not always pleasant. I personally think that one of the biggest problems and dangers in the world today is that many are afraid to take a stand, to stand up and be counted. This anything goes mentality is dangerous. All cultures have rules and acceptable behaviors. When all is ok and must be tolerated, the culture has by definition changed, and we all become the same. Weak, mindess sheep, afraid to have an opinion. I am adding here after some thought(think first, write second I know I know), and understand you to be saying this radical Islamic thought and intolerance is the big problem. I agree with you on that point, but don't look at that as being within our control, nor will it ever be within our control. We have to be able to maintain a strong culture here in our own house to be able to fight that mindset of other peoples off like we have for the past 200+ years. Humans arent ready to reason and work out ther differences peacefully. Till they are, we have to be ready to draw the sword.

 

[ebbtide176]

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i'm with you (on that 1st sentence)luckyjim. how can you fairly debate with strangers over the internet, with almost no way of enforcing rules of conduct? it has turned out pretty good here, as far as bread for thought. but not very structured. <br /><br />i understand sco too, and i think that's a good point about becoming mindless sheep without giving an opinion.<br /><br />the real shame is that the dabates aren't separated into another section, so it could be easily bypassed <br /><br />but hey, then again, you might feel a great sense of stress relief to just jump right in somewhere and flame away - you could always ignore the counterpoints and makeup your own topic lol

 

[NathanY]

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I never agree with Plywoody, or Black Smoke, but if they had a problem, this board would rally to help them as much as we could. I dont think that has ever been an issue. Infact, I rmember a post of mine, where I needed help, and Plywoody was the first to jump in.<br /><br />I cant speak for all, but just because I dont like or agree with someone, Im not gonna let their boat or motor suffer from it.

 

[Carphunter]

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Thats what is great about America, everyone can have their own opinion. I despise liberals, my opinion. I severely disagree with Plywoody and Blacksmoke, my opinion. Its when some of these liberals try to push their "opinions" into law, that I have a problem.<br /> <br />If I choose to discriminate, especially against Liberal democrats, then that is my right and my opinion.<br /> <br /> If I choose to own an AK-47, that should be my right. Thats my opinion. I have a .22 rifle that is considered an "assault rifle" because of the number of rounds that it will hold. Kind of ridiculous in my opinion. Sure works great for the squirrels.<br /><br />If I choose to discriminate against homosexuals, then that should be my right. I don't care if they discriminate against me. Most heterosexuals don't go around announcing that they are heterosexuals. It seems to me that homosexuals have a need to announce their sexuality to draw attention to themselves. Look at the way the human body has been created. Males were supposed to "mate" with females. That is the way God made us, in my opinion.<br /><br />I agree that we should not keep hiring more cops, or building more prisons just to handle the increase in crime. Instead, I believe we should do away with "Death row", and execute the thousands of people sitting there. They have been tried, and found guilty of a crime that warrants execution, so execute them. That would reduce the overcrowded prisions, and make the criminals think twice before committing a serious crime. Prision should be a punishment, not an escape, in my opinion.<br /><br /> I believe there are circumstances where a child must be disciplined with more than words. An occaisional spanking for severely bad behavior, or continually bad behavior is necessary, in my opinion, because I love my children, and they love me.<br /> <br />So Plywoody, you say that we should hire anyone, whether they speak english or not. Then you say that is what keeps a flat of strawberries costing $4.00 instead of $8.00. So you are ok with hiring minorities, but not at the normal pay rate? Sounds like you are being a hypocrite to me, in my opinion. <br /><br />I am proud to be an American. I don't like the liberals who are trying to take away my rights, that thousands of soldiers died for.<br /><br />Just my opinion.

 

[Carphunter]

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I agree with Nathan, can't let anybodys boat suffer because we have differing opinions.<br />I apologize, I will keep my future responses to one paragraph or less.

 

[Cobotr]

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I have always thought that a great way to handle the prison situation would be to put certain prisoners that qualify, on an island. This island would be so remote as to make escape impossible. The prisoners could do as they please, even if it is to kill one another off. Food drops would be made on a regular basis, and they could fend for themselves as they see fit. Have a couple of gunships circle the island to keep boats from going in.<br /><br />That way the anti death penalty people would get what they want, we'd get these criminals away from our society, and the prisons would be for those guilty of lesser crimes such as speeding in boats. (A little humor)

 

[bubbakat]

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man i wouldn't touch this with a ten foot cane pole. this moment is decated to the hearing impaired

 

[jim phillips]

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I have no problem with a good debait in fact i enjoy one my self but when name calling starts it is no longer a debait but a arugment. the forum is great i just started posting questions a short time ago and reading replys i have found my self sitting for hours and feel like i know alot of you people personaly just from what i have read i just dont want to see people get mad at each other over personal opinons and points of view. I have seen it to many times. Please keep up the debaits but stop the name calling

 

[Stratosfied]

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Just got to look at this...<br />I never had the PRIVELEDGE to serve MY COUNTRY due to failing the physical. Both my Grandfathers were in WWII. Both were infantrymen. Grunts...disposable...casualities..necessities...Both survived and one still lives today. My Father was a dodger, he dodged bullets with the 82nd Airborne (252 Combat Missions and 2 Purple Hearts). They FOUGHT and I mean FOUGHT that we could all do as we Damn well please. I wish that all the "Great Society" types had the 'Nads to even speak to these men and the many others who did the unthinkable. I sleep at night well knowing that somewhere, there is a soldier. I can do anything that a law abiding citizen of the great nation has a protected right to do. I have not forgotten how I was guarenteed those rights. Whether it be of religion, which was violated at Waco, or the right to due process which was raped at Ruby Ridge. Tonight I am Free thanks not to laws or lawmakers, but to men who have fought to give me this.

 

[BlackSmoke]

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Hey Strat...<br />Did your grandfathers enlist or were they drafted? My old man was at the Battle of the Bulge, swapped foxholes with his mortar partner under sniper fire, and watched him get blown to bits. He never talked much about his experiences, but I'll never forget his reaction to "Saving Private Ryan".<br />Plenty of "Great Society types" served this country as well. There's nothing wrong with wanting a society that cares for the less fortunate, and I'm not talking about welfare for those able to work.<br />By the way, what's your opinion of the Oklahoma City bombing?<br />And, to others on the forum, why do you want the right to discriminate against others?

 

[SCO]

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Blacksmoke,<br />1)I bet none of us are against charity and a helping hand, but many have a problem with government confiscating our money and redistributing it in accordance with the world view of others. This is a huge discussion, so I'll leave it at that for now with this caveat: the aims of the great society have not been met. It doesn't work to do that. It has created a whole slew of social problems, mediocrity, and a dependent class with a self esteem problem. <br /><br />2) The right to discriminate is freedom. You don't have a right to discriminate in the workplace, because that infringes on the freedom of others. If the right to discriminate is denied, you are getting into the area of thought police heading toward some crazy Orwellian world. I think discrimination by people is universal. Liberals don't like conservatives. Many Blacks don't like Whites and vice versa. Ive met women that just dont like Man, and vice versa. You Blacksmoke might want to discriminate against those who declare the right to discriminate. My view... our ancestors all migrated out of Africa not long ago, and we are pretty much identical genetically, Brothers one and all. We have cultural problems that are a product of the inherent natural instinctive necessity to to form groups for survival. Discrimination of those outside the group is GENETIC. Maybe the "Great Society", and multiculturalism has us at each others throats. We need, especially now, to unite as one group called "Americans". Gotta add also that to not discriminate means there are no cultural rules. Anything goes in that world, and the discrimination is directed entirely at those that dont agree. <br /><br />3. what's your point about Oklahoma City?

 

[BlackSmoke]

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SCO, You make some really good points, but I guess we're using different definitions of "discriminate." My definition is to limit the rights and opportunities of others, and I just don't think anyone should, or needs to, do that. Getting along is hard work, but we must work hard to maintain a civil society. If your definition of discrimination is to recognize cultural differences while respecting them, then I'm OK with that.<br /><br />Before you blame previous administrations' efforts to help the less fortunate, you must acknowledge that there is a direct correlation between indigence and mental illness. It's a vicious cycle, perpetuated within family and class structure, and it will not change on its own. Society must step in and provide some alternatives for the cycle. It's not just about people choosing not to work because they can get a check from the government.<br /><br />As far as government confiscating and redistributing our money based on the world view of others...first, we are the government and, second, we all have to live with this at some point. It's how our system of government works. Some of us dislike the policies of this administration, and some of us disliked those of the previous administration. But, we can vote against things we don't like or press our representatives to overturn them. They're not unchangeable edicts handed down by royalty.<br /><br />Whew, am I getting long winded...

 

[lakeman1999]

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Hey plywoody, where can you get a flat of strawberries for $4.00?

 

[SCO]

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You make some good points too Blacksmoke, and I can live with differences of opinion. We are trying to determine the rules. WRT mental illness, It's clearly present, but I have heard that to be a myth as the cause for most of the indigent. Not trying to disprove you here, I don't have good enough facts, just fyi. I'm not trying to blame Johnson or Kennedy for the Great Society(have heard it was Kennedy's plan implemented by Johnson). I bet I thought it was a good idea the first time I heard it. I am for rejecting plans that do not factor in human nature. Plans that provide incentives for low productivity, regardless of the intent, have negative side effects. Look what happened with the oil for food plan... apparently turned into a French Russian slush fund. Human nature in action. I'd rather the government stay out of social engineering as much as possible. <br />The stakes are high. As soon as the non productive can out vote the productive, it's all over.

 

[Stratosfied]

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Sorry that I haven't replied sooner but I have just gotten off work. <br />My thoughts on the OK. city bombing are this. There were two individuals frustrated with Federal government intrusion/obstruction in private lives and/or rights. They attempted to make a statement. Was their methods acceptable? BY NO MEANS~~~NO!!! But, did they have the right to feel this way??? <br />This is my opinion on this. This is what's wrong with everything in the US today. If someone doesn't feel right, then the action is to retaliate against those they perceive to have wronged them. <br />Individuals make themselves proper in the way that they see the best to persuade their own destiny. This has occurred from the beginning of time. Society has no debt to those individuals who committed the unspeakable crimes and loss of the innocent lives at Oklahoma city, other than to pass swift, quick judgment on their crimes. The focal point in my opinion is that We all should not look to the Gov't. to help/solve the things which we have conflict with but instead accept the responsibility for what we do and accept the outcome for this. <br />If a society keeps hearing the same ol same ol pretty soon it becomes apparent. Look at Iraq. One imbecile decided that he knew better and that was that, Cuba the same way, Germany...<br />The LORD GOD gave us all ten commandments to follow, by the time Jesus came to earth, it was a sin to eat without washing your hands. Do not rely on the wisdom of men but let us all forever think, act and do as the Golden Rule. I don't know what anyone else has been through as I have not walked in their shoes. <br />I hope that I have not angered or offended anyone, but these are my thoughts.

 

[rudeafrican]

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Man I'm starting to enjoy reading this thread. It started off fairly decently but quickly degenerated into a lot of name calling. The last few posts have been very lucid, straight, factual, giving a point of view without slandering or name calling, a pleasure to read. Now this is the reason that makes me wanna become a part of the American dream. Keep it up folks.

 

[plywoody]

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A flat of strawberries for $4.00? Here in the northwest, at the height of the season, you can get one for around there at least.<br />It is one of those things called "free market" and laws of supply and demand.<br />Someone asked if I was being hypocritical in suggesting that non-English speaking people should be paid a lesser rate of pay. Of course not.<br />Economic reality is that labor, just like other commodities, vary depend on factors such as supply and demand. If there were fewer people willing to do manual labor, and the crop needs to come in and has to be manually harvested, for example, the price for the labor involved would go up dramatically just to get enough people to get the job done. That is called "free market forces"<br /> It is an integral part of capitalism. <br />Not all non English speaking people wish to work in the fields, of course, but enough of them do to keep the supply and demand of that labor in balance to keep costs, and market prices, stable.<br />Without that supply of labor, costs would surely, and dramatically, rise, as would prices.<br /><br />I think when people make negative statements about immigrants, and non-english speaking peoples, they ignore the benefits to our way of life that all these diverse people can and do bring. Sure you can cite instances of problems in any group, but on the whole, these diverse groups make our collective lives better, IMO.<br /><br />I just think we should recognize and appreciate the benefits they bring--it would go a long way toward learning just a bit of tolerance to different cultures and points of view.

 

[Billy Rogers]

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Nathan I agree with you on all your points,I own 3 AR15s (pre ban) with hi cap clips and bayonet lugs, I use em in the deer woods, Idont have to shoot em a hundered times but I can if I wanted to. Bill Clinton I voted for his sorry a-- for pres cause I wanted him to get the hell out of Arkansas.We had him long enough and after all we should share with the rest of the country, sorry about that for all you folks out there if you were from Arkansas you would know what I mean. Thank GOD he decided to live in New York , my condolences to all you folks there.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Well I have heard enough.<br />Plywood is a draft dodger.<br />Nothing for a man/boy that won't defend his, or should I say, this country.<br /><br />I have nothing and I mean nothing for someone that would not fight for their homeland.

 

[Boomyal]

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Whew! Did I come to this party late, or what? I think I'll let this one pass. 'Sides, probably not much I could add 'cept a lil flame to an already raging conflagration. <br /><br />ps, No way Andy Rooney could have said that. He's about a whiney a liberal as they make.<br /><br />okay! Okay! I said I'd keep my mouth shut.