Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know??

[rbh]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

Just a word of caution fogging with ATF.
If you heavly fog (dump a couple of cups down the carb while it is running)

It will clean alot of the carbon build up, but this could get stuck to your valves so they do not seat well.
(ask me how I know :redface

 

[paultjohnson]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

I don't always fog my lawn mower because it is a 4 stroke with plain bearings that retain an oil coating on them. That means the surface of the bearing and the surface of the shaft remaain covered with oil. Ever taken a 4-stroke apart that had been sitting for years?? I have and they still have oil protecting the shaft and bearing.

I agree the lower end is protected. What about the cylinder/ valves??

 

[Fireman431]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

Some government agency or another would probably be interested to know if STABIL wouldn't provide an MSD on request ...

MSDS aren't necessarily public record. That's one way compaines can keep proprietary products from being copied.

However, they are required to be keep on premises in the event of an emergency incident and also available off site (but easily accessible) in case the structure isn't tenible enough to get to those records.

Retail/resale companies, like Grainger, Home Depot, Wal-Mart, etc. are required to have the MSDS on hand for any chemical/product that they stock for the same reasons.

Some manufacturers will ship copies of the MSDS directly to the fire station in their district as well, just as an added precaution. We maintained complete records of all manufacturing within our immediate response area.

Just FYI...even if you didn't want to know...:redface:

 

[BWNN]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

Sounds like they are all pretty flameable! Actually, more like starting fluid! Thanks for the info...

 

[PrinceValium]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

Ok this might be a stupid question but here goes...why winterized your motor for the winter when you can just put the muffs on every month or two and run the motor??

 

[rbh]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

Ok this might be a stupid question but here goes...why winterized your motor for the winter when you can just put the muffs on every month or two and run the motor??

Because some of us live in areas were it freeze's, and if we did not winterize the block/boat something would freeze up and crack.
IE block, manifolds, watersystem, drive.

 

[PrinceValium]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

Because some of us live in areas were it freeze's, and if we did not winterize the block/boat something would freeze up and crack.
IE block, manifolds, watersystem, drive.

Oh I see...makes sense now.

 

[perchin]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

how come ???

Mainly because when I did it to the snowmobiles, I had more problems getting it going again..... ie; three sets of plugs....headachey. The mechanic at our marina said he doesn't do it to his own, and not to worry.

I have a 1967 ski-doo that sat for over 25 years siezed up...poured coca-cola down the cylinder and let it set for a few days...it broke loose, and now runs and purs like a kitten.... it never gets fogged, and still does just fine...I've run vehicles that have sat for years without issue.... not saying its dumb to do it... just not for me I guess.

 

[skargo]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

I have a couple hot rods that don't get started all winter, and I don't fog them.

 

[109jb]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

Ok this might be a stupid question but here goes...why winterized your motor for the winter when you can just put the muffs on every month or two and run the motor??

In California that might work, but here in Illinois and even more so for colder areas it isn't a good idea to run the raw water cooled engine in sub zero temps. That's asking for a problem.

 

[109jb]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

I don't always fog my lawn mower because it is a 4 stroke with plain bearings that retain an oil coating on them. That means the surface of the bearing and the surface of the shaft remaain covered with oil. Ever taken a 4-stroke apart that had been sitting for years?? I have and they still have oil protecting the shaft and bearing.

I agree the lower end is protected. What about the cylinder/ valves??

I don't disagree. I believe in fogging any motor that is going to sit for an extended period. I was just saying that on a 2 stroke it is even more important to fog because the lower end isn't protected.

 

[paultjohnson]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

Mainly because when I did it to the snowmobiles, I had more problems getting it going again..... ie; three sets of plugs....headachey. The mechanic at our marina said he doesn't do it to his own, and not to worry.

I have a 1967 ski-doo that sat for over 25 years siezed up...poured coca-cola down the cylinder and let it set for a few days...it broke loose, and now runs and purs like a kitten.... it never gets fogged, and still does just fine...I've run vehicles that have sat for years without issue.... not saying its dumb to do it... just not for me I guess.

WOW ! Thats amazing IMO ! Makes ya wonder...??? I would think that engine would not have any kind of seal left between the cylinder walls and piston rings.
Coca- Cola huh ?
Ive also had a little trouble starting my sleds after theve been fogged, What really seemed to help is pulling the engine over 8-10 times with the spark plug out to blow most of the oil out. Then start it.
I girl I knew had a two year old sled a few years back that had a main bearing go out. Dealer wouldnt warrent it cuz they said it wasnt fogged and there was signs of rust on the crank. hmmmmmmmmmm ???

 

[PrinceValium]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

In California that might work, but here in Illinois and even more so for colder areas it isn't a good idea to run the raw water cooled engine in sub zero temps. That's asking for a problem.

Yep I totally didn't think about sub zero temps...winter to me is maybe a low of 32 here and there...lol

 

[paultjohnson]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

Yep I totally didn't think about sub zero temps...winter to me is maybe a low of 32 here and there...lol

put on your winter sandles

 

[Expidia]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

Years ago for any of my gas motors that were going to be laid up for 8 months of our Northeast winters or the opposite storage months for my Snow blowers.

I used to follow the manuals and empty the tanks and let motor run dry. Looks like over the years the motor manufacturers have reversed their thinking as with 4 stokes the last thing the inside of the cylinders saw was a wash down of gas. I always used to pull the plugs and squirted in an ounce of oil followed by putting the plug back in and pulling the cord a few times to circulate the oil onto the cylinder walls.

2 years ago, I pulled the plug on a snow blower, squirted in an ounce or two of oil and pulled the cord. The last thing I saw was me getting hosed down with a spray of 2 ounces of oil

But now I put a few ounces of Sta-bil in the tank. Let it run on the muffs for awhile to get the Stab-bil well circulated through the fuel system of my 2 stokes, 4 stokes, lawnmower etc. On the outboards, I always change the lower unit oil, the crank case oil, add Sta-bil to a full tank, run it for awhile, squirt oil in each cylinder, put in new plugs (cheap insurance for like $3 each a season), squirt oil in each cylinder, pull the rope to circulate the oil, Lube the fittings and put a coat of wax on the boat and motor. And I also remove the props, grease the spline and bring the props into my basement for a little end of season touch ups.

Whole process takes me a sunny Sunday morning in the fall for all my toys. This is why I hate to buy anything used. Most people don't take care of their stuff like most of us on these boards do

I've never used fogging oil, never saw the need for it.

 

[paultjohnson]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

Years ago for any of my gas motors that were going to be laid up for 8 months of our Northeast winters or the opposite storage months for my Snow blowers.

I used to follow the manuals and empty the tanks and let motor run dry. Looks like over the years the motor manufacturers have reversed their thinking as with 4 stokes the last thing the inside of the cylinders saw was a wash down of gas. I always used to pull the plugs and squirted in an ounce of oil followed by putting the plug back in and pulling the cord a few times to circulate the oil onto the cylinder walls.

2 years ago, I pulled the plug on a snow blower, squirted in an ounce or two of oil and pulled the cord. The last thing I saw was me getting hosed down with a spray of 2 ounces of oil

But now I put a few ounces of Sta-bil in the tank. Let it run on the muffs for awhile to get the Stab-bil well circulated through the fuel system of my 2 stokes, 4 stokes, lawnmower etc. On the outboards, I always change the lower unit oil, the crank case oil, add Sta-bil to a full tank, run it for awhile, squirt oil in each cylinder, put in new plugs (cheap insurance for like $3 each a season), squirt oil in each cylinder, pull the rope to circulate the oil, Lube the fittings and put a coat of wax on the boat and motor. And I also remove the props, grease the spline and bring the props into my basement for a little end of season touch ups.

Whole process takes me a sunny Sunday morning in the fall for all my toys. This is why I hate to buy anything used. Most people don't take care of their stuff like most of us on these boards do

I've never used fogging oil, never saw the need for it.

Overall that sounds great..The only thing that I can see to comment on is on the 2 strokes you are not getting the lower end covered with oil. If I am reding this right. Connecting rod and crank shaft end. After reading some of these posts it sounds like alot of people dont either and never have problems. Im old school and stuck it my ways and will continue fogging thru the carb. [ not saying my way is better] Its just what I believe in. Oily metal tends not to rust or corrode as easily as bare metal IMHO

 

[8hygro]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

In temps below freezing you do not have humidity and condensation concerns. Oscilating temps near freezing I would prefer starting the engine up and running for oil circulation occasionally.

There is a large difference in two stroke oils usually reflected in price. Use a quality pre-mix before storage if you do not other times. I really like the yamaha products and availability is decent for the average guy. Thier is some very high quality two stroke oils in the motorcycle arena that may be easier to access. If possible I would run an unblended fuel.

Typical seasonal fogging is hugely overated and almost always ill performed. If performed correctly for long term storage protection you would likely want a mechanic to de-winterize it. Marvel Mystery oil works as good as anything if your buying over the counter.

8hygro

 

[paultjohnson]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

In temps below freezing you do not have humidity and condensation concerns. Oscilating temps near freezing I would prefer starting the engine up and running for oil circulation occasionally.
HMMMM....Living in Mn I know about freezing temps.. IMO there is a huge issue with condensation Look at your car windows frost comes and goes Gotta scrape the frost off the outside of your windows and defroster to keep the inside clear. The drive way will be all frosty in the morning ,the sun comes up and melts it off Sun goes down and and everything frosts over again. A freezer that stays at 0 deg 24/7 will frost up if its not frost free.
Starting it up- and running an engine is gonna add condensation the whole program and the cold start does the most wear on an engine. I respectfully disagree Once again IMHO ...

There is a large difference in two stroke oils usually reflected in price. Use a quality pre-mix before storage if you do not other times. I really like the yamaha products and availability is decent for the average guy. Thier is some very high quality two stroke oils in the motorcycle arena that may be easier to access. If possible I would run an unblended fuel.

Very much agree!

Typical seasonal fogging is hugely overated and almost always ill performed. If performed correctly for long term storage protection you would likely want a mechanic to de-winterize it. Marvel Mystery oil works as good as anything if your buying over the counter.

Overrated and illperformed??? once again Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.....

8hygro

happy day Sorry the parts I was commenting on and my coments are all in the blue WTF Sorry ...

 

[Fisherball]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

Federal law requires MSDS on all chemicals carried in a commercial vehicle. I work for a HVAC company & our service techs have to have MSDS on everything in their truck. If Stabil does not provide them it's big fines for anyone caught without them. They are provided by our suppliers where we buy anything that requires them.

 

[paultjohnson]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

Federal law requires MSDS on all chemicals carried in a commercial vehicle. I work for a HVAC company & our service techs have to have MSDS on everything in their truck. If Stabil does not provide them it's big fines for anyone caught without them. They are provided by our suppliers where we buy anything that requires them.

Its very probable Stabil does provide em. Maybe I just didnt look in the right place.. 109 JB came thru with it from graingers website {or is it JB 109} Good point tho Thank You ! I know what you mean I drove for the Big Brown for awhile and am familiar with the 5 part haz shippin form that you discard when the pkg is delvd.