full tank vs. empty tank for storage

JimS123

Fleet Admiral
Joined
Jul 27, 2007
Messages
8,282
Re: full tank vs. empty tank for storage

I keep my boat in a heated garage! Thats why I don't bother fogging!

Even more reason to fog if the boat is not to be used for long periods. Warm temperatures accelerate corrosion, plus you have higher ambient moisture.

All heated storage does is ensure you don't get a cracked block.
 

DayCruiser

Ensign
Joined
Sep 24, 2004
Messages
953
Re: full tank vs. empty tank for storage

A small tank like that won't be able to create enough condensation over night to worry about. And leaving it in the shade is fine too. Don't tighten the vent, just screw it closed until it barely seals, and then if pressure were to build, it will leak out the vent.

Im not 100% positive but I do think you should always have a vented fuel tank especailly on a boat.....

Thanks for the info. I went down to the dock and opened the vents just a smidgen.
Not saying you shouldn't. Just never fogged my i/o. Haven't noticed any negative effects. I take it out for 5 1/2 months. Maybe it takes a lot longer to corrode from non usage?
 

korygrandy

Senior Chief Petty Officer
Joined
Apr 14, 2010
Messages
698
Re: full tank vs. empty tank for storage

This may be off-topic but after reading this thread I'm convinced I want to go to a Christmas Party with 45auto and Philster...it would be a hoot.

I'm leaving mine (fuel tank) full with stabilizer for the very cold MN winters. I don't feel like citing any sources but Dave Dahl will tell you it gets cold.
 

jmarty10

Chief Petty Officer
Joined
Aug 6, 2007
Messages
560
Re: full tank vs. empty tank for storage

Well - I'm more confused now than ever. I have 5 gallons of ethanol marine grade gas in tank now thats a month old. I put stabil in it on Sunday. Dont know if water is in the tank now but I cant imagine that the gas is bad after a month? As far as the water in the tank, isnt that what the water seperator is for? I changed my water seperator on Sunday also. I thought if you had water in tank it will be caught by the seperator?
 

Ike-110722

Chief Petty Officer
Joined
Sep 3, 2007
Messages
408
Re: full tank vs. empty tank for storage

Now things are getting to silly season. Five gallons? We are talking about 20, 30, 40 or more sitting for long periods of time, like 4 or 5 months over the winter. One month is not going to make much of a difference. Five gallons at 10 % ethanol is 1/2 of a gallon of ethanol which, if it separates is going to attract maybe a cup of water? Of course your water separator will catch it. You have nothing to worry about. If your boat is still on the water or on a trailer, take it out for a run and burn up the five gallons. Or siphon it off and put it in your car. It will be gone a couple of days.


And on the other subject of vents. Fuel tanks are required by Federal regulations and ABYC standards and every other marine fuel system standard you can think of, to be vented. If you want to close it off when it's in storage fine, but don't forget to open the vent when you are using the boat. There is a very good reason for this. If a fuel system on a boat is closed (like on cars now) and there is any positive pressure in the system, and you get a leak, it will dump the entire contents of the fuel system into your boat. This will not make for a pleasant day when you try to start your engine.

On the problem of vents spitting fuel: Most boats are designed to have the vent at the high end of the tank when the boat is sitting on its waterline in the water. Frequently when boats are on a trailer or blocked up on the hard the fuel tank is not in its correct attitude. Especially when you see trailers sitting with the tongue lowered to the ground. if the tank is nearly full or completely full, as the temperature increases during the day, the pressure will force the fuel up the vent because the vent opening in the tank is below the top of the fuel level. Most tanks today (and made for the last 10 years or so) have a 5% ullage, that is, a space at the top of the tank for expansion. Usually this is accomplished simply by extending the vent a short way below the top of the tank. Some tanks actually have a bump or or space built into the top of the tank, but that is the exception. So you need to be careful if storing a boat with tanks full to make sure that the waterline is level. if it is, the tank vent opening should be above the level of the fuel.

Ps: this is also why many tanks cannot be filled all the way to the top. You're not actually supposed to fill them to the top. This is also why the auto shut off on gas pumps doesn't work with boats. ABYC is currently working on developing a method for the auto shutoff to work.

One added note: I am talking about permanently installed fuel tanks. Portable fuel tanks are a different matter.
 

jmarty10

Chief Petty Officer
Joined
Aug 6, 2007
Messages
560
Re: full tank vs. empty tank for storage

Now things are getting to silly season. Five gallons? We are talking about 20, 30, 40 or more sitting for long periods of time, like 4 or 5 months over the winter. One month is not going to make much of a difference. Five gallons at 10 % ethanol is 1/2 of a gallon of ethanol which, if it separates is going to attract maybe a cup of water? Of course your water separator will catch it. You have nothing to worry about. If your boat is still on the water or on a trailer, take it out for a run and burn up the five gallons. Or siphon it off and put it in your car. It will be gone a couple of days.


Bingo! then why would you want a full tank of gas?
 

109jb

Lieutenant Commander
Joined
Jul 15, 2008
Messages
1,590
Re: full tank vs. empty tank for storage

Now things are getting to silly season. Five gallons? We are talking about 20, 30, 40 or more sitting for long periods of time, like 4 or 5 months over the winter. One month is not going to make much of a difference. Five gallons at 10 % ethanol is 1/2 of a gallon of ethanol which, if it separates is going to attract maybe a cup of water? Of course your water separator will catch it. You have nothing to worry about. If your boat is still on the water or on a trailer, take it out for a run and burn up the five gallons. Or siphon it off and put it in your car. It will be gone a couple of days.


Bingo! then why would you want a full tank of gas?


The fuel doesn't separate and then collect water. The water collects and then the fuel separates. Full tanks don't condense water from the atmosphere as easily as empty tanks because there is less air space. On top of that, less fuel means it takes less water to cause separation. So with a full tank it takes more water which is less likely to condense in the tank. With a partially empty tank it takes less water which is more likely to condense inside the tank.

That's why I want a full tank for storage. You can do whatever you want.
 

Ike-110722

Chief Petty Officer
Joined
Sep 3, 2007
Messages
408
Re: full tank vs. empty tank for storage

Thanks JB:

That is why I said at the beginning, it works either way, full or empty, but don't do in between.
 
Top