How many more?

[DJ]

Re: How many more?

Ditto JB!!!<br /><br />Noone said it was going to be easy.<br /><br />We were in Germany dodging snipers and land mines for seven years after WWII. Was that worth it?Dam right it was.<br /><br />Sad, but true, we lose 18 souls in a Chinook from a SAM. It could have been a 757 here.

 

[snapperbait]

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uh huh.. then when the time came and the U.S. and Britan needed Germany and France, they pooped on us and said "nahh we'll sit this one out"........ Was it worth it? I'm beginning to wonder...

 

[Boomyal]

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Snapperbait: We ain't doin it for Germany or France. We are doing this for the preservation of our way of life and if they happen to benifit from it, so be it. It won't be the first time that America had to show the way.<br /><br />This is a struggle of Biblical proportions and anyone who thinks otherwise is living, in denial, with their head in the sand. We can just give thanks that AL Gore and company were not in charge when this issue came to a head. It is fundementally the same element driving things in Iraq as flew into the Twin Towers. Their goal is the destruction of Western Civilization. <br /><br />Look at the countries that these people control. They are backward, chaotic, barbarian, and you can bet your bottom dollar that if they were in charge, you wouldn't be sitting at your computer playing on the internet.<br /><br />This is a war, let Bush fight it while it's on their soil, not ours.

 

[ebbtide176]

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everyone has their say, so my say is this - bush might be lower than well slime to some. he might be yellah to others. there is a difference though. <br /><br />he made our troops go out there instead of waiting to see if we are going to be pacifistic. or you could call it being diplomatic, i think.<br /><br />me? no, i've been scared of others since i learned the diff in right & wrong. some people don't care. you can avoid them only until you're grown up. then you're at the top of the list of who stands for/against who. <br /><br />i think we've always been ready to protect what we stand for - that's freedom & the right to liberty. now we've been attacked & ridiculed for our way of life, and are hated by others. we accepted that - until we saw, as a country, we have those who wish to annihilate us wholesale. <br /><br />does anyone misunderstand? we still have the few, the proud, the brave, and as we were born, so shall we fight to preserve our way of life. and more importantly, we will fight for others who feel the way we do. i'd rather die killing enemies of my country than die trying to be a pacifist. JMHO<br /><br />so what do we do when we're in a quagmire of a losing battle? we stand & fight, until the majority understands why we're fighting, and rallies behind us. we know we have hatred of us in the middle east. does this mean we should not fight against those who wish us dead? not hardly. our government will follow the wishes of the courageous, not the hardly courageous.

 

[neumanns]

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America: When the going gets toufgh we run... What the heck is this. <br /><br />What bothers me most in this post is not the dissent but rather the people that were not showing dissent early on but have since waivered.<br /><br />Where is your intestinal fortitude? <br /><br />We didn't start this but we will certinly finish it. Why? Cause Bush don't give a dam* what the latest Cnn popularity poll shows...He does whats right and in the long run he will be respected and revered for it.

 

[Topmason]

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he made our troops go out there instead of waiting to see

I'm thinkin our troops were saying "HeLLL yeah, bout time, let's do it"<br /><br />

America: When the going gets toufgh we run... What the heck is this. <br /><br />What bothers me most in this post is not the dissent but rather the people that were not showing dissent early on but have since waivered.<br /><br />Where is your intestinal fortitude? <br /><br />We didn't start this but we will certinly finish it. Why? Cause Bush don't give a dam* what the latest Cnn popularity poll shows...He does whats right and in the long run he will be respected and revered for it.<br />

Helll yes!!<br />What I'd like to know is this?<br />If today, you were the pres of the greatest nation in the world, and given the current situation, AT YOUR HANDS, what the helll would you have done differently????<br />We shoulda been there 9/12, not a year later!<br />Too many people take for granted as "just is" instead of what was fought for and earned.<br />I, having never been in the armed forces(not by choice), have the utmost respect for those that are able to, and do serve our country.<br />God Bless the U.S.A.<br />and phuck those that wanna take "God" outta everything in the world!

 

[rodbolt]

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hello<br /> Ebb<br /> dont worry about speaking out against me or most other veterans I know.(most my family)support it. I mean I think that is why I signed up and served.wanna burn the flag? I will give you the match. I signed away a lifestyle and signed a pledge to give my life that you would have the right to burn it if that was your desire. dont expect me to like it expect me to ignore it. this is not russia or africa or afganistan if someone wants to put a statue of Jesus upside down in a bucket of urine and call it art I signed a pledge to give my life so he/she can do it. all I ask is my government NOT lie to me or the world. be a man take it straight up and go on. when bubba dubya realized he had been misled he should have anted up and fired the whole lot of advisors and CIA directors. but instead he claimeed the war is over and we are just mopping up. so far to many soldiers have paid the price.bad thing really is they and their families get shafted out of thousands of dollars because bubba dubya (one cut above a draft dodger himself) decided to spin it as the combat was over. now anyone dying is not a combat related death or disability.aint no WMD's and the 9-11 thing had nothing to do with Iraq. Iraq was a scapegoat to draw attention fom our good buddies the saudies.bush knew it. Tony Blair Knew it. the french ands the germans knew it. only people that dont get it is the mass public but they are catching on. especially now that the great pumpkin did not rise from the pumpkin patch and reveal any WMD's. <br /> so say your piece that is why I am disabled and others are just not here so everyone can say their piece.

 

[snapperbait]

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If today, you were the pres of the greatest nation in the world, and given the current situation, AT YOUR HANDS, what the helll would you have done differently????

Since you asked..<br /><br />Remove Iraq, Iran, Syria, Isreal, Saudi Arabia, Afganistan, and probably a few others from the face of this earth, and not line my pockets by prolonging the "occupation", then take my Impeachment like a man...

 

[Skinnywater]

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Now your talkin' snapper!!! HUUUAAAHHH!!!<br /><br />WAIT!<br />Huh? Isreal? The only democratically elected government in the whole stinkin' hellhole? The ones that would cover our hineys on the southern front? The ones that have been fighting the same terrorists that attacked us? The enemy of my enemy? The same Isreal that wants peace but can't have it because they're surrounded by a race and a religion that wants them all dead?.........Must have been a misprint.

 

[NOSLEEP]

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I wondered how long it would take. I<br />figured you'd all last a little longer than ya did<br />though. JB get that 45/70 of yours and we will<br />clear a bunch of these painty weights out of the <br />way. Thats some bad asss negative feelings towards<br />the war on terrorism, and a leg up for the very <br />people that would like to slit your throat you<br />infidels.Give up and bring the Boys home? What a<br />slap in the face to every one of these young men<br />and women that have already giving there lives so<br />you could pretend that it was no longer a worthy<br />investment. SHAME!<br />No hard fellings a! JMHO

 

[31900]

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I too was in VietNam but in an Aussie uniform. It's easy to opt out of the hard yards but sometimes you have to take a stand and tough it out. It would have been easy for Australia to ignore many situations in the world because we are a small population. Instead we have been with you in SVN, Korea, Afghanistan, and Iraq. It could be said that by being there it has made us a target for terrorists. But to do nothing with your head in the sand is not really an option. It just makes you an easy target. The loss of life is always tragic. It's a price that must be paid for security. No one detests war more than those who have been there. We have to see this one through. It's a great pity that there are so many ingrates who don't want peace and still defer to Hussein.

 

[ebbtide176]

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rodbolt you're talkin about something i don't know about - are you saying that because the 'major conflict' is over, our military is not providing families of lost loved ones the insurance coverage that would be had otherwise?

 

[Kiwi Phil]

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I have a few points to make.<br />1. I feel you went after the wrong country. Terrorism didn't start in Iraq. Iraq was not a threat to you after the early 90's.<br />2. Iraq had nothing to do with 11 Sep. <br />3. The whole world knew there were no weapons of mass destruction, nor a nuclear weapons program. - except for George, Tony and little Johnny - and they all lied to us.<br />4. The way I see it, Viet Nam had 2 distinct wars. The 1st was one of indenpendance from a colonial master. Wasn't it Ike Isenhower (spelling!) than in around 54 refused to assist the French in VN on the grounds it was a War of Independance. The 2nd was a war or unification. I copied a piece down years ago from some paper or book. JFK had the Canadian Prime Minister (Lester Perason I think) over and asked him for an opion on VN to which he said " get out" to which JFK got antaganised and said something like "what a stupid answer. Everyone knows that, but how?"<br />You want to think seriously about those 2 wars, as being an outsider it occurs to me that you as a nation fought 2 identical wars, one of them not 100 years earlier. <br />5. I fully agree with the Vet who suggested all politians should be in the front row. Put blood buckets on their heads and SLR's under arms, and when the whistle blows, JB and his mates can be the 1st out of the trench screaming banzi. <br />6. How many of you out there have kids on the front line in Iraq, and I mean on the real front line as foot soldiers. <br />7. Swallow your pride, get to he** out, then concentrate on locating and destroying the real terrorists that threaten you. One American kids like is one too many. <br />8. This is only my opinion. I always reckoned that with an enemy there were a few things you had to do. 1st you had to find him, 2nd you had to fix him (confine him that is), and 3rd you used your resourses to destroy or defeat him. When I look at Iraq, I wonder who has done just what to who!!.<br />As you may gather I oppose the war on Iraq. I do support the war on terrorism.<br />Cheers<br />Phillip

 

[Topmason]

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Since you asked..<br /><br />Remove Iraq, Iran, Syria, Isreal, Saudi Arabia, Afganistan, and probably a few others from the face of this earth, and not line my pockets by prolonging the "occupation", then take my Impeachment like a man...<br /><br />

I was thinkin I might get a "realistic" response here, but thanks snap.

 

[88spl]

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Just my 1 cent, but if we were to pull out, how long do you think befor Sadam would be back in power? I agree we should stay and finish what we started. Build them up enough to let them take care of themslves. If we pull out to quickly they would for sure implode.

 

[Skinnywater]

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I'm with you to a point Phillip. I don't know for certain, yet, about WMD's. And it's very possible I was sold a bill of goods about them. If by election time there isn't any found, gone with Bush, Rumsfeld and all the scum with them. The WMD's were the deciding factor on war with Iraq to me.<br />However, we're entitled to make mistakes, especially in war. In this "possible" instance it isn't only our government but its citizens that made a mistake. You and the world however may have to take a backseat until this all gets sorted. Because here are the facts.<br />1. If we pull out, world opinion and domestic will would completely render US impotent in future legitamate actions. It's much, much more then swallowing pride.<br />2. Sadaam didn't comply with the terms of surrender from the last conflict. He's irrelevant and he's gone. Most of his regime are wormdirt and who cares.<br />3. Iran, Syria and very likely Saudi Arabia support, harbor, finance, hide, train, breed, and make legitamate the very terrorists that attack US, you, Isreal and the rest of the free and productive world. Iraq, a place that we have men and machines already in, is in the middle of the enemies world. Instead of whining about "possible" lies and the US being the bad guys, There's a real opportunity to inflict some very real and severe blows to our enemy, here and now! This is the right thing, the most important thing, to do against the very terrorists that are responsible for the grief in the world. This is a direct response to your #8.<br />4. I qualified expert with the M16, M79, M60 back in '72. Today, I'm 48 years old, 5'10 and 200 lbs, with a 34in. waist. I'm perfectly capable and perfectly willing to cry bonzai out of the foxhole with JB. I'd do this in place of my best friends son who is in Iraq, my daughter's fiance who is in Iraq, my 7 year old grandson who very sadly will be in this thing in 10 years, or my fellow countryman who may be in a high building or bridge that will go down.<br />5. Logically weigh our options. Pulling out isn't an option. Fiercely moving ahead is our only option. If you truely support the war against terrorism, forget the bad guy and his fellow wormdirt. And support a massive build up and spearhead into the belly of our enemies, while we have them running.<br /><br />Trust that Bush will get his, after the people get thiers.

 

[SeaMasterZ@aol.com]

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All I have to say is, if yer gonna fight a war, WIN The war, stop f ing around<br /><br />unleash the BIG guns, blow em off the face of the earth, and let God sort em out<br /><br />they, like japan, germany and every other piissant country in the world that has ever taken on the US, has paid the price<br /><br />usually they amassed an army and a navy and an air force, but being filthy dirty cave dwelling ragheads, they have nothing but fleas and fanatics ready to Die for Allah in a neat tidy ball of flame<br /><br />so THEY WANT to die in a BALL OF FLAME<br /><br /> GIVE EM WHAT THEY WANT, NUKE THE BASSTARDS <br /><br />

 

[streadway]

Re: How many more?

they went to iraq to early.where's oshama.it's been over two years and they still haven't found him.over 70% of our military is in the middle east.if they wanted to make a statment on terriziom they should have cut a path through wherever it took to find him.(hell have no furry)all that needed to be done was chase him,he will lead you to his supporters.it's too late to pull out of iraq.the war is all ready started.but i think that we should have went after ben-laden with more force before we went into iraq.

 

[Johnson556]

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I am so glad to here that there are more people out there that think the same. I wished Mr. Bush would read this forum. I wish all troops would come home and Bush would tell everyone where to stick it let them take care of there on. If they came to the USA then run them home if they asked for help tell them they can help themselves all we do is go over there and die for what FREEDOM I don't think so freedom starts here at home.

 

[rodbolt]

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Hello<br /> gotta agree with ya some skinnywater. we were sold a bill of goods on the WMD's I told my fiance and my dad the we eliminated that threat in the early 90's when dubbyas dad stopped short. there again were were fighting with no long range plan. just like today. then we had no doubts about winning just like today. then we had no planning for installing a government that the Iraqi people and culture can live with just like today. like pappa like son. we took out the technical work force in the early 90' most engieers profeesors and scientists cannot program set up and run CNC machining equipment or make things or fix the things and assemble the things needed to make and stockpile WMD's. all that could quietly slipped out of Iraq in the early to mid 90's. if da raghead would have had them he would have used them. the biggest threat is that they would paddle over and toss rocks at us.but all that is neither here nor there. we are in it and its time to unleash the power of the entire U S military not just a few ground pounders with armchair generals that are more concerned with TV ratings and pressed suits then making sure all our sons and daughters come back in one piece.if they hole up in a cave no worries napalm the pee oitta it then seal it with earthmoving equipment and go on to the next.dont kill a bunch of people trying to clear it while CNN films it. we installed saddamy in power. we trained most of his people. our CIA trained osama as well. most of the problems in the middle east our former policy makers created. we are going to lose venezuela as well if some one does not wake up. castro is planting all the seeds of insurgency there and guess what? they have billions of barrels of oil. Iran is trying to open a tractor factory there. margarita island is already a terrorist training camp. the VE president supports any terrorist that is a thorn in our sides. Ebb. its a quirky way the military works. depending on what is officially declared or undeclared or some other technicalities then yep you get shorted and so do you next of kin. most people think military retires get medical dental for life,so did I until I was retired. then I found medical quits at age 65 and there aint no dental.so yep bubba dubbya gets to spin to the world that the combat is over and its the ground pounder that will take it in the shorts. how long did it take to get the (our) government to realize agent orange? how long will it take to realize the gulf war syndrome? how many will be left behind because its a non combat situation so there fore the support is not there? my problem is not with the war. its started so its time to finnish it not just leave. my problem is not with saddamy. he was/is a mean evil rat *******. my problem is there was a total lack of commitment in taking iraq. we placed to few on the ground in the beginning. and CNN should never been allowed broadcast rights. col. Hackworth wrote a book a while back that makes wonderful reading.<br /> anyway I have vented long enough. thanks and good luck and keep posting.