Mile high city gets Higher

[one more cast]

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Why is tobacco legal? Because so many people use it.<br />Why is booze legal? Because so many people use it.<br />Pot will someday be legal because of the same reason.<br /><br /> I know a doctor that smokes pot.<br /> I know carpenters that smoke pot.<br /> I know roofers that smoke pot.<br /> I know furnace repair men that smoke pot <br /> I know a preacher that smokes pot.<br /> I know a lady in her late 60's and just finished collage that smokes pot.<br /> I know mill workers that smoke pot.<br /> I know a cop that smokes pot.<br /> I know nobody that OD'ed on pot.<br /> I know several people that OD'ed on booze.<br /> I knew several people that are dead because they drove on booze.<br /> Booze IMO is far worse then pot. If you drink to much booze you do really stupid stuff but if you smoke to much pot you can't do anything. I really don't care weather pot is legal or not because I don't smoke (anymore) but why not put it to vote and let the people decide.

 

[Kalian]

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If you guys read my posts carefuly you'l notice that the mention of alcohol was to prove a point. The point being that your logic is twisted, and not valid. If you can't see that, slow down on the toking. <br /> Alumistar said: kalian, you are too funny! your just like fishing. throw the right bait in and you keep coming back even if you're not big enough to keep! if you don't like the debate and are so dead set against it, then stay out of the discussion.<br /><br /> How am I supposed to interpret this? It looks like, if you disagre with me, stay out of this debate.<br /><br /> Your telling me not to believe the #'s by the Bush administration, to believe your stats instead. And where did they come from? Timothy O Leary? Sorry, can't do it. Lets face it, we're on opposite sides of the fence. I'll never convince you and you'll never convince me. <br /> And I thought I told you, no point in resorting to name calling, you won't rile me.<br /> There is a lot more to be said here, but sadly, I don't think it would be understood. Oh well.

 

[alumistar]

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i don't believe i called you any names except maybe for the fishing part. yes we're on different sides of the fence, again the beauty of america! tim leary? whatever, he doesn't know his a$$ from a hole in the ground. where do i get my info you ask? med. journals, physicians digest, nursing today, random polls on the internet: fox31, news4, cnn, cnbc, msnbc....i watch these programs every morning before i go to work.....some interesting things they talk about once in a while. humans tend to pick up on the un-normal, bizarre things that get ran in the media. the one drug that is worse than all the others combined is the media, however, on occasion, they have some useful info. i also read wallstreet, denverpost, r.m.news, westword and a handful of others on a regular basis. the fact is, i pay attention....very CLOSE attention, especially when it has to do with where i live and work! i am not trying to rile you. anyone with even an ounce of knowledge knows that you can't really upset someone on a forum....which btw is not what i'm trying to do. i'm simply trying to get you to open your mind, which apparently has been closed for so long it can't be re-opened. have a nice day

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Timothy Leary's a$$ is in a hole in the ground.... ...JK

 

[alumistar]

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lol! tou chet! jk very well said! i never really followed him much.

 

[jtexas]

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Alcohol causes more traffic deaths than pot...duh! You'll have to find a better argument. How does the number of pot dealers compare to the number of alcoholic beverage sellers in your city? And do you really think that when you are stoned your driving ability is not impaired?<br /><br />You think pot-smoking won't cause heart disease or lung cancer?<br /><br />Pass the brownies, please!

 

[pjc]

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Quote: " I am curious to see what happens to the crime rate." <br /><br />Huge increase in chocolate milk and Oreo cookie shop lifting arrests.

 

[Kalian]

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"Alcohol causes more traffic deaths than pot...duh! You'll have to find a better argument."<br /><br /> I agree. I never refuted that.(unless you still don't understand the "sarcastic" statement) Thats not even the point of the argument. If your adressing the other side, my apologies for the misunderstanding. <br /><br />"How does the number of pot dealers compare to the number of alcoholic beverage sellers in your city?"<br /><br /> Right now the number could be lower than alcohol. I have no way of knowing for sure. Legalize it and it will be the same.<br /><br />"And do you really think that when you are stoned your driving ability is not impaired?<br /><br />You think pot-smoking won't cause heart disease or lung cancer?"<br /><br /> Good points.<br /><br />Alumistar, who's really fishing here? Almost every post you make shows your inability to logicaly debate a point. Could that be from all the weed you smoke?

 

[one more cast]

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I'm not saying pot is not bad for you, it just shouldn't be illegal. It is just a plant for crying out loud.

 

[ZmOz]

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Originally posted by Kalian:<br /> Lol, thats funny! You guys are saying volumus! Your delusional. Attack your precious pot and you get rabid. You shouldn't smoke before posting. Enufsaid.

What have I said that is not true and I haven't provided unbiased evidence to support? At the same time, have you said a single thing that is true, and backed up by any fact at all? I don't think so.<br /><br />It is certainly is your right to be against legalizing pot and I will stand up for that right 100%. If you're going to b*tch about it though, be a man and get some real information to stand on. You are clueless and only proving to everyone here just how clueless you are. Quit embarrasing yourself in public.<br /><br />

Originally posted by jtexas:<br />You think pot-smoking won't cause heart disease or lung cancer?<br />

There are certainly negative effects to marijuana, just like everything. And, just like everything else, moderation is the key. It is NOT the governments business to tell me I can't smoke pot just because I MIGHT get lung cancer - ESPECIALLY when they let me buy cigarettes that will PROBABLY give me lung cancer.<br /><br />

FACT: Moderate smoking of marijuana appears to pose minimal danger to the lungs. Like tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains a number of irritants and carcinogens. But marijuana users typically smoke much less often than tobacco smokers, and over time, inhale much less smoke. As a result, the risk of serious lung damage should be lower in marijuana smokers. There have been no reports of lung cancer related solely to marijuana. However, because researchers have found precancerous changes in cells taken from the lungs of heavy marijuana smokers, the possibility of lung cancer from marijuana cannot be ruled out. Unlike heavy tobacco smokers, heavy marijuana smokers exhibit no obstruction of the lung's small airway. That indicates that people will not develop emphysema from smoking marijuana.

Remember, it is easier to overdose on WATER and OXYGEN than it is to overdose on marijuana...

 

[pjc]

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opium poppies are a plant too......so is barley, hopps, coca plants, grapes, and so forth. <br /><br />Besides, alcohol is embeded in our economy from a consumer retail standpoint. Pot is embeded in our economy from a law enforcement/trial lawer standpoint. <br /><br />States want to make some bling.....license pot, tax, sell in licensed retailers. Alcohol lobby, as well as law enforcement lobby will never allow this. Too much revenue will be lost for them.<br /><br />uhhhhhhhhhh......do bongs mannnnn.......Daves not here!

 

[alumistar]

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oh, this one is for kalian, specifically: you have NO ground to stand on. i will reflect on your quote of "not caring" what i had previously wrote in this same thread. if you can't take the time to read this thread from top to bottom, including what i, and others, have written, then you have no business even posting any kind of reply in this particular thread. if it's a case of not being able to read, then get off the bottle. if it's a case of not wanting to read, then YOU are not worth arguing. as you stated earlier, you can't change my mind, and i can't change yours(nor do i care to change the mind of a carless 100+ time dui offender, and yes, you have committed a dui at least that many times, you were simply lucky!). i have come to the conclusion that you are right. i can't rile you. not that i'd even care to. none-the-less, nobody can rile someone who is so close minded as to refute argument based on drunken logic that spans years if not decades, based on assumptions brought forth by their own "limited" experience and knowledge which is supposedly solidified by an obviously totalitarian government whose only adgenda is to benefit themselves. i am sorry you are so nieve as to believe what your government tells you without a second thought. in finality, it is apparent to me that you are simply one of the many sheeple that blindly, uneducatedly roam the streets, lost, believing in a farse you call government. for those out there reading this, i am not a democrat or a republican, nor am i part of nader's "green party". i am not a liberal or a conservative or a progressive. i am a humanist. i believe in human rights for all walks of humanity. if that envelopes legalizing weed because more than half of a state wants it, then let them have it. i personally, for the last time, don't care if it's legalized or not. no matter how you dice it up, people will get weed, it grows wild on the side of the d@&n highway in kansas, oklahoma, nebraska, s.d, n.d, texas, and many others. really, what does it matter? i apologize to everyone that i have wasted their time in debating a farse law with a person who can't even take the time to read this thread in it's entirety before throwing some half-witted comment out there, with the only motive being that they don't have their own soapbox to stand on. it really is like having an argument with a five year old about who would win, batman or spiderman, or which ice cream tastes the best, chocolate or fudge. good god, get a grip on life! pot is not bad, just an option to drinking.

 

[alumistar]

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and yes, I am fishing. you keep taking the bait. besides, almost every post i make shows my inability to debate? lol i am probably one of the most gifted people you will EVER debate against. plus, how could you "know" i have a disability to debate if you can't even read what i posted in the first place? "enufsaid"

 

[pjc]

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ya know, alumistar makes some good points. <br /><br />'specialy since we now accept chit like prozac for mom and dad,and the designer kiddie drugs to "control" ADHD. Page through an issue of Parents magazine to view the drug makers pushing their designer drugs marketed towards children. Maybee your children. Ahhh, doc, johnie won't settle down and let me and mom have a cocktail or three like we used to! can he have some ritalin please?????<br /><br />Sure would like a joint right now. Good chit these days versus the weed of a few decades ago. As I understand from heresay.<br /><br />Booze remains the same, new lables, same result. <br /><br />Lots of consideration for this topic IMO.

 

[jph20]

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hmmm whens the last time ya saw this headline LOCAL STONED DRIVER KILLS DRIVER !!!!! can't say as i ever have lol on the alcohol!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jph20]

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alumistar i have just one ? for with all that readen how ya find time for fishen

 

[brother chris]

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here in B.C., the cops are very lenient on the topic of possession of pot. <br />It has always been on the table to legalize it, but never got the go-ahead YET.<br />I agree with smoking pot, to help with certain diseases, to help with the pain. <br />Other than that, it makes you stupid(or at least, forgetful) over the long run.

 

[rodbolt]

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PJC<br /> I kinda agree with ya on the cottage industry that has grown up on the so called war on drugs. like a war on terror or a war on poverty it cannot be won.ya just cant wage war on a subjective gjost. my thoughyts are legalize it all just like booze and tax the heck out of it. just like after prohibition if ya take the money out of it it will decrease the crime rate. use the money for education and treatment but the hardcore idiots, just like they are doing now, will kill themselves with it. they just wont be burglerizing and murduring innocent folk for a 1 dollar hit of crack. wont be worth it. while I dont smoke or snort nor shoot up with anything I grew up with some serious hopheads, some quit and are doing well, a few still toke on occasion and are professionals, others degenerated and are worthless. most would have been the same if it was coke,pot or just booze. buried more than one buddy over booze.was not budwiesers fault was my idiot buddies fault. over the years I have found most people with destructive habits will destroy themselves regardless of a moral law. its just the way it is. over the years as a boat tech and an auto tech you would be amazed at the socalled upstanding folks vehicles I have found various forms of paraphenailia and actual drugs in. I say nothing but observe quite a bit.<br /> but now there is such a large economic base on the so called war its a self driven machine.

 

[CN Spots]

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Well, I spent all night reading this and despite my better judgement, here goes.<br /><br />Most folks here have made some valid arguments on both sides, a few have tried to e-kill each other. At the least it's been entertaining. I'm probably too well entoumbed in the Bible-belt to ever vote in favor of legalizing such a thing, but rather than just saying "it's wrong cuz they say so" Here are some of the reasons I am against it:<br /><br />Drug dealers are exactly that. Drug dealers. I doubt they'll give up the biz and go to work at Wal-Mart if their pot market dries up. Take a car dealers right to sell Fords away, what's he gonna do? Sell Lincons. They're heavier and hit a lot harder if you catch my drift.<br /><br />The people I've seen smoking the stuff did exibit some,well,negative effects. Although I will admit, not nearly as bad as they would with alcohol. Someone mentioned above that they would rather have someone stoned operating on them than someone drunk... I'd rather them be sober. <br /><br />Several people have said that it doesn't effect you as bad as... Is there any situation where it makes you do things better? (insert humourous retort here)<br /><br />As far as it generating money for the state I am uncertain. I fear that the only one making any money off such a thing would be Phillp Morris and the like.<br /><br />I also doubt it will bring down civilization as we know it but as someone else pointed out, it's not a step UP the ladder. It seems that society is constantly being knocked down a rung and more and more things that were once unthinkable are becoming commonplace in our lives. I don't think we can stop this, but it wouldn't hurt to slow it down a little.<br /><br /><br />We now return you to your regularly scheduled e-brawl. <br /><br />spots

 

[ZmOz]

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Originally posted by brother chris:<br />Other than that, it makes you stupid(or at least, forgetful) over the long run.

While under the influence, yes. "Over the long run" (if you're refering to permanent forgetfullness even when not high) ABSOLUTELY NOT.<br /><br />

Originally posted by CN Spots:<br /> As far as it generating money for the state I am uncertain. I fear that the only one making any money off such a thing would be Phillp Morris and the like.<br />

If it's taxed at $50-$200/ounce that money would go DIRECTLY to the state and would be 100% free profit for them. At the same time they would be spending less on prosecuting people for marijuana. Sure, companies like Philip Morris would make truckloads of money too, but what's wrong with that? Better them than some Mexican or Columbian druglord. Marijuana can be grown pretty much anywhere, meaning it would create local jobs just about everywhere it's legal.