Mile high city gets Higher

alumistar

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p.s. if you want to know the real breakdown, check this out. in the last 17 years i've been in medical to which i will say, i am a highly decorated c.n.a., yes an assistant. i don't want the resonsibility to rest on my shoulders if someone were to die. i don't work in that field anymore and that's an entirely different subject. fact is, i have worked in nursing homes, psych wards, alzheimer's units, triage, both intensive and critical care units. i have a degree in psych. a minors in sociology i have crisis prevention, advanced life support, med pass, treatment, and am i.v. certified. i am one of 30 c.n.a.'s in colorado to have all this, and i smoke pot. never during work though. not that it matters because i no longer choose to be in the field. and i will tell you this with 90% accuracy across all states in the union, c.n.a.'s smoke pot and drink, some do meth. l.p.n's are meth and coke heads, some do pot. r.n.'s primarily are pill poppers whether it's valium, prozac, soma, flexaril, or even ecstacy. doctors will amaze you. they are far and beyond bigger cokeheads and alcoholics then your garden variety homeless druggy, they just have money and some have the ability to handle themselves and lastly have undeniable connections and abilities to aquire Rx pills from a friend who is a doctor! so you see, i hope, that it really doesn't matter whether they legalize it or not. it really won't change anything except the ability to tax it. hey, if they do that then we will maybe get a real honest to God tax cut!!!! :D
 

Kalian

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But we all know it'll never come down to a choice of weed or alcohol, alcohol will always be legal so the point is mute. it's one more step down the hill no matter how you look at.<br /> I tried weed long before I ever tried alcohol. And I know how stupid people get when they smoke because I tried it before and I've hung out with people who smoke it. It may not be as bad as alcohol, but it still is a direction I don't want to see this country go.<br /> It dosn't matter about you being a cna, etc. One case doesn't make the entire case. I had 3 dui's when I was young and dumb, and drove with a BAC of over 0.1 at least 100 times, and probably a lot more. But I never hurt anyone. Should we legalize driving while intoxicated?<br /> And no offense was taken. I wasn't addressing the particular law you mentioned, I didn't read about it and I don't care what you wrote about it. I'm against legalizing marijuana period. I think it's a step in the wrong direction. Not only for the direct effect it will have on our kids, but for the effect it will have on future laws.<br /> I hope you don't smoke that sh.t while your out on your boat!
 

alumistar

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sorry kalian, i was under the impression you were for a SAFER america. driving with b/a of .1 at least 100 times hardly constitutes a safe environment don't you think? when is the last time you heard of someone killing a family because he/she was stoned? i guess i'm not trying to comend or condem the law. i honestly think that this law is simply pointless. i don't think it will be legalized in our lifetime. and as far as me being a cna, that was a tidbit of background so people won't think i'm blowing hot air out my a$$. if you don't want to read what i wrote earlier, then don't. stay uneducated about the whole thing and stay rigid against it! that's the beauty of our country. but, if you don't read about the law then who are you to pass judgement. just don't move to colorado, it's that simple.
 

ZmOz

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Originally posted by Kalian:<br />I had 3 dui's when I was young and dumb, and drove with a BAC of over 0.1 at least 100 times, and probably a lot more. But I never hurt anyone. Should we legalize driving while intoxicated?
Apples to oranges. Marijuana and alcohol do not compare in any way what-so-ever, except that their laws are reversed. Alcohol related this or that should be no part of a weed arguement.<br /><br />What, specifically, is it that you think is so bad about pot? People who do stupid things when they are high or drunk were stupid to begin with...<br /><br />
Originally posted by alumistar:<br />after you do a search on what the stats are, what drug should really be illegalized?
The problem is whenever someone tries to find marijuana stats or facts, they find dozens of government sponsored web pages full out out right LIES about marijuana. (like how it leads to STDs :rolleyes: ) The actual facts are very hard to find.
 

Kalian

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Alumistar, I said when I was young and dumb. I don't drink anymore. And the point was just because you have not had negative experiences doesn't mean everyone else will have the same experiences you did. I was lucky, others weren't.<br /><br /> Zmoz, "Apples to oranges. Marijuana and alcohol do not compare in any way what-so-ever, except that their laws are reversed. Alcohol related this or that should be no part of a weed arguement."<br /><br /> See above, simply making a point about individual experiences vs national experiences.<br /><br />What, specifically, is it that you think is so bad about pot? People who do stupid things when they are high or drunk were stupid to begin with...<br /><br />Thats an iresponsible thing to say. I hope you don't truly believe that. Inteligent people do stupid things when they're drunk or high.<br /><br />Here are some reasons why I'm against legalizing weed. It's all there. You just have to read it.<br /><br /> http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/factsht/marijuana/
 

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Originally posted by Kalian:<br />Here are some reasons why I'm against legalizing weed. It's all there. You just have to read it.<br /><br /> http://www.whitehousedrugpolicy.gov/publications/factsht/marijuana/
Would you believe Exxon if their website said "gas is cheap and we give you a great value for your $4.25/gallon during times of national disaster"? That is exactly the kind of propaganda filled crap I was refering to earlier. Of course the white house is going to tell you it's bad! They don't get a cut yet! The facts are random and organized as carefully as they can to sway people. All those numbers about % of people who use pot and then do other crimes or drugs is completely ridiculous. If 40 something percent of the population has tried pot as they claim, then 40% of all other things will be populated by pot users.<br /><br />That means of all the fat people that eat too many cheeseburgers, 40% of them tried pot. Does that mean pot leads to dangerous overeating? Of course not.<br /><br />40% of people who have car accidents of any sort have tried pot. Did pot cause all those accidents? HELL NO!<br /><br />40% of people who own 5 televisions have tried pot. Does pot lead to random television buying sprees? <br /><br />40% of adults who don't know how to read have tried pot. Is pot the reason they can't read? <br /><br />40% of people that own a mailbox have tried pot. Is pot the gateway to mailboxes? Maybe some conspiracy by the postal service?<br /><br />My point is it's easy for the government to make anything seem to be caused by pot use, simply because there are so many people who smoke it! And there are too many people that just blindly believe it! Pot is a gateway to CHURCH as much as it is to smoking crack.
 

wildbill59

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I've tried it in the past many times, But I never inhaled it. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
 

magster65

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Legalize it.<br />I don't smoke but I agree that booze is much worse for society. Sell the pot along with the booze for the ID check and tax the hell out of it. It'd generate billions of dollars in revenue that could be used for something productive like cancer research. People are smoking it anyways and it won't ever stop.
 

Kalian

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Well, by your own logic alcohol statistics are bogus too? Probably even more so than the weed statistics? Try telling that to a traffic cop.<br /> It's obvious I'm hopelesly outnumbered here, so I'm not going to beat the proverbial dead horse. You guys will probably get your legalized pot soon enough. But I'll never vote for it!
 

Haut Medoc

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"K", I think you might stiil be young & dumb, But I will wait for other posts on your insights before I make that assessment....Keep posting....JK
 

ZmOz

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Originally posted by Kalian:<br /> Well, by your own logic alcohol statistics are bogus too?
No, the government wants you to use that because they make just as much profit as the company who produced it. Again...apples to oranges.
 

Kalian

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"All those numbers about % of people who use pot and then do other crimes or drugs is completely ridiculous. If 40 something percent of the population has tried pot as they claim, then 40% of all other things will be populated by pot users."<br /><br /> This is what I was refering to. Sorry if I wasn't clear. So I'll start over. All the statistics about drunk driving deaths are exagerated, according to Zmoz logic, because if 40% of the population are drinkers...<br /> It's not apples and oranges. And where in the link I provided did they make those kinds of comparisons anyway? You can twist it anyway you want, but it really doesn't matter. I smoked weed before and I know how it makes you feel. You're just as incapacitated smoking weed as you are drinking. If you think thats a dumb way to look at it, oh well.<br /><br /> Jkopec, if you think I'm dumb or if you think I'm smart makes no difference to me. You can't rile me by insulting me. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I wasn't too clear with the last post.
 

Haut Medoc

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I am not calling you dumb, I do think that you are saying what is best for all on the basis of your own experience & knowledge...I did not mean to offend you personally...Not everyone has experienced your life...It sounds like you have had some bad times..I do not wish to make light of that...Just trying to say ...Keep an open mind...To what others may think, before you preach.... :) I would always prefer to be live wrong, than dead right, anyone would, Keep your mind open, I think the dangers of alchohol are far worse than those of "The Weed". ie. motor coordination. ;) .....JK
 

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Kalian, if you want facts about something, you go to an unbiased source. This is true about EVERYTHING. If you honestly think the white house is an unbiased source for this information you are smoking something alot worse than marijuana.<br /><br />If you want some actual facts you need to go to non government websites such as this and this.<br /><br />Just for Kalian:<br />
MYTH: MARIJUANA USE IS A MAJOR CAUSE OF HIGHWAY ACCIDENTS. Like alcohol, marijuana impairs psychomotor function and decreases driving ability. If marijuana use increases, an increase in of traffic fatalities is inevitable.<br /><br />FACT: There is no compelling evidence that marijuana contributes substantially to traffic accidents and fatalities. At some doses, marijuana affects perception and psychomotor performances- changes which could impair driving ability. However, in driving studies, marijuana produces little or no car-handling impairment- consistently less than produced by low moderate doses of alcohol and many legal medications. In contrast to alcohol, which tends to increase risky driving practices, marijuana tends to make subjects more cautious. Surveys of fatally injured drivers show that when THC is detected in the blood, alcohol is almost always detected as well. For some individuals, marijuana may play a role in bad driving. The overall rate of highway accidents appears not to be significantly affected by marijuana's widespread use in society.
 

alumistar

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i am so thrilled to be debating among such educated people such as zmoz and jk :D you guys make me happy! i'd stand ground with you two any day in a debate, especially when someone trumps up, but, doesn't have ALL the facts. well said from both you guys. for kalian: if you would have read my post, you would learn that i said in the medical field, cna's smoke pot, lpn/lvn's do meth, rn's are pill poppers, doctors are scary, the prescribe each other only the finest that chemists have to offer, on top of being raging alcoholics. so, do you trust them if yuor life depends on it? because they are among us. there is no denying that. are you going to voice up in the emergency room and refuse treatment because the person keeping you alive is a stoner, or a meth clucker, or a pillpopper, or a major addict like the doctor? i am curious though kalian, did you really ever quit drinking? the only reason i ask is that this thread started as a curiosity about the law passed in denver and you turned it completly inside out and started ranting about facts you don't know, and don't CARE to know. lastly you tried to solidify your argument with your personal experience with alcohol? this wasn't a debate for or against alcohol. that was you turning the debate in a different direction, which i might add is EXACTLY what the whitehouse does all the time. they tell us things via representatives and the media that they want us to hear so as to sway our judgement in their favor for whatever their personal agendas are. just look at the war in iraq. it all started as a hunt for binLaden, now we move to a completly different country and decide that the war is against WMD's, not binLaden. that's what they want us to think, so that's what they preach about. saddam didn't blow up the WTC, binLaden did. but hey, that's propoganda at its finest! back to the subject at hand. you said you tried it when you were younger and dumber. you also said you drank like a fish and drove all over the d@*n place. is there any possibility the two were connected together at the same time? if so, sounds to me like you decided that the illegal drug was responsible for your behavior, not the legal drug. if that's the case, then you are obviously still in denial. so, that being said, i again ask,"who are you to pass judgement?"
 

Kalian

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Lol, thats funny! ;) You guys are saying volumus! Your delusional. Attack your precious pot and you get rabid. You shouldn't smoke before posting. Enufsaid.
 

alumistar

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kalian, you are too funny! your just like fishing. throw the right bait in and you keep coming back even if you're not big enough to keep! :D if you don't like the debate and are so dead set against it, then stay out of the discussion. you have NO ground to stand on and i will not let you have the last word. sorry, just the way it is. :p
 

Haut Medoc

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"A-star", Simply put.....I would rather have a pot head than a drunk work on me in the emergency room......I would rather have a pot head behind the wheel than a drunk. Either way I wouldn't worry about it at the time, can't sweat the small sh!t...I know first hand about the rampant drug use in the health industry....Not sure how this fits into this topic though....BTW, are you a man or a woman? Not that it matters....<br />"K" I sense a 12 step thing going on....Sorry if I called you an idjit, I think I understand now....JK
 

alumistar

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jk, don't know if you are refering to me on the man or woman thing.........let's just say my hole is one way......out! kalian....i don't know, kinda sounds like a chick though. as far as the drug/medical place.....i don't know, i guess i had to twist the topic myself 'cause i just couldn't let kalian do it alone! i felt left out :D
 
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