I SEE why our guys are getting killed now

SeaMasterZ@aol.com

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<--Member in good standing of Rednecks Against Genocidal Extremists ...<br /><br />RAGE <br /><br />but of course, its worse than that<br /><br />genocidal maniacs, or whatever you call the pervasive mania of a bunch of cave dwelling, stinking, lousy, worthless bunch of carrion chips to utterly DESTROY a multi ethnic nation such as America<br /><br />no eye for an eye bs<br /><br />theyve taken their shots<br /><br />and now they stand in judgement<br /><br />America must stop being the moderator and nursemaid to the world whilst the assorted scum plink at us<br /><br />This country is the mightiest nation that ever strode the Earth<br /><br /> BREAK OUT THE BIG SH!T AND OBLITERATE THE RAGHEADED SCUM <br /><br /> :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 

Topmason

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"If you refer to someone from Iraq as a raghead, yoouuuu might be a redneck"<br />I don't think Jeff Foxworthy will be reciting that one in his show! :rolleyes:
 

Skinnywater

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A couple of points Toad.<br /><br />I'm positive that not all Islamics hate America or Americans. However a tremendous amount do.<br />And while you may hear a random positive comment about the land of milk and honey (America, btw) from Islamic lips. <br />One thing has been definately missing from the entire group of Islamic leaders and clerics. Would be complete, consistant and strong language condemning the terrorists war against US and our allies.<br />Remember? "For good men to say nothing?" Hmmm?<br /> The people who are in control of the lives and minds of the typical Islamic aren't preaching about how nice the American people are. <br />You could also bet that a Jew wouldn't be high on thier right to life list either.<br /><br />I'm not assuming much if I believed that you don't agree in the US action in Iraq. Or scaring spys into telling plots and plans by shooting a .45 over thier heads.<br />However, your being totally urealistic to think that racism isn't going to be prevelent against a very cruel enemy.<br /><br />It's not taking long for me to notice a pattern.<br />I'll not assume too much. <br />In a short amount of time you've questioned or Constitution, our free market economy, and our healthcare.<br />It's apparent this country isn't getting much support from the government of your commonwealth. It's not any of your nieghbors that are part of the body count.<br />You're close to making a mistake our enemies have, disdain for our government with no respect for the innocent.<br />You're on this board talking war with people that have fellow countrymen, friends and family giving flesh, blood and life,as an outsider.<br />I'm dang sure redneck enough to point this out.<br /><br />By all means and more power to you, sit back with your free healthcare, smoke a little of that legal herb, slam a sixpac of that brew you guys are so proud of. And post about something you have a genuine clue about.<br />As a Canadian, you choose to not have any of our misery or pride .....remember?......
 

Toad2001

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Castaway, I don't think any of the 911 terrorists came from Iraq. Please correct me on this if I am wrong.<br /><br />Consider for a moment you have a certain intellectual capacity, and can ponder this. Then perhaps you can draw a more rational picture in your mind as to why those people were dancing in the streets. Again, I was disgusted. I wanted to reach into the TV screen and punch someone in the face, I am not a sympathizer, or any of the other derogatory names you called me. What happened though, is I became highly motivated for knowledge (which I think you are lacking).<br />The Iraqis were under a long standing and brutal dictatorship.<br />The first Gulf war ended swiftly and humiliatingly.<br />10 years of sanctions caused over 500 000 Iraqis to starve to death or from lack of medicine (brutal conditions).<br />Sept 11 2001, can you now easily see why some news crews would be able to pick up on a story of some "ignorant" Iraqis dancing in the streets when Al Queda struck (most of whom were from Saudi Arabia by the way). The Iraqis finally saw something bad happen the Americans...Even though it wasn't their doing.<br /><br />Your quote:<br />"BREAK OUT THE BIG SH!T AND OBLITERATE THE RAGHEADED SCUM "<br />Again, very ignorant of the facts. Why would you do this? Its not the Iraquis. Its Al Queda, which is now scattered all through S.E. Asia, Europe, and the Middle East.<br />If you break out the big **** in Iraq, you'll breed even more resentment and hatred towards the US, plus you'll screw up the oil reserves which is probably the main reason bullets are truly flying anyway. <br />You'll also speed up that inevitable radioactive suitcase.
 

Toad2001

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Sorry Skinnywater, if this is a US only board, I will abstain from posting, no problemo.<br />Just let me know, and you few can debate amongst yourselves.<br />I was participating because I thought I could provide some fresh insight to this section of the board (cause I'm a bit bored), although I don't think theres much hope for RedneckRay.<br /><br />By the way, Canada is still in Afghanistan, remember that place, Osama and all that? Its still an unresolved hotbed of terrorism? Probably shoulda been mopped up before Iraq, and you know if it had the US probably could have had unlimited resources.<br />Don't slam Canada or other nations for not being in your war in Iraq when a huge chunk of your own population doesn't support it either.
 

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some specifics: to date we have lost 400 servicemen<br />and women in Iraq, half during the occupation and<br />half during the invasion. we are simply better<br />prepared for attacking and conquering, not peacekeeping.<br />how to deal with a tank coming at you is easy...<br />a woman with 2 children walking up you with a<br />grenade in her pocket is quite different.<br />although even one fallen serviceman is too much,<br />400 total fatalities in this endeavor is much<br />less than I would have expected. I think we are<br />doing just fine!<br />my .02,<br />M.Y.
 

Skinnywater

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No this isn't a US board and your input shouldn't be ignored.<br />However, Many on this list see the smoke from the twin towers different then you. Don't make the assumption that Ray couldn't see that smoke without loosing someone he knew.<br />Doing this only points out the lack of respect and your own ignorance that I spoke of.<br /><br />Another is making a point in comparison about body counts. <br />A big difference since in our first year in one war had 1200 men involved and another that had over 200,000. <br /><br />Another, is I've never slamed Canada. I just respectfully disagree. And I've voiced my concern about you pushing your cancer here.<br /><br />Another point is, your own sources of information or prejuduces. At the time of our action in Iraq support was overwhelming. And now, it isn't "a huge chunk." It's more like a few, many that are being influenced by your own particular type of cancer.<br /><br />I'm not sure a Canadian is respectful in commenting on American deaths. Especially since in not done in the form of respectfulness.<br />This all relates to the "clue" I spoke of.
 

Toad2001

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Skinnywater, please don't belittle me because I live a 30 minites drive from the border. I was affected at least as much as any American the day the twin towers fell.<br /><br />I am very respectful for every loss of life. That includes civilians on both sides.<br />Heres an example link if you want to further research your countries polling statistics for war.<br /><br /> http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm <br /><br />I am going to stick to the repairs section. <br />I have boats, performance and antique cars and better things to do with my time than debate.<br /><br />Ciao.
 

Skinnywater

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Toad, let me sincerely apologies if I've become to personal.<br /><br />Please understand that we are in a time of war.<br />Things get very real in times of war. Prejudices, emotions and these topics.<br /><br />Please note, criticism can be softened with some praise. It might have helped.
 

Bob in Calif.

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Poll's are controlled by who takes them and by whom has paid for the poll.<br /><br />If a poll was taken on this forum and favored a consertive subject, I suspect the outcome would be 90+ percent in favor.<br /><br />It the ACLU did a poll of their views on a subject, the same positive 90 percent would melt down to less than 10 percent.<br /><br />CBS is a quite liberal organization and will hire a "poll-taker", who will reflect their own liberal views.<br /><br />That is why you won't see some organization like the Fox News Channel hire a "friend" of the the ACLU to take a poll for them. :eek: <br /><br /> ...Bob In Calif...
 

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thank you Bob. now when can we expect another neutral television station to come into power?
 

Bob in Calif.

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Hi Ebb.......<br /><br />I think Fox News is quite neutral. The have broadcasters from both the right and the left. On occasion, they both make sense at the same time!!<br /><br />Fox usually does their own polls, but does report results from other polling sources and often say who sponsered the poll.<br /><br />I don't you will find that in many, if any, other media sources.<br /><br />Having done many news/press releases from the late 60's in to the mid-90's, both in text,live and taped radio and tv broadcasts, you learn real quick which broadcasting corporation has their affiliates edit what the corporate headquarters want them to delete and then ad-lib. Due the "censoring" by some of these parties, I would change the amount information I would give those who censored or rewrote my releases and more information to those allow the whole story to be told truthfully and present the same to watchers, listeners and readers. <br /><br />Polls can be easily manipulated by the pollisters, just like how some people try to rewrite history. "What would you like to hear?"<br /><br />As I have said for years.............<br />"Always tell the truth, there's less to remember"<br /><br /> ...Bob in Calif... <br /> :D (Retirement is underrated) :D
 

SeaMasterZ@aol.com

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you are completely right toad, I do lack for knowledge<br /><br />cause I Dont understand how, when a nation or country or flea infested sand hole sanctions the actions of a terrorist group, provides funds and gives safe haven, allows training camps to exist within their borders, is then found not culpable for the actions of said group<br /><br />and before any chit can be said about individual free rights, understand this, they have no rights over there, rather, they HAD no rights under hussein, he would torture and kill anyone he wanted dead or out of the way<br /><br />caught stealing?<br /><br />chop off the hand and foot, stanch the flow of blood, throw em in a truck<br /><br />so there are no rights, an unwanted group would be blown across the sand like confetti<br /><br />they WANT al-quida, cause they HATE America, for whatever reason<br /><br />want to erase the threat of that nuclear suitcase, that one or two events that may happen?<br /><br />tell the heads of state of the nations that allow al quida to operate within their borders, that if a device goes off in america, it is the same as declaring war on america<br /><br />it will result in their capital and five largest hut-huddles being vaporized<br /><br />watch the camels and rags flying to get them out of their country<br /><br />that there was no reflexive recoil in this country to immediatly strike back is perhaps the greatest thing Bush ever did, for lets be real here, the best that any of them could do would be catastrophic yes, one low yeild bomb in NY harbor would paralyze the financial center of the world and fill every critical care bed in the entire nation, but that is all they could do ...<br /><br />in return, with mininmal effort, with NO effort, without depleting even ONE PERCENT Of Americas nuclear stockpile, America would green glass the lot of them, whichever nation, gone, completely gone. a radioactive cratered wasteland<br /><br />these fleabitten ragheaded scum cant play the "we didnt do it" game<br /><br />you condone terrorists<br /><br />you ARE terrorists<br /><br />and you die by your own flaming sword<br /><br /> :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
 

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Just 2 cents on this topic.<br /><br />First, let us remember that the Canadians risked their own diplomats to rescue American diplomatic prisoners in Iran back in 1979. Not many other countries would have lifted a finger. Also, Canadians fought Adolph Hitler for two years on land and on the sea before we took a stand.<br /><br />Secondly, in the single Battle of Okinawa 5000 American sailors died. Since the collaps of Iraq we have lost approximately 150, or about the same number of murder victims in our nation's capitol.<br /><br />While every death, or injury, to a coalition combatant is tragic, we must keep the level of losses in perspective. <br /><br />Best wishes,<br /><br />Jinx
 

SeaMasterZ@aol.com

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reposting this post just in case toad overlooked it, I did address the notion of FIGHTING FAIR (excuse me while I VOMIT :mad: :mad: :mad: )<br /><br />this is the reality of "The Deal", this is where America comes from, in my uneducated, unenlightened idealist View Of Life :rolleyes: <br /><br />hmmmmmmmmmmmmm<br /><br />how many died on 9-11? five thousand? four thousand?<br /><br />THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN LIVES?????????????<br /><br />oh, but fight FAIR, fight by the RULES<br /><br />BULLCHIT<br /><br />WHAT RULES?<br /><br />THIS IS AMERICA<br /><br />WE DID NOT START THIS WAR<br /><br />WE WILL FINISH IT IF THE MILITARY CAN TAKE ITS LACE COVERED GLOVES OFF AND FIGHT THESE RAGHEADED SCUM<br /><br />ON THEIR OWN TERMS!!!!<br /><br />and now oh wise an learned men of this post OPPOSED to getting THE JOB DONE and getting our boys OUT OF THERE<br /><br />I take you back some 225 years, when the "Colonies" finally got fed up with good ol King George and said ENOUGH!!!! AMERICANS you see, ANGRY Americans, and they fought the British in the British style, by the rules ... like the Roman Phalanx, all in neat rows, and were getting DECIMATED by the overwhelmingly superior British Forces<br /><br />being Americans, resourceful, intelligent, and consumed with the will to WIN, said SCREW these "rules" and broke off into splinter renegade units, ambushing and sniping and generally raising HELL with the British<br /><br />Demoralized, homesick and ultimately DEFEATED, the British went home, and the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WAS BORN<br /><br />Do you GET IT? The scum have upped the ante, AND THEY ATTACK US ON OUR OWN LAND WITH JETS AND BOMBS AND AMBUSH OUR BOYS AND GIRLS EVERY GOD DAMMN DAY OVER THERE, THESE ARE OUR RULES, LET OUR BOYS WIN THIS DAMMN WAR AND GET OUT OF THERE<br /><br />so some terrorist piece of sh!t peed his pants cause some mean soldier shot a few rounds off??<br /><br />its WAR what the hell do you expect him to do, invite him to a spot of TEA???<br /><br />General Patton would slap the snot out of all you pacifists, he must be rolling over in his grave<br /><br /> :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: <br /><br />read it over a few times, til the meaning sinks in, til the lesson taught takes hold<br /><br />when one strategy fails, implement another<br /><br />I tell ya, if it was me, I would line five of the ragheaded scumbags up, and blow four of em AWAY, and tell the fifth one, spill your guts or Ill do it for ya<br /><br />they are real good at dying when its a bomb blowing them into a million shreds inside a nursery or a day care center, not so good when taken apart a piece at a time, and they have to die as they kill, maimed, slowly, suffering, the ones that jumped from the towers in a 1000 foot free fall didnt do so because they were suddenly suicidal, they didnt want to be BURNED TO DEATH<br /><br />HORROR<br /><br /> TERROR <br /><br />and maybe I am naive, but Truman brought Japan a horror they could not comprehend<br /><br />they sure LEARNED THE LESSON THOUGH<br /><br />we need another Truman, come to think of it, they didnt screw around with Reagan either<br /><br />cause they KNEW he would push the button on em<br /><br />none of this drop to their level crap, no US issue camels and the like, we blew up hundreds of nukes in our test range in nevada, lets use the "terrorist friendly" nations in the middle east as the New Testing Ground, get the boys OUT, send the bombers IN<br /><br />Kill the Hydra, and the heads stop sprouting
 

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Nothing like throwing gasoline on an open fire, but here goes.<br /><br />I think what some individuals are missing here is that there is more at stake than losing "a few American lives" here. Many nations in the world are watching and waiting for us to mess this thing (Iraq) up here. We are in this to make the world, and us, safe from terrorism. If we lower ourself to those that we are fighting, then we lose any sense of credibility to the rest of our world. And, yes we do need world support to do this right. Remember as a kid and mom or dad told you to do something and then the other parent said don't worry about it? This is the same thing only on a much grander scale. If the leaders of the world can't come to an agreement, then why should anyone listen to us? All they (terrorists) have to do is play both sides against each other and they win.<br /><br />Walleyehed, remember that Pravda is a Russian run news network that is still written by many that want communism back and were brought up to tell the Russian people what they were supposed to hear. Just as the average American newspaper is written on an eight grade reading level, Pravda is designed to perpetuate its readers level of understanding. If any newspapers readers cannot comprehend upper-level critical thinking, then the editors must offer the readers what they want to hear or lose money. Not trying to make a slam, just want to remind you that there are two sides to every story.<br /><br />Ray, hate to burst your bubble here dude, but we Americans simply got lucky in 1776 that we were not facing the cream of the crop of the British army. The British were way over-extended (kind of like we are now) and had a choice: do they remove forces from England and risk an invasion from France (still a world power at this time) or do they remove forces from India and lose spices, gold, ivory, etc...? Don't get me wrong, our forefathers risked life and limb and for that I am eternally grateful, but when the British started to fight on American Revolutionary levels, they lost the support of the 1/3 of the population that still supported England as well as the 1/3 that could care less. What happens if we lose support of those in the middle east that support out aims?<br /><br />As far as Patton, even he stated that America needed people like George Marshall and Dwight Eisenhower to save it from people like himself.<br /><br />The use of Nukes? Last I looked, the world turns and that little side efect called radiation kind of spreads whether you want it to or not.<br /><br />And finally,
we need another Truman, come to think of it, they didnt screw around with Reagan either
It is funny that you would use Truman here because this is the same President that removed MacArthur from command in Korea because he (MacArthur) wanted to use whatever means necessary, including nukes and radioactive materials to end the fighting. Truman new perhaps better than any other president before him, the need to do it right.<br /><br />Before anyone goes on about me not caring about the loss of American live, I have several family members as well as past students serving overseas today. I am constantly worried about their safety and am grateful that they wear their uniforms with pride and dignity and are willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to insure that this thing is done right.
 

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hello<br /> Hiyas Tlands. I am glad you can dictate, puncuate and have decent keyboarding skills. alas I am somewhat lazy but at least you wont get slammed for killing the english language. I have to agree with your last post. I spend a bit of time overseas and a lot of people wonder about how commited we are and are we just after oil. if our current administration does not do something soon south america will become a terrorist training camp. come to think of it it has already begun. most russians,south americans and islamic peoples I deal with have no hatred of americans. they mostly want to clothe and feed their families as well. we ran so many scenarios during our military security drills it was not funny. the towers on 9-11 were a question of when not if. what we found was if an individual or group wishes to die and take others there is absolutely nothing you can do. Isreal is finding this out now. it is a problem with no solution in sight. but as a world police force we really are not ready. we have the fineist military on the planet but very little training or resolve to be world cops. wish I had an answer but I dont. all I know is that some of the russian sailors I was trained to kill have been known to blow the froth of a few with me.<br /> Good luck and I hope you dont get called names like I did.
 

Toad2001

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Castawayray.<br /><br />Will you ever comprehend the simple fact that it wasn't Iraq who attacked the US on 911?<br /><br />You seem to be great at making little angry faces. Perhaps you should re-read this post, or buy a vowel or something...apparently you still don't understand.
 
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