Limited to 9.9hp

slowleak

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The boat is in mint shape, never painted, never even scratched. The trailer is from another boat, the trailer that this came with has 12" wheels and I found it easier to launch in the lake with the lower trailer.
The motor numbers are 3927567, I've not been able to get an exact year from the numbers for some reason on any of the online sources.
There's a yellow stencil marking on the motor, I believe its on the recoil assembly that reads 7/1973. The motor may not have ever been used before I got it this past October. It still had all the hang tags on it and the plastic bag with the owners manual. The motor was on a stand next to the boat when it was found. It came from a barn in PA.
There was also a case of old style Quicksilver Formula 50 two stroke oil in screw top cans in the boat, with none of the cans ever being opened. The original metal fuel tank was free from any gas smell.
The plastic 6 gallon tank in the pic belonged to a buddy of mine. I now run a newer 3 gallon plastic tank.
The boat floor was covered loosely in green astroturf, as was the front seat bench. I removed the carpet right away and have two small thin rubber mats in the boat where my feet sit. I carry a small jump pack to power the fish finder to save weight.

I took a good look at the motor bracket, it has two bolt holes at the very bottom, but they line up just inside the middle knee brace, meaning that the holes would run into the side walls of the brace, not the flanges. The motor can't be moved to the side because the screw clamps straddle the brace tightly on both sides.

The part that gets me most is how much water the two blade prop seems to be moving, the wake and prop wash behind the boat is huge. I find it hard to get the bow to come down, even with the second passenger sitting all the way forward. It moves the fastest with him just ahead of the middle bench.

I run with the fuel tank between my feet, but it don't seem to make much difference where I put it, its not enough weight to really matter.
The boat sits nicely in the water when loaded, the spray rails are well above the water and I've got ample freeboard.

I'm sort of thinking the situation here is sort of like a car spinning its wheels on a hill and digging a rut, the motor is working hard and doing its job but not getting anywhere. With this analogy in mind, it makes me think its a matter of the prop taking too big a bite too soon. On car, you have several gear ratios, on a boat, your always in high gear so to speak.
The prop seems to be moving water out from under the boat faster than the hull can progress forward against the now hill of water ahead.
 

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From the Mercury Marine database the SN dates to a 1974 Model 100 9.8 hp. There should be another code somewhere - either an M or a ML.

Don't use that oil. Give it to a recycler.
 

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I don't think there is any problem with the Old Formula 50. If it was stored in the attic in the desert maybe its questionable.
It was intended for that motor; the motor hasn't changed and neither has the oil.
 

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Contrary to public opinion, 2 cycle oil does have a shelf life. Oil is oil, but the additives don't have indefinite stability.

Oil is pretty cheap - why take a chance with a brand new 40 year old classic?
 

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According to the 67 Starcraft chart you have the Super Star, 185 lbs, 57" beam,16" transom,50" wide. 28 hp rating. 800 capacity. Don't forget the weight of boat and motor in your figures
I looked up A 9.9 merc test; a 11ft Whaler tender, 424 lbs,84 lb motor 20 lbs gas. guessing 180 lb driver I get 708 lbs and it runs 18.5 mph. at 5650 rpm.A 9.8 on a reasonably fast boat, light driver, should run about 20-21 mph.
 
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slowleak

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According to the 67 Starcraft chart you have the Super Star, 185 lbs, 57" beam,16" transom,50" wide. 28 hp rating. 800 capacity. Don't forget the weight of boat and motor in your figures
I looked up A 9.9 merc test; a 11ft Whaler tender, 424 lbs,84 lb motor 20 lbs gas. guessing 180 lb driver I get 708 lbs and it runs 18.5 mph. at 5650 rpm.A 9.8 on a reasonably fast boat, light driver, should run about 20-21 mph.

Everything matches the Super Star specs except the weight and max hp.
The coast guard plate on mine says 20hp max and when we weighed the bare hull we got 293 lbs.
The scale that we used to weigh the hull is one that was used to weigh the motor which matches its advertised weight so I'm inclined to think the scales at least pretty close.
Even with just me in the boat, sitting as far forward as I can, it still acts the same with almost no change.
I guess I need to start with trying a doelfin, and the try various props.
 

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slowleak; I'm sort of thinking the situation here is sort of like a car spinning its wheels on a hill and digging a rut said:
Your description reminds me of when i'm in my boat in the bay when the swell and chop is heavy. The transom of my boat sinks down low and the boat is putting out a huge wake while i'm trying not to jump swells in fear or sinking the boat.

Sounds like you tried everything except another boat. You and your fishing buddy should borrow another 14' boat and stick your Merc on it and see what happens.
 

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I just picked up a 12' Duranautic off CL, if the water isn't hard this afternoon. The 12' hull is wider and a bit flatter than the 14' Starcraft. It weighs 127 lbs, has a 55" beam and is rated for 10hp max and 550 lbs max capacity.
I bought it for the motor that came with it, yhe boat is too small for me to really use but the 18hp Johnson runs great. Its a 50's model FD12 model. I'd be afraid to try the 12' boat with that motor but it maybe an option for the 14' hull.

I've got three hydrofoils to try, one is a Doelfin, one is a Stingray, the other is aluminum. The Doelfin has the least surface area, the stingray is thinner and a bit wider at the rear.

Has anyone ever seen a comparison done between various fins?
 

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I use to run a 25 HP motor on my 12' Klamath so 18 HP shouldn't be an issue. I thought you were limited to under 10 HP?

I think Hydrofoil's are pretty much the same. They make getting on plane easier and that's about it. Last time I looked in a Bass Pro Shops catalog they had a snap together hydrofoil. No drilling required. Not sure if they make em for smaller outboards.
 

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If the fin will be dragging in the water when on plane, then use the thinnest one, which will most likely the aluminum one. It will have less drag and not restrict the top speed as much. Used correctly a fin is not dragging in the water when on plane.
 

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Has anyone ever seen a comparison done between various fins?

Trailer Boats Magazine did a shootout of all the major brands 20 years ago or so. There were subtle differences among the designs (i.e., time to plane, top speed, performance with a skiier behind, etc.) but for practical purposes none stood out as best.

When i read the story it confirmed my 10 years experience with a DoelFin on several boats, and completely blew all of the negative forum comments out of the water.

As others have said, they need to be out of the water when on plane. But that's not a revelation either. Anyone that has ever optimized a boat already knew that, whether they have a fin or not.

Raise your motor to its optimum height. Then put on the fin and see the improvement.
 

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We are limited to motors 9.9hp or less in most lakes, other lakes are electric power only.
We can run larger motors in tidal waters and the lower river.

The price was right and the motor runs good so I grabbed it as another option for bigger water.

I saw the clamp on hydrofoils but figured all the added hardware may create even more drag?

I've had many 14' boats over the years and this one is one of the deeper and wider models I've seen.
Newer models are too expensive.

I took the 12' down to some clear water this afternoon, the 9.8 does the same thing on the 12' hull, only worse.
When I hit the throttle hard to take off the stern drops so low below the surrounding water level that it takes on water over the rear corners under the corner plates. A buddy who went with me brought his 6hp Evinrude and that motor moved the boat well without the stern dropping on take off. The 6hp won't plane the boat but it moves the boat along faster than the 9.8hp. He tried the 9.8hp on his 12' flat bottom jon boat and it flew, it buzzed around faster than I'd want to go in small shallow boat in cold water. What I noticed with the 6hp is that it moved the boat right away and the stern never dipped down. The 9.8 sinks first, then thinks about moving before starting to move. The 6hp made almost no wake, the 9.8hp leaves a wake bigger than some 20' boats.
 

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Perhaps try only using 6 hp of the 9.9. :)



Just because the hull is in good shape and the load is within its rating, it doesn't mean the hull will plane.
Not all hulls are designed or shaped the same way. Planing surface does not change as the load increases, so sooner or later it becomes a displacement hull.

I would suggest you look for one of the easiest planing hulls ever made.

That would be the Starcraft hull used on the 16ss, and also on some years of the 16 Mariner.
Its a gullwing hull design, not flat at the transom.

Some of the Mariner models have only an 11" splash well, and can be used with a tiller motor easily.
Some Mariners, and all the 16ss hulls, use a larger splash well, but can still use a tiller motor, just not real easy to reach to start it.

You can find these boats relatively cheaply.
Gut the windshield console out if you find an SS.
Lots of room, lots of weight capacity.

I'm not saying it will fully plane out, but better than what you have going on now.

Pair it up with a longs haft 9.9 with a 7p prop. 4 blade if possible.
 
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I've looked for 15 years or more for a good used Mariner hull but haven't seen a one that was affordable or worth fixing up. I do have a 16' Starcraft just like the 14' model, the issue with that is simply more hull and more weight to push. it don't handle the weight any better then the 14'. A neighbor has a Mirrocraft Lake Fisherman 16 that's decent but he runs a re-labeled 15hp four stroke on it and it won't plane the boat with only one man at the tiller. The boat is lighter than my Starcraft. Most 16' boats are just too heavy to get on plane with a 9.8hp motor. The neighbors Mirrocraft though is rated at 40hp max and 1040 lbs.

The 12' Duranautic is a planing hull, there's a handful of videos on Youtube showing one buzzing around up on plane with various motors, all smaller than the 9.8hp.
Last year I went out fishing with a guy who had a smaller 14' Starcraft than mine, it was maybe half as tall on the sides, he was running an old 9.5hp Evinrude motor and that boat flew, it popped right up on plane and moved along great. He was nearly 200lbs plus my weight of 325, and some fishing tackle on board. the boat would jump right up and go. It went faster with me, the heavier driver, at the controls.

Let me ask this, what makes a boat dip or settle down into the water so much when the throttle is cranked up like that?
Second, what would keep the boat from climbing out of that hole and moving along? It seems that if it would stay atop the water it would move on out. It acts as if the anchor is out and hooked on the bottom at times. The only thing I can think of is that the prop is pulling water out from under the boat faster than it can move forward.

The fact that it buzzed along so well on the small jon boat with the flat bottom and a light driver tells me its running fine, its just a matter of getting the prop right or adding the hydrofoil.

I'll dig around in the garage for the hydrofoils I have tomorrow sometime and decide which one to try.
I ordered a new 9x7 3 blade prop, one that I know hasn't been changed or modified.

I've looked around for a decent 9.9 or 15hp OMC but everyone I come across is either salt eaten or they want over a grand for it. The last one I looked at was $1500 and it had spent its whole life in the saltwater and it showed.

There's a 15hp Evinrude for sale on CL with a cracked lower unit, the guy said he left it tilted up and it froze and cracked. He wants $650 for it. There's a 9.9hp listed in a local free paper for sale that says it needs new mounts, they want $900 for that one. The motor flops around on the bracket and all the bolts holding the power head on are broken off.
 

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Something you might try -- get an articulated extension for the steering handle, and control the motor from the center seat. With just you in the boat, I'm pretty sure you would hit planing speed. I'm not sure it would work with both you and your fishing partner (middle and front seats), but sure your hull speed would increase -- really think it's a matter of weight distribution.

I have that boat (think mine is a '69 model). I've installed a side console with steering and controls, have a battery at the transom, and a 6 gal tank just ahead of the rear seat. I steer from the rear seat. I run a '57 Evinrude 18, and have a 3 hp kicker. The boat planes with no difficulty. Thing is, it also planes with my '57 10 hp (no trolling motor when I used the 10). I weigh 230.

As a getaway, I go up to a Michigan lake and use a rental 16' Mirrocraft. I use the steering extension on that boat from the middle seat (or at least the second seat -- might have four seats in that boat). I plane with no difficulty using my 7 1/2, and almost get up with my 5 1/2 (They are all '57s. I have a fetish.) With the 10 and 18, the boat flies.

sure think it would work....
 

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I've been using an extension that requires you remove the tiller grip and replace it with an aluminum grip with a fitting on the end that accepts the extension. It makes almost no difference with the 9.8hp on either the 12, 14, or 16' hulls.
I really wish one of these had a 20" transom because I found a super clean 1991 Evinrude 9.9 that's been converted to 15hp with a stainless four blade prop already on it.
I may buy it and see about converting it to a short shaft. I know I can use a bracket to raise the transom but that's more weight.

I'm not sure if I'm describing what's happening with the 9.8hp correctly?
When I hit the throttle to take off, there's a huge whoosh of water behind the boat and the boat drops about 12" in the stern and doesn't come back up till I let off the throttle. While sitting still, the hull is sitting with about 4" of the transom below the water and the bow is barely in the water. Without me at the stern the boat is about 2" higher in the water. It takes the weight very well.
The 16' hull sits much deeper in the water with me at the controls, maybe 8" or so of the transom is in the water.
If I tie the bow to the dock, give it throttle, I get the same results, its as if the boat is dragging an anchor.

Now, with the 12' hull, the 9.8hp does the same thing and it struggles to move the boat, yet with the 6hp it moved the boat right along, although still not on plane. With the 12' boat I only ran it with tiller extensions.

What was scary was how low the stern dropped in the 12' boat, even with the neighbors 120lb son at the controls, it dipped low and took on water over the gunwales. At least the Starcraft doesn't take on water. The Duranautic almost sits still before starting to move. I've gone so far as to take a long level to verify for myself that the prop angle in relationship to the hull was correct and what I find is that in the 3rd hole, the motor's AV plate is dead level with the bottom of the boat. The forward two positions should in effect push the bow down. The last three raise the AV plate above level, none of the holes raise the prop out of the water.
The bottom of the hull is glass smooth, I even waxed the hull before putting back on the trailer last time. There is nothing on the hull to hold the boat back. In comparison, my buddies 16' Mirrocraft is loaded with junk, four or five tackle boxes, cans of lead sinkers, two batteries, oars, two trolling motors, and our weight and the 15hp motor moves that boat along between 9 and 12mph on the river. This 9.8 won't move the boat more than 4 mph at best running with the current with no wind.
If it wasn't evacuating so much water from under the hull, I'd suspect a bad prop or hub but both are fine and the prop is moving a ton of water, the boat just isn't moving.
Things like motor depth, and hull shape don't even come into play for this.

Something I should also add is that the first time I took the 14' boat on the lake I also wanted to test a few used trolling motors I had, so I took along four Minn Kota 3hp trolling motors and two group 72 batteries, without a gas motor on the boat.
I tested each motor for about 20 minutes, any one of those trolling motors moved the boat along better than the 9.8hp.
For kicks I hooked up all four and the boat was way to fast for the size of the pond we were on at the time. If a 3hp trolling motor can move the boat along at a satisfactory speed the fact that a 9.8hp gas motor can't.
The trolling motors all have OEM props and prop height was set to 4" below the surface due to the shallow water and stumpy nature of that pond. Along with the weight of the trolling motors and batteries were myself and a buddy who weighs about 260lbs.
 

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So, the motor won't work on other boats either, yet other motors work. I think you've identified the problem, just not the root cause or the solution.
 

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so with you in the center seat, the stern still wallows? If, say, a 3 hp will push the boat along reasonably well, the 9.8 should seemingly do the same job with a slow start up -- apparently not quite up to a hole shot, but might get up to a decent hull speed with a slower start and good weight distribution. If the boat is stern heavy to begin with, the motor probably has no chance. JMO.
 

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You keep talking about the stern going down, this is normal on an under powered hull when it can't push itself up and over the wall of water that forms at the bow, every hull and motor combo will react slightly differently though, so how deep it goes can be different, but it's not odd. Many combinations of things can cause it. I've owned several StarCraft boats, my 12' will fly with a 9.9, the 13' is much more difficult to get on plane and needs a 15hp.
 
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