Nautolex and 3m spray adhesive?

[SKEETR]

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There is a product used in floor vinyl called seam sealer. It is a must have for a permanent seam. I believe it is a type of two part epoxy and is applied with a sqeeze bottle with a very thin spout. Unsure about it's UV rating. Goes on clear in gloss or matte also sold at HD.

On the 3m note I used the 90 on some soundproofing and although it stuck fine innitially it did not like getting hot and delaminated. I would not use it on a floor. DECK !! sorry JB

Also I would vinyl the deck and then reinstall a vinyl wrapped seatbox on top. Kindof a waste of material but a seam at a seat would probably separate eventually.

 

[erikgreen]

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The problem with the seams I have is that they have to stay unlinked... I have to be able to remove the deck section over the fuel tank.

So I edged the tank hatch in aluminum angle. It looks ok, but not great, and it's too easy to catch things on. So I'll re-do with either carpet, which will hide the seam anyway, or rhino-liner, which won't need the edging.

I used, in order of attempt, 3m super 77, 3m super 90, and weldwood contact cement. The weldwood stuck best, but not as well as basic I/O carpet glue that I used for carpet elsewhere.

Erik

 

[sschefer]

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Yup, seam sealer is an option.

 

[SKEETR]

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Normally in a location, like at a hatch, you would roll the vinyl over the edge and staple under the deck. If that is not an option now, and the vinyl edge is exposed and peeling, perhaps some gorilla glue would last longer.

 

[fishrdan]

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I'm about to pull the trigger on getting the Nautolex... we have a 20' Starcraft supersport and are redoing the interior this winter. the carpet on our deck is shot so we were looking into this product as an option.

Here's a couple of pics of the 18' Crestliner I'm working on,,, work in progress.

I can't imagine how difficult it would be to get dirt out of the crevices in that vinyl.

I've vacuumed the Marideck/Nautloex (what ever it was that I got off Ebay) and it was 100x easier than carpet with dry stuff,,, but I haven't had to clean anything wet or sticky yet though

use that J-Roller to work out all of the air and excess glue.

Yes the J roller is your friend with deck vinyl.

Normally in a location, like at a hatch, you would roll the vinyl over the edge and staple under the deck.

Yeah, all the info I read on marine floor vinyl suggested to wrap it around the edge and staple underneath so it doesn't pull free.


On all of the deck panels I wrapped the vinyl around to the bottom, gluing everything down the stapled every 4", extras on the corners. On the dog house I sewed the corners (talk about a PITA since this stuff does not stretch and it had to be perfect) and then glued it down with exterior carpet glue, troweled with a 1/16" v-notch and the J rolled to death.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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Use clear gorilla glue on your seams....also nautolex is not waterproof

 

[Mark42]

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Use clear gorilla glue on your seams....also nautolex is not waterproof

Why isn't it waterproof? Its made of vinyl, and I thought that was waterproof.

 

[jennis9]

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fishrdan,

thanks for the pics - I have seen your post before and the application looks impressive. I think we may wrap it on the kickplates as well instead of using vinyl (that doesn't last long on our boat).

I have a situation like erikg's -- the deck hatch opens down the center to allow access to the gas tank and ski locker. in wrapping around the sides of the deck wells I may need to plane the sides of the hatch in order for it to butt neatly depending on the thickness. There's carpet there now - so there shouldn;t be an issue.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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http://www.omnova.com/products/marineOEMUpholstery/documents/NautolexFlrWarranty.pdf

http://www.omnova.com/products/marineOEMUpholstery/marineflooring.aspx

Read the pdf files

 

[Mark42]

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http://www.omnova.com/products/marineOEMUpholstery/documents/NautolexFlrWarranty.pdf

http://www.omnova.com/products/marineOEMUpholstery/marineflooring.aspx

Read the pdf files

I read them, but I don't see anything about the deck vinyl not being waterproof. What you referring to?

Marine Flooring Limited Three Year Warranty
Subject to the limitations and conditions described below, OMNOVA Solutions Inc. warrants to its customers who are manufacturers of boats (?Customers?) that OMNOVA will replace Nautolex? marine flooring products (?Product?) if such products fail during normal use due to defects in materials or workmanship during the period of thirty six (36) months from the first retail sale of a boat containing such flooring as original equipment. This warranty extends only to customers who are manufacturers of boats.
If Product fails to meet this Warranty, OMNOVA will replace defective Product and pay competitive labor rates for re-installation of the Product, with a limit of twenty dollars per linear yard of Product. THE REMEDY DESCRIBED IN THIS PARAGRAPH IS THE SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REMEDY FOR DEFECTS IN NAUTOLEX PRODUCTS. Under no circumstances shall OMNOVA be liable
for incidental or consequential damages.
This warranty specifically excludes (a) damage caused by abrasive elements; (b) damage caused by improper installation; (c) damage or deterioration due to the use of improper cleaning materials or procedures; and (d) damage caused by adhesives.
OMNOVA MAKES NO OTHER WARRANTY, EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING ANY WARRANTY OF MERCHANTABILITY
OR FITNESS FOR PARTICULAR PURPOSE.

It doesn't exclude contact with water as voiding the warranty.

Can you point out exactly what indicates to you that the vinyl decking is not waterproof? I would appreciate it.

Thanks!

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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Sorry about that Mark.. Ondarv pointed this out to me sometime back i will find the links....I to have installed the sharkskin and the backing is woven and sealed with a vinyl....this might take a few hours..

 

[SKEETR]

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If you pour a cup of water on it it will not ever seep thru. However cuts, gouges, condensation, all effect the wood beneath. So "waterproof" no... 2stroke oil will dye the vinyl as demonstrated by my boats previous owner. But I like it all the same so I re-vinyled my deck.

 

[Mark42]

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I know water will pretty much permiate anything if left in contact long enough (as demonstrated by osmosis blisters on sail boat hulls). As long as the vinyl decking will repel water left in contact for a few days or even a few weeks, I would consider it doing its job. Thats why if I use it, I want to make sure seams are sealed water tight, or at least as water proof as can be reasonably expected.

 

[jennis9]

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One more thought about this product... is there any evidence how gas will affect it. we need to keep our 6gal on board for the kicker. sometimes a few drops meet the deck in fillup and/or oil mix.

Good point from skeeter on the staining - erik also mentioned that the silkscreen would come off with certain chemicals.

 

[sschefer]

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I just got a 21 ft roll of Cabela's Standard Marine Vinyl flooring. I'm going to test some of the concerns in this post and I'll get back to all after the weekend. If it fails any of the more important ones I'll send it back and go with the Nautolex.

 

[marquette]

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about 10yrs ago i put a casting deck in a boat that didn't have one. my wife wanted it carpeted o be nicer on her feet even though the rest of the boat had a vinyl covered deck. i used an adhsive that said safe for carpet or vinyl. the next year i installed a livewell along 1 side. i bought marine vinyl that matched the deck. i used the adhesive i had left since it was "safe" for vinyl. it appeared to work well for about 2 yrs. then the vinyl started to yellow and you could see the pattern of the adhesive starting to show through. it never became sticky or melted the vinly it just yellowed it badly. so my advice would be to make sure whatever adhesive is used it is approved by the maker of the vinyl or Nautolex. because it is alot of work and expence to have it change colors in a couple of years. i know the next time i will only use the exact product and brand the manufacturer recommends not a salesman.

 

[Mark42]

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about 10yrs ago i put a casting deck in a boat that didn't have one. my wife wanted it carpeted o be nicer on her feet even though the rest of the boat had a vinyl covered deck. i used an adhsive that said safe for carpet or vinyl. the next year i installed a livewell along 1 side. i bought marine vinyl that matched the deck. i used the adhesive i had left since it was "safe" for vinyl. it appeared to work well for about 2 yrs. then the vinyl started to yellow and you could see the pattern of the adhesive starting to show through. it never became sticky or melted the vinly it just yellowed it badly. so my advice would be to make sure whatever adhesive is used it is approved by the maker of the vinyl or Nautolex. because it is alot of work and expence to have it change colors in a couple of years. i know the next time i will only use the exact product and brand the manufacturer recommends not a salesman.

Good point! I read about people using various adhesives to put down carpet and vinyl. I know the adhesive Nautolex sells is more expensive, but at least there will be no issues with product compatability.

If you shop around the deco dot can be found for $20 a yard, and the adhesive for $60 gallon.

 

[sschefer]

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then the vinyl started to yellow and you could see the pattern of the adhesive starting to show through.

That's very interesting, I was looking at Lowe and Crestliners last summer and noticed that the demo boats with vinyl seemed to have a dirty yellow tinge to them. I was thinking of buying one of the demo boats and the salesman assured me he could have that detailed out. After your post I suspect not.

 

[fishrdan]

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Good point about compatible adhesive and I hope it doesn't come back to bite me. I'm not too worried about the contact cement as it out-gasses quickly, but the water based exterior carpet adhesive has me wondering. I also treated all of my marine ply with Copper Green which can leach it's color pretty easy, petroleum based, nice neon green color. I haven't noticed any discoloration from the Copper Green in 4 months and I know it is still out-gassing.

sschefer, I wouldn't be surprised if Cabelas or BPS marine vinyl flooring is either Nautolex or Marideck. Both companies say it's "their" brand of marine vinyl,,, but I'm under the impression they just rebranded it. Why advertise it as Nautolex or Marideck so your shoppers can go hunting down better prices...

and the salesman assured me

LOL,,, Like we all haven't heard that one before

I don't know what Crestliner is using to stick down their deck vinyl,,, but my 01 SuperHawk had a clear heat activated adhesive holding the carpet down. I assume (you know what they say about ***-u-me ing) they might use this for the vinyl also as this adhesive appears to be ideal for production lines. Get it hot (ooh lets say 150-200*) and it's easy to work with but cool it down and the sheet good is stuck. When I pulled the carpet off my Crestliner, in August, in 110* temps, the sunny side of the boat just peeled right off since the adhesive had warmed up,,, later in the day I pulled it off the shady side and I must have looked like I was wrestling an alligator

While installing the vinyl on the sides of my boat I had a mis-hap,,, left the spray gun full of contact cement hanging directly above the vinyl and went to grad a sandwich. Yeah came back and the gun tipped leaving a huge 12"x3" contact cement drip mark going down the vinyl I grabbed xylene and a scrub brush and scrubbed it for 5-10 minutes, it slightly discolored the vinyl, but not bad for what I had just done to the vinyl. Luckily my mistake is mostly hidden...

 

[Tail_Gunner]

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Lots of posting going on here...For myself i used pl11 poly glue, not temp sensative...dries within hour....it takes only a very thin film which will make for easy removal someday. As to the edges or seams the last 1/4" i used gorrilla glue in a clear form and rolled down the edges firmly...you have to stare very closely to see the seam and it will give you a headache if you stare to long...

It's been in for a year now with no degradation...As simple as using a hose to clean and rinse....fish blood no problem....no fading yet i expect years of wear from this product...Remeber BoomYal that crabby old Phart.....He recomended it highly and he one old sour puss...i cant imagine if it satisfied him how anyone would be dissapointed....


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