jetski thief shot dead.

[1980Coronado]

Re: jetski thief shot dead.

....statistically, not even close.....respectfully.
14 year old boys (and girls) are, now more than ever, no where near mature or responsible enough to be making decisions like the one he chose to make.
This is why the parents have a certain amount of (legal) accountability in this....at least until the age of adult hood which is...what 17 years old these days?

Now that said, it's a shame the guy on the receiving end wasn't more of a real thief....like a young Bernie Madoff

Interesting situation all in all and it I guess we'll see how it plays out for them.
BP

In Wisconsin they close school on opening day of deer season. The 14 year olds are out hunting with their own shot guns along side their fathers. They don't close the schools here in rural IN, but it's a very similar situation. Many young men are out hunting with their own shot guns, right along side their fathers. They are mature enough to handle a fire arm because they have been trained from a very young age in the proper use of them. I'd hazard a guess that there are more hunting accidents among adults who consume alcohol, than with teenagers. It is a very normal part of growing up in some parts of the country. At the age of 18, we put automatic weapons in their hands an trust them to defend the country. I agree that a 14 year old who lives in an anti-gun house, would not be mature enough to handle a weapon. That type of parent is a rare breed around here. Most of the crime around here, is Meth related....they steal ingredients from the farmers....unless they get caught!

 

[jasoutside]

Re: jetski thief shot dead.

Being a hunter sure helps with the ability to comfortably handle a firearm (I don't think we know he was a hunter).

But holy moly guys.

There is a tremendous difference between sighting in the shoulder of a deer while sitting quietly in a tree stand and putting a bead on a human head in the middle of a life/death moment. At 14 years of age no less.

Those are two entirely different scenarios, in my world anyway.

 

[wifisher]

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In Wisconsin they close school on opening day of deer season. The 14 year olds are out hunting with their own shot guns along side their fathers. They don't close the schools here in rural IN, but it's a very similar situation. Many young men are out hunting with their own shot guns, right along side their fathers. They are mature enough to handle a fire arm because they have been trained from a very young age in the proper use of them. I'd hazard a guess that there are more hunting accidents among adults who consume alcohol, than with teenagers. It is a very normal part of growing up in some parts of the country. At the age of 18, we put automatic weapons in their hands an trust them to defend the country. I agree that a 14 year old who lives in an anti-gun house, would not be mature enough to handle a weapon. That type of parent is a rare breed around here. Most of the crime around here, is Meth related....they steal ingredients from the farmers....unless they get caught!

Well, opening day is on a Saturday every year, so yes the schools do close for it. A lot of the schools close for ALL of (gun)deer season.

 

[WIMUSKY]

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When seconds count, the police are only minutes away. I have no patience or sympathy for thieves. If you commit yourself to stealing, you deserve whatever you get. No exceptions, no bleeding heart here, just the way it should be.

Even if it's death. It still amazes me how many people are willing to pull the trigger because someone is attempting to steal their "stuff".

Jr NEVER should have approached the perp with a gun. His mother NEVER should have let Jr out the door with a gun. If the perp was approaching the house, then yes, they should arm themselves. 911 should have been called. Jr could have stood at the back door and yelled at the perp, the cops are on their way. Maybe the perp would have just left. The cops still could have caught him. I guess we'll never know.

There's no question the perp put the wheels in motion by showing up at the residence to steal a jet ski. However, the family had the choice whether to escalate the situation or not. As someone mentioned, make your choices wisely.

I believe the perp was shot in the head. Can you imagine the damage that was done with a shotgun? That vision will be forever burned in Jr's mind.

As stated, in WI and other states kids are hunting by age 14, usually at the latest. In the northwoods they're not carrying shotguns, they're carrying high powered rifles. I shot my first deer at 14 with a 30-06 semi-auto. Kids around here grow up around guns. It would take some doing to find a home without guns and at least one shoulder mount of a deer. It's a way of life. These kids that are in the woods are properly trained. Not only is dad training them, but, they have to go thru, and pass, a hunter safety course before they can go out hunting.

Maybe it's the area I live in, but most people buy guns for hunting, plinking, whatever. Not so much for personal safety. However, I wouldn't want to walk into most of my neighbors homes at 3am either.

 

[jasoutside]

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Even if it's death. It still amazes me how many people are willing to pull the trigger because someone is attempting to steal their "stuff".

Jr NEVER should have approached the perp with a gun. His mother NEVER should have let Jr out the door with a gun. If the perp was approaching the house, then yes, they should arm themselves. 911 should have been called. Jr could have stood at the back door and yelled at the perp, the cops are on their way. Maybe the perp would have just left. The cops still could have caught him. I guess we'll never know.

There's no question the perp put the wheels in motion by showing up at the residence to steal a jet ski. However, the family had the choice whether to escalate the situation or not. As someone mentioned, make your choices wisely.

I believe the perp was shot in the head. Can you imagine the damage that was done with a shotgun? That vision will be forever burned in Jr's mind.

Great post WIMUSKY, couldn't agree more.

 

[2 Eagles]

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I think it's rather interesting that so many of the press are quick to point out that the would-be thief was "deaf". Last I checked, you'll find an entire community of deaf people that will tell you any time you ask, that hearing impairment makes them no less normal than male pattern baldness.

So he was "deaf"? I thought that was a remark some of you was just saying. That still doesn't change anything and is no reason to steal. Deaf or not he made a bad choice in life and payed with his life. And Jr. is never going to forget what happened.

 

[wifisher]

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So he was "deaf"? I thought that was a remark some of you was just saying. That still doesn't change anything and is no reason to steal. Deaf or not he made a bad choice in life and payed with his life. And Jr. is never going to forget what happened.

The way I understand it, the thief was a deaf/mute. I think that mute part will have more bearing on this case, IF the shooter claimed that the thief said he was armed. If he is a deaf/mute, it is pretty obvious that he said no such thing.

Remember, this is basically just speculation because none of us know the details of the shooting. We are basing this entire argument on a couple of news stories that were written by journalists that seem to have the writing prowess of the average fifth grader.

 

[mnypitboat]

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Criminals like unarmed victims. That being said, we, as gun owners, must make some very quick and very serious decisions when put in this situation. I read a story about a lady that was attacked while in her shower. The perp drug her into her bed and began to assault her. She pulled a loaded, non locked gun out of her dresser and shot him until her magazine was empty. He stumbled outside and died on the front lawn. Thank God she didnt have it in a safe or didnt have some trigger lock on it.

I was involved in a situation about a year ago where I pulled a gun on an extremely large man at a gas station. After backing out in front of me and stopping to send a text message right in front of me, I tapped the horn. Well this apparently pissed him off, so he gets out and comes at me. At first I was like, screw this guy, but I was stuck, couldnt go back, couldnt go forward. As he verbally asaulted me I simply sat there, until he went to grab me(top down on Jeep), I stuck my 9mm in his face. By now I heard the police sirens coming, so I kept him there. Police arrested him. Trust me, had he continued to approach me, he would have been DRT!! No way I could have defended myself any other way against this neanderthal. Police said I was completely justified in pulling my gun out. At the time I did not have a permit, but the gun was properly stored in a case, having just come from the range. When he became beligerant I loaded it and got it ready.

I have since taken the concealed class etc. So has my daughter of 12. The instructor also said if I felt threatened in any way I was completely justified. I still keep my gun in a safe location but not completely out of reach of my daughter, but I promise you, weapon or not, if someone threatens me or my family, any one of the three of us know how to use and will use the gun.

Now, back to this situaltion, this guy approached the perp. OK. My daughter and my wife will never do this, and my daughter has been tought otherwise. I might, but they better not. Call 911 and hide. If they approach the house, get the gun ready. Plain and simple.

Kids play with guns, just like anything else, when they are not exposed to them. You hide stuff from a kid,. they will figure out a way to get to it. Trust me.

 

[ezmobee]

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I would think burglary would be a pretty poor career choice for a deaf person.......



I thought what I read was that the perp's father was deaf? I forget and am too lazy to re-read.

 

[2 Eagles]

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If he was deaf how did Jr. get his attention in the frist place. So that he lift the jetski to come at him? Tap him on the shoulder? These news reporters need to get all there info before writing any story. I cann't wait to see what the write next. I'm sorry this is a bad thing that happened, but I'm starting to thank that the news people need to stop and thank before they report something. News reporters are reporting what every the thank will make there ratings go up insted of the truth.

 

[scipper77]

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If he was deaf how did Jr. get his attention in the frist place. So that he lift the jetski to come at him? Tap him on the shoulder?

If you were stealing a jet ski in broad daylight wouldn't you be aware of your surroundings?? I doubt you could get close enough to tap him on the shoulder without him seeing you.

 

[wifisher]

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If he was deaf how did Jr. get his attention in the frist place. So that he lift the jetski to come at him? Tap him on the shoulder?

Nobody ever said that Jr. got his attention before he shot him.

 

[sasto]

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Update


The alleged accomplice of a man killed attempting to steal a jet ski won't face murder charges after all, prosecutors said Monday.
Carolina Lopez, 19, was originally charged with second-degree murder after her boyfriend, Reynaldo Munoz, was shot and killed by a homeowner after Munoz tried to steal a WaveRunner from a Miami Shores home in May.
But Lopez's charges were reduced to third-degree grand theft Monday and she will be granted bond on the lesser charge, her attorney Anthony Alvarez said.
"We have reached an agreement with the State Attorney's Office. We will be bonding her out of jail," he said. "This is a tragic situation for all involved. We are hopeful there will be a resolution for all parties concerned."
The Miami-Dade State Attorney's Office said they changed the charge because of the "evidence presently in our possession."
Under state law, an accomplice to a felony crime can be held responsible for the death of a suspect during the commission of the crime.
Police said Lopez dropped 20-year-old Munoz off to steal the watercraft and waited in a waterway for her boyfriend to return with the pilfered WaveRunner.
As Munoz entered the backyard of attorney Jeffrey Davis, he was confronted by Davis' wife and teenage son. The teen, who was armed with a shotgun, shot Munoz, who died on the scene.
No charges have been filed against Davis' son.

 

[CobiaXL]

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Shoot first and ask questions later...The crime rate would decrease by more then half in this country.

 

[Tim Frank]

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He was confonted by the son AND the wife?
Didn't get that from the original reports.

 

[JRJ]

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Meanwhile, an Oklahoma pharmacist was given life in prison for shooting a teenage robber in his store.

 

[soggy_feet]

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As usual, its tough to have a solid justification for what happened without being there, but to address any of the above posts that said its a shame that the kid shot an unarmed intruder, YOU DONT KNOW HE'S UNARMED until after the fact.

From a shooters standpoint, if there's concern of a threat, you neutralize it. What if the thief WAS armed? A threat of harm is a threat of harm, visual proof or not.

In a hypothetical, lets say I confront you, and say I have a gun, and you have a gun.
You can wait to see if I pull my gun on you, and potentially kill YOU, or you can shoot, and know you're safe.

Only problem I see is, the kid should have aimed for center of mass, not a headshot. Bigger target, less chance of a miss.

 

[jtmarten]

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Meanwhile, an Oklahoma pharmacist was given life in prison for shooting a teenage robber in his store.

Were the circumstances identical to this situation?? Doubtful.
Florida and Oklahoma may have vastly different self defense laws as well.

 

[jtmarten]

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Shoot first and ask questions later...The crime rate would decrease by more then half in this country.

As soon as half the criminals are taking dirt naps!!! LOL There's only 1 real deterent.

I think if a criminal gets 'liberated' in self defense while committing a crime, the shooter should get a reward from the courts, maybe a % of what they saved the rest of us on court costs, public attorney salaries, short and long term incarceration costs, insurance payouts for stolen property, etc.

 

[Micahhaase]

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Meanwhile, an Oklahoma pharmacist was given life in prison for shooting a teenage robber in his store.

The reason the Oklahoma Pharmacist was given life in prison was after the 2 teens came in the store he shot the first one putting the teen down and ran after the first one.

After he came back in he went over to the teen which had no weapon and was wounded and wasn't getting up and put 4 or 5 more shots into him killing him.

If he would have killed him with the first shot it would have been self defense. Since he came back in and killed him after he was neutralized he was charged with murder.