Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know??

[bruceb58]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

A "friction modifier" as it is used in ATF actually makes the ATF more slippery. As these friction modifiers wear out, mainly with temperature, the transmission gets more grabby and you get more shudder. So its actually the reverse of what you are thinking.

The only way ATF could possibly get abrasive is after its been in a transmission awhile and picks up worn clutch plate material .

I believe we are in agreement it doesn't need to be used in an engine.

 

[Bigperch]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

I should mention that in the spring I open the model airplane engines up and rinse the ATF out with fuel before starting them. Then I add a little extra oil in the first tankful, although I've been told it's not necessary.

They smoke like crazy for that first tank of the season... call it a salute to Al Gore

 

[8hygro]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

Incredible....theres not enough time in the day, for free anyway.

All you hydraulic and lubricant guru's would be amazed where and how plain ol'e tranny fluid is used. Just because the can is labeled "transmission fluid" is clouding the uninformed. Abrasive...I have to tell GE that the next time were looking at 3 million dollar turbines. Make sure you use the right "door hinge lube" the next time you have a squeeky hinge...

Piston ring seal inside a cylinder detiorates because of several reasons. Wear is obviously one another is the build up of a baked on glazing from oils and cumbustion. This glazing will adhere into pores and cross-hatching of the cylinder which the rings will have a tough time sealing through. Good ring seal is maintained by a film of oil being collected and held onto the cylinder wall for lubrication. That is why many do not advocate pre-mix ratios like 50-100:1. There is simply not enough oil to create good ring seal for good power, not that the oil wont lube and the engine survive. Test, after test, after test, prove this. You can find the SAE docs all over the internet from nearly every manufacturer. Often today we have marketing companies selling products and people think thier engine designers. Many of these contrived wear test and bogus standards being touted to one-up have no relevance in the real world applications.

The piston seal on the RC application referenced above is likely of a different design. But the simply use of a "tranny fluid" for cylinder cling and the benifits of its distilliate properties is completetly rational. You guy's would be enlightened at what is often used for assembly lube of ring assemblies on high powered race engines. Initial ring cut-in and ultimate seal quality happens very quickly and then is maintained with the engines oil. These are very specific series of events which require different lubes in order to maximize the engines potential. Slathering everything with 10-40 will work....its not optimum and often will leave deposits that inhibit maximum performance. Today's low tension rings and hard cylinder coating/ring sets require a different thinking.

All this throwing around about "manuals" would be mute if people understood the API. No logic there around your engine design.

Out of time...have fun.

8hygro

 

[skargo]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

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[dan t.]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

Basicly ATF is a 10 weight oil with detergents (try washing your hands in it).viscosity stabilizers,friction modifiers, anti foaming agents,and red dye.It does not have abrasives of any sort. As for damaging injectors a guy I work with has been adding a pint of atf to every fill up in his old 7.3 ford for the last 15 years, still running strong, so more junk science.

 

[skargo]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

Actually junk science is putting ATF where it doesn't belong, like a fuel system.

 

[garyq]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

I put my car away every winter for 5 months ,could i use this for my car too..

 

[dockwrecker]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

So if ATF is abrasive, why doesn't my tranny wear out it's seals and actuators annually and destroy the valve body or why does Bennett and Boat Levelor recommend it's use in their pump systems? It's hydraulic OIL.

 

[garyq]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

My friend uses it every yr not sure of the brand name.. next yr is the yr I get into boating sounds like a lot of work come winter !!!

 

[bruceb58]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

Is it the word "oil" that gets these threads going? Fogging Oil...Snake Oil...

 

[garyq]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

I think ! if you can run your engine once a month you should be okay car wise .
but you guys put your boats to sleep for 3 to four months this is the problem I would say and would most old time boater fogging is okay us car guys would shoot oil down the spark plugs run the engine a bit spray more oil and say good night till spring ........

 

[109jb]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

Is it the word "oil" that gets these threads going? Fogging Oil...Snake Oil...

Don't forget Hydrofoil

 

[bruceb58]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

Don't forget Hydrofoil

Of course.

 

[paultjohnson]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

I think ! if you can run your engine once a month you should be okay car wise .
but you guys put your boats to sleep for 3 to four months this is the problem I would say and would most old time boater fogging is okay us car guys would shoot oil down the spark plugs run the engine a bit spray more oil and say good night till spring ........

That whole run the engine once a month or whatever,just doesnt seem like a good idea IMHO. The cold start puts the most wear and tear on the engine. I would think you would have to run it an hour to get rid of the condensation that might develop in the crankcase. And same with the ehhaust system.
To me it seams like a better idea is to change the oil, put non ox treated gas in her' drive it 15-20 min on the freeway, so oil and exhaust are dry. fog it thru carb, pull plugs, sprray a shot into cylinders let er ' rest till spring..........

 

[garyq]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

I know when I get the boat I will fog and use air to get water out use antifreeze.then drain lower unit of oil and refill ...Have I missed anything here.

 

[paultjohnson]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

OK... Hi Again... OK so I just winterized my boat. I had a can of Berrymans fogging oil with about 2 in left. The propellant had fizzled so I punched a hole in it and dumped it into a jar. Since I needed more I mixed a home batch with stuff I had in the garage. Coleman lantern fuel [100%]Naptha] and 10-30 dino oil. Rough mixed some together in another jar. Approx 2/3 Coleman's to 1/3 oil. Side by side they basically looked and smelled the same.
Then I mixed everything together , put it in a squirt water bottle and fogged my engine.
I think for fun I might do a little test and get a piece of straight stock and cut it into 6 inch pieces or whatever would fit an a plastic peanut butter jar or something. Then I will leave one piece of the metal untreated, cover one with real fog oil, one with a home brew, make a few different ones. Then I will put each piece of stock in different jars with maybe an 2 or 3 inches of water in the bottom. Let em sit in the shed all winter and see how they rust... I would take pics along the way.
Guys [and girls] I know the price of a can of fogging oil is chump change and I am not saying you would save a fortune if you made your own, but it would be nice to know what might work if you needed some in an emergency. Ya know ,winterizing day and the local store is out, its just one more piece of knowledge you could file away in the -good to know file.
So whatchya think ? Anybody interested ? Anybody care ? Any suggestions ?
I probably should have started a new thread with this..

 

[garyq]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

yep I would like to know ,and I will follow your treads and photos. Like you said a fun thing to do . From people with inquiring minds ......

 

[paultjohnson]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

yep I would like to know ,and I will follow your treads and photos. Like you said a fun thing to do . From people with inquiring minds ......

Ok got someone interested... Boat goes to storage tomo. Then its about time to chase those antlered vermin thru the woods [whitetail deer] But I hope to get something set up..Got down to mid 20s here last nite Brrrrrr...

 

[garyq]

Re: Have ya wondered what fogging oil is made of? IVE BEEN CHECKING, Do Ya wanna know

letting your car sit for one month is not going to hurt your car at all ,but like you said let run or take it for a drive to warm up the engine good,, at least 15 mins