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mellowyellow

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wouldn't it be nice they really did get him last<br />night when he was in his jammies... :cool: <br />Education is a much tougher problem to solve<br />i'm afraid. stupid is as stupid does.<br />typical bully, all talk! they are gonna roll<br />faster than a doughnut!
 

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Well they say he was wounded last night and some of his top people were killed.<br /><br />Don't know for sure though.<br /><br />Also said they did not know if the guy on tv was him or one of his doubles he has.<br /><br />I just hope they find him and kill him and don't let him be like they did last time.<br /><br />And then don't stop there.<br /><br />Find the Bin Laden fellow and do him in also.<br /><br />If you can not stand behind your country and President then go somewhere else.
 

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I agree mellowyellow,<br /><br />Can't we deport these non patriotic people who do not wish to stand up and follow the Constitution of the United States, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independance, but rather rewrite them to support their passivist ways?? <br /><br />They were written the way they are written so that the enemy (the passivists) could not take over our country and thats the way it should be!<br /><br />We should all be gratefull that the President of the United States, George W. Bush, has the courage to stand up and defend the above mentioned documents.<br /><br />Its time to show the world that we will not be pushed around by 2-bit governments (like France, Germany and Iraq) anymore!<br /><br />I have not seen China, Russia, or any other country, take any initiative to do anything to prevent the events happenning around the world today, like North Korea!<br /><br />Sorry to rant and rave, but I just can't take these people who call themselves Americans and find any chance to cause the destruction of the U.S.A. because they can't follow the above mentioned documents.<br /><br />If anyone does not like the way the above mentioned documents are written...LEAVE!!
 

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The sandman kills those who "speak out" against, or try to "leave" his garden paradise, CalicoKid.<br /><br />The time to protest is past tho,as it has not werked. The war has begun. It's time to support or shut up or leave for sure.<br />You have the right to protest the war, but it's futile, and really makes real Americans angry. Why make anyone angry over something you (and they) have zip control over?<br />There may have been a time when that would've werked,had it been a popular stance.<br /><br />Why not just purchase a ticket for a flight to the country of yuor dreams ,go there, and find something substantial to complain about. I saw some clowns in Naples, Fl (City just south of me) on the local tube. There were about six of them durring the first report at 4:15PM..By the time the 6PM news had started, (thier 3rd or 4th "live" report), there were about 12 of them....And 3 of those had poured red paint over thier bodies, to simulate blood!<br />I never laughed so hard in my life! There was this one clown (the ring-leader of sorts), was kneeling on the ground, and striking a pose simular to that painting of Jesus ascending into heaven, with arms outstretched, as if to say "take me away, I'm dead" ..I couldn't take it anymore. I tried to load-up my graphix card's TV tuner to click off some stills, but didn't get it in time.<br />Suffice to say, CalicaoKid, they are the comic relief in a very serious, valiant moment in our history...And I missed it. I only hope, they return for an encore (ewww...A French werd) tonight :D <br />But not everyone has a sense of homour. They take these little colection of clowns as threats to the security of thier troops,and country in times of war. The image of the spitting hippy is seared-into thier memory, and they know how to hit what they throw things at.<br /><br />So, if you want to be laughed at and spit on , like the returning troops from Vietnam were, go for it. Join a protest group near you, and knock yerself out...Or let others do that for you.<br />These events are more dangerous than shark fishin from a kayak! Because people might see you,get mad, and throw things.<br />If your desire is to draw attention to "the cause", there is very little point, because the cause is causing as we speak.<br />If your desire is to call attention to yourself, try streaking (a favorite passtime of lonely folks at football games and other venues).<br /><br />But the soldiers that are over there are putting thier lives one the front for you and me. And they need to know you and I want them to come home in one piece. They need your support.<br /><br />Put your money or time where your heart and mouth should be. Click one of these links. Do it now,when you can make a difference.<br /><br /> "HUGS TO KUWAIT" <br /><br /> "HOMEFRONT" <br /><br /> "OPERATION: MILITARY PRIDE"
 

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And while I'm we are on the subject of emotions, some things I need answers to, from the practicing war protestor...<br /><br />Have you no heart at all?<br /> <br />where is your compassion for your fellow man?<br /><br />Do you believe in Karma?<br /><br />Don't you like this country even a little bit?
 

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All I know is that I am glad that our constitution gives us the right to bear arms. Just how much terrorism would occur if not for that right?<br /><br />Our own country was divided over slavery. I do believe that war was in the name of humanity. IMHO this war is the same.<br /><br />The bickering within our own government over its right or a mistake makes me sick. Those that say they support our troops ARE supporting Bush since he is the Commander of all the forces.<br /><br />Those that oppose of the war really need to learn and understand all the facts. It seems like they hear them, and let it go out the other ear. It is sad. :( These people are so selfish, they only hear what they want to hear and to the heck with the suffrage of others.<br /><br />I don't think I could stand having my children disciplined by the Iraqi Gov.<br /><br />I don't think I could handle allowing my wife to be raped by any of the Iraqi Gov.<br /><br />Those last two sentences is why I support the liberation of Iraq. If you can't be for the winning team, then move, we don't need you. <br /><br />Our government knows alot that goes on in Iraq. The images I saw on the tube was impressive. It is no wonder they know what is going on over there. I bet they have the abilty to zoom in where they could count the dimples on a golf ball. Just my opinion.......SS
 

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Mayfloat, I know how you feel, and feel the same way at times. But just when NBC shows the idiots protesting the war, trying to crash-thru police baricades,it hits you right between the eyes, don't it? The mutants are getting desperate for camera time, and the media is eating it up!!! Like "targets of opertunity", the media seeks these mutant mobs out, and hopes they chrage the police lines,and douse themselves with fake blood for effect (which they have done BTW, in France,California, ect)...<br />But then, there's me,you,JB and millions worldwide like us, who stand behind our government,our military and constitution, and would do so with our lives---"Human shields" against the anti-American mobs of semi-organised socialist crazy folk.<br />Don't loose heart. Be proud, and laugh yer arse off, as you watch this circus unfold in front of the cameras. And know, that the real world is also in front of a different camera, and probably on a different channel. :cool:
 

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What aggravates me about the media and protestors is that the media is doing it to incite panic within ourselves.<br /><br />Wouldn't it be possible for the FCC to notify the media that any airing of protests during active war shall be halted?<br /><br />The protestors do have the right to voice their opinion, but there is no law says it has to be aired.<br /><br />Those of us that have fought and or served our time of duty know what the price of Freedom costs. The MTV generation seems to be the ones that paid attention to music, fads, and lifestyles intead of reading about the past lives that were lost during every war the the U.S. has encountered.<br /><br />It is evident that the new technology of war is saving lives to protect our Freedom and future. Past wars did take so many lives because it was brute force that prevailed.<br /><br />Even with this war and the Vietnam war, there has been more people killed in auto accidents and homocides within our country. It would seem to me that if the protestors would look hard at the numbers of fatalities in auto accidents, they should protest that people should be more cautious while they operate their motor vehicle.<br /><br />It is cheaper to teach someone to drive respectfully than to idiot proof a vehicle so the occupants doesn't get injured. But all we do is keep on complaining about the high price of transportation and insurance rates instead of looking at the operators.<br /><br />Just my thoughts and some venting......SS
 

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according to polls, 76% are in favor of the war!<br />this is just a very vocal minority. Ignore them.<br />wether or not they want to admit it now, the whole<br />world will breathe a little easier when Sadaam is<br />removed from power. ESPECIALLY the people of Iraq!
 

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SS,<br />You said, "--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />What aggravates me about the media and protestors is that the media is doing it to incite panic within ourselves."<br /><br />"Dirty laundry"<br />Perhaps. I believe they do it for ratings share. They do it BECAUSE it incites our panic and wrath.<br />It's the same as the car chase shows..They sell!<br />That has allways upset me, and I even invented a device that ,if incorpoorated , could END police chases..END them safely,while retaining complete control of the vehicle. The cost was minimal, at less than 30buks per police cruiser equipped with the device, and between 16 and 30 buks added expense per new car made. It was ignored bt NTSB!!! They showed great interest at first, but I haven't heard from them in two years. My guess is, the media was informed.<br />And it is agrivating for sure, as lives are lost to preserve a million dollar industry! They seem to have no shame, but they also cover thier butts well.<br /><br />You asked; "Wouldn't it be possible for the FCC to notify the media that any airing of protests during active war shall be halted?"<br />And you also said, "The protestors do have the right to voice their opinion, but there is no law says it has to be aired." <br /><br />NO<br />True. Dirty laundry sells, but free media is vital in Amercia. One of the FCC's jobs, is to protect the rights of the media to air anything uncensored. But the media is an essential tool of our society. All nations have news services, some owned by the state, and in Iraq, these people would be taped for review by the inteligence agengies, the participants rounded-up and imprisoned, and perhaps, even executed.<br />No, I'm afraid we are stuck with the roving eye, and the "bubble-headed bleach-blonde that comes on at five, who talks about the plane crash with a gleam in her eye".<br /><br />You stated, "Those of us that have fought and or served our time of duty know what the price of Freedom costs. The MTV generation seems to be the ones that paid attention to music, fads, and lifestyles intead of reading about the past lives that were lost during every war the the U.S. has encountered.<br />SS, I was there too, I enlisted in 71, and would've gave my life to preserve my girlfriend's right to march in the peace protests (she did not remain my girlfriend) but she had that right.<br />That is why we served. And those that are providing that service, eating that sand,sweating in those smelly, dusty Bradleys,and M1-A1's, with some media dweeb hanging on his shirt tails, telling the world what his next move will be, IS what we were...(the MTV generation). Us old guys can only support them at home, as we do.<br />And now, these sons and daughters are writing the history bnooks for the SEGA genration, who will do the same in thier time, forever. God give them the courage and strength.<br />September 12th, 2001, I drove past the recruiting offices in town here, and I cried..There was a LINE of young men and women outside. Being next to the movie theatre, at first, I thought it was a morning mattene (SP), but it wasn't. God bless them!<br /><br />You said, "I don't think I could stand having my children disciplined by the Iraqi Gov.<br /><br />I don't think I could handle allowing my wife to be raped by any of the Iraqi Gov.<br /><br />Those last two sentences is why I support the liberation of Iraq. If you can't be for the winning team, then move, we don't need you. "<br /><br />Absolutely A/Q right on!! And even though they have the right to protest, I have the right not to serve them, talk to them, rent to them, or be spit on by them. I have the same rights, and can retain the best attorney in the state (my opinion) to clean him out if he does!<br /><br />I am a gentle soul. Whereas I have never seen combat first hand (outside of a napalm drop on the coast of Vietnam once), I know the costs of such events in human suffering, it still angers me.<br />I want to lock-n-load, go down the the protest, and open fire..At least, my gut wants to. My heart hurts for those younguns in the sand now.<br />My fatherly instincts want to open fire on the sign-carriers enmass, turning thier stage-blood to real! But my brain tells me, they are Americans, by the people/for the people,and all that rot....<br />My soul then converts the feeling into comic relief, making it more tolerable..Byut no less an outrage.
 

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The sad fact is these kids are taking a bullet in the name of freedom so these scumbag types have the right to protest, so the media has the right to air and hype all the negative things they do. I have found most of these people that want to march and protest war to be nothing more than selfish COWARDS. They are and will be the first to bury thier head in the sand when the chips fall and expect someone else to take care of it for them. I also have to add how sick I feel every time I think about all the men who were mamed and lost thier lifes on the beach in Normandy kicking hitlers a$$ and then the selfish coward French wont even give thier support in this conflict. :mad: I wish we could bring home the thousands that are buried there and lay them to rest here. The thing is if France or canada or germany or any of these other countrys that are not with us needed the USA's help we would be there with our troops and our money.<br /><br />Sorry if I sound bitter just wanted to vent a little<br /><br />-----------------<br />Flathead
 

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May they rest in peace. After all, they died for it.<br />I would rather see checkpoints around this site's parimeter, refusing entry to any French or Canadian government representatives, and also ,that nationals from these countries be allowed in under armed escort only. After all, they need to know real history, as opposed to that which thier governments choose to re-write.<br /><br />The land they now rest in has been sanctified by thier blood and fully belongs to no living soul. It belongs to those intered within it.<br />
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While I agree with nearly everything you guys are are saying - I think you have to be very careful with how you word things on the subject of Canada (and others), who by and large have always been loyal friends and allies to your country. Much damage can easily be done to long term alliances by overlooking the temporary abherations of democratic politics.<br /><br />As you know, other nationalities besides the USA were involved and killed in action (in varying numerical quantities) in liberating France and the rest of Europe & Africa - including Canada, NZ, Australia, Britain etc.<br /><br />The political pendulum can easily swing either way in any democratic country. It so happens that while the USA *currently* has leadership that supports (as I do) what is being done to solve the Iraq problem - other countries *currently* may have leadership that take the opposite view.<br /><br />Imagine the frustration you guys would feel right now if your country was *currently* governed by the type of people you see in those bizzare and brainless protests ? Then you would understand the utter frustration that I feel as well as so many Canadians do right now.<br /><br />I suggest we should all judge countries by their long term history - not the short term actions of their current governments. In saying that, I regard the USA, Britain, Canada, Australia & NZ as long term friends and allies that extend far beyond the world's current events. In so many instances over the last 100 years, our soldiers have fought and died side by side defending the same principles and the same values.
 

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Sorry 62 Kiwi, Not buying it. All the un countries agreed to the resolution for Saddam to disarm on his own or be disarmed by force. Not to turn tail and run away from the problem when its time to act. You call that loyalty? Any world leader would have to be a total idiot not to see Saddam is a threat to world peace. I hope your leaders can sleep well at night knowing those kids are out there putting there a$$ on the line for somthing they agreed to in the first place. As far as judging countries on thier history. I say history is being written today and yes you will be judged. ( nothing personal Kiwi as you have made it clear how you feel about this situation)<br /><br />--------------<br />Flathead
 

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Oh I agree with with you, Kiwi.<br />Isn't there a military cemetary in this same country with the graves of masacred infantries from Australia on French soil, besides the beach cemetary?).<br /> More inland,if I recall right.I'm thinkin "Carington" or something like that?<br />Can't recall my WWII history regarding it right now, but it will come to me.<br />But I fully agree, that sometimes, even in democracies, the government seems to have switched directions on the people's will, sometimes in mid-stream.<br />This has happened in France and Germany, and, to a much lesser degree to Canada, as the Americans view it here.<br />Many French people hated Americans waaaay before this, as did Germans. All one had to do, was to visit these countries to know the problems of skirting such hostile enclaves,and stick to the tourist routes at times.<br />Canada's people have spoken-out strongly against there own Prime minister's statements right here on our forum!<br />They are pot being reprented. Our own media is showing you the anti-war marches in some of our own cities. There are many in america that would have us leave Iraq with the sandman, want to switch to a socialist regime at home, or many other anti-government subjects, and are using this war as a tool towards thier means.<br />Kiwi, it's a human trait to generalise when it comes to global policies and peoples. "The French smell bad and dress funny"---"The Americans are arogant and spoiled".... <br />But in the end, you and I both know why the French, German, and Canadian GOVERNMENTS have lost a great amount of respect in the eyes of most Americans. This trickles-down to the masses, and like you said, is very damaging to our long-term relationships between nations.<br />It's hell to watch this happen,and be powerless over it. But these nations, just as ours, are supposed to represent the the will of the majority.<br />The desent can run-ammok at times like these-- and in a democracy, ya gotta let them! Otherwise, you don't have the type of government you were told you have.<br />Having said all that, "The French are no longer allies". Friends, yes. Allies? never again. As seen from this American's eyes and heart, at least.
 

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Well said 12Footer. I'm just as guilty as anyone else for generalizing about countries. Now and then I remember that every country has people with all sorts of opinions on everything there is, and some I will agree with and some I won't.<br /><br />In all there are around 28,000 NZ soldiers buried all over Europe (along with other nationalities) from the 2 world wars - a huge amount of them unidentified...our small country was always one to pay it's way when it came to going to war ...may they all rest in peace (all nationalities for that matter).<br /><br />As for today's situation, I think America and the "coalition of the willing" have every right to feel extremely let down by the UN and those countries (oops "Governments") that have failed to support them in undertaking this dangerous and costly job that has to be done.
 

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It is my belief that the Canadian government will <br />pay for its inaction, and cowedly betrail of <br />its close alie the U.S.A. The people of western <br />Canada particularly Alberta have distanced <br />themselves from our French Prime-minister and his<br />alliance with the axis of weasels. There are<br />polls that show support of more than 90% for the<br />U.S. action in Alberta alone.Our problem here in<br />Western Canada is we are out numbered by <br />population so our interests are overshadowed by<br />Eastern Canada's numbers. However we in western<br />Canada are showing our support in Print and other<br />actions....... More later!
 

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1)I hear a lot saying they support the troops but not the politicians. Hogwash. Cop out. Same old Hanoi Jane behavior with a disclaimer thrown in. The protests are hurting the overall effort at this point and getting people killed.<br /><br />2) People also say we are fighting to give people the right to protest. Don't take that as a duty or a good healthy exercise of civil rights. Along with these rights is the duty to be mindful of the effects of our actions. This country is so great that we tolerate the disrespect and harm to preserve our freedoms(the greater good), but that does not make these acts less harmful to our troops , overall "team" effort, and Country. It does not make these acts less irresponsible and reprehensible. We need resolve right now. Our troops need resolve right now. Our President and Country need resolve right now. Our path is clear for now, so , though you have a constitutional right to be a part of the problem, choose to be a part of the solution.
 
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