need a sticky/link on how to use a basic volt meter

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its a little more than 12k......yearly calibration on the meters cost over a grand a year but there just tools and i bet most mechanics have that much in wrenchs and stuff. ive already noticed that boats are starting to get networked sensors so it might not be all that long before calabrating sensors becomes a yearly job on the big expensive boats.
 
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Just curious Glenn, have you looked at the new sticky at the top of this forum? I put it up yesterday morning.

thanks don that will make it easier than trying to explain it just using text
 

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In an engineering lab, no one uses a test light. I have a extra Fluke meter that I bought specifically for my boat and it stays in there.

Most of the problems I see on the forum are voltage drop issues where someone can't figure out why they are getting 9 volts at the helm with a load turned on. Need a meter for that.

The best thing that a test light will do is to put a small load on a circuit. Many people will get fooled using a meter on a circuit that has a high resistance with no load becuase you will still read full voltage..

I agree with everything Bruce said here. A light's only advantage is that it's quick. But if you need quantifiable information - and with electrical circuits you often do - then measurement is required. If I ever kept a light on board, there would also be a multi-meter. The light might tell me where to look, but the meter would explain what I'm seeing.
 

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I agree with everything Bruce said here. A light's only advantage is that it's quick. But if you need quantifiable information - and with electrical circuits you often do - then measurement is required. If I ever kept a light on board, there would also be a multi-meter. The light might tell me where to look, but the meter would explain what I'm seeing.

Yes .. electronic circuits you need the meter involved .. but not for a simple 12 volt light.

So I guess the question needs to be asked .. are we talking evaluating a basic 12 volt meter..( basic 12 volt testing ) .. or are we going to get into 12 thousand bucks worth of testing tools that can diagnose a stator/resistor/board or resister on the fly ..

Just asking is all.. two different majors here ..

YD.
 
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like i said jd i still use a 11 dollar wiggy most days. i realy wish that the cheap wallyworld meters were simple and only had volts/ohms/amps as thats all that is needs and to be honest you could realy get away with just the volts for what most people will need. theres nothing worse then reading in ohms then noticing that its auto configured to meg ohms and you are reading your own body resistance. on a boat under 10ohm is closed over 500 ohms its open so close is good enoght. i have no wish to explain how to test every component and most boat parts are cheap enoght that its a good or bad reading. im sure we could take a tach to bits and trouble shoot it down to component level but im not going there on my own boat so theres no way im going to try explaining that when its cheaper to test then replace. testing a diode on a light switch is possible but thats about as advanced as i want to go. i personally dont care to much about the numbers on the meter while working on lights and stuff and i realy dont pay much attention past the decimal point so it wouldnt bother me to use a test light if i had one and with solid state relays being so cheap i might have to buy one as a modern volt meter will give a false reading.
the questions we need to ask is what tests can a normal person with no experiance do to assist is working out why the basic systems on the boat do not work. dons guide to testing the fuse panel will help alot of people. my amp test will help a few people. ive asked don to help me make another on finding a short circuit using a bulb in place of a fuse, thats the same test every 4x4 place uses for finding temp shorts due to wire rub etc, i dont expect that people will know the ans but i expect that we can ask them to carry out a test and give us the results so we can help them back on to the water.
i know this could open a can of worms.....i got this reading why.......urr why are you testing that in the first place kinda deal but its better than have you checked....then check this...then check this when using a meter or light would give a better idea. if im helping a poster that can not give me a reading i tend to put .....proberly or maybe in my ans as i can only go on what they see i would rather ans on what reading they have as electric has to follow rules where a poster can be a little fluid with what happened and how we got to the point where the smoke came out.
 

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Capital letters, paragraphs and spell check are your friends. I got tired half way through this.^^^^^^
 

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like i said jd i still use a 11 dollar wiggy most days. i realy wish that the cheap wallyworld meters were simple and only had volts/ohms/amps as thats all that is needs and to be honest you could realy get away with just the volts for what most people will need. theres nothing worse then reading in ohms then noticing that its auto configured to meg ohms and you are reading your own body resistance. on a boat under 10ohm is closed over 500 ohms its open so close is good enoght. i have no wish to explain how to test every component and most boat parts are cheap enoght that its a good or bad reading. im sure we could take a tach to bits and trouble shoot it down to component level but im not going there on my own boat so theres no way im going to try explaining that when its cheaper to test then replace. testing a diode on a light switch is possible but thats about as advanced as i want to go. i personally dont care to much about the numbers on the meter while working on lights and stuff and i realy dont pay much attention past the decimal point so it wouldnt bother me to use a test light if i had one and with solid state relays being so cheap i might have to buy one as a modern volt meter will give a false reading.
the questions we need to ask is what tests can a normal person with no experiance do to assist is working out why the basic systems on the boat do not work. dons guide to testing the fuse panel will help alot of people. my amp test will help a few people. ive asked don to help me make another on finding a short circuit using a bulb in place of a fuse, thats the same test every 4x4 place uses for finding temp shorts due to wire rub etc, i dont expect that people will know the ans but i expect that we can ask them to carry out a test and give us the results so we can help them back on to the water.
i know this could open a can of worms.....i got this reading why.......urr why are you testing that in the first place kinda deal but its better than have you checked....then check this...then check this when using a meter or light would give a better idea. if im helping a poster that can not give me a reading i tend to put .....proberly or maybe in my ans as i can only go on what they see i would rather ans on what reading they have as electric has to follow rules where a poster can be a little fluid with what happened and how we got to the point where the smoke came out.

(Glenn, I agree with the wiggy on 120, 240, 480, etc. Nothing like it.) A light is pretty limiting, especially on a boat. The wet environment produces lots of conditions that are neither go nor no-go, but somewhere in between - i.e., leakage, high-resistance short, etc. An amateur will simply die on his check list when the light is "half-lit". ("Oh great, what do I do now?")

I think your idea for the sticky is a good one and well worthwhile. I guess it's even more work than first thought, hey?

How about assigning topics to some of us? Break it down into sub-topics and see how many of us volunteer to take one or another. I'm willing and I'll bet Bruce is too. There may be others as well.

Then we can collect it all, edit to format, and turn it over to Don for illustration.

Thoughts?
 
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g12 im not realy in charge so any help would be great. The hard part seems to be decieding what problem a meter is the best tool for and how it should be tested. As a group its been decieded we are staying away from shore power as anyone that needs to know the basic use of a volt meter does not need to be playing with 110v. fell free to voice your ideas
 

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its a little more than 12k......yearly calibration on the meters cost over a grand a year but there just tools and i bet most mechanics have that much in wrenchs and stuff. ive already noticed that boats are starting to get networked sensors so it might not be all that long before calabrating sensors becomes a yearly job on the big expensive boats.

Im just saying.. put up your 12 thousand dollars of meter and experience into a Thread of How to Use a simple 12 volt meter. The mods might put into a Sticky.

I have a $40 meter from Craftsman that does everything from Ohm to Thermocoupler readings. The directions on HOW to use it was in the book that came with the unit..

I guess I just dont understand what exactly you want Sticked.

Provide some "how to" uses of a multi-meter in your field of expertise .. and it could go into the top Locked thread.

Other then that.. its a basic how to determine a short ( whatever ) in such and such motor field. That would require a set range on that particular unit .. not all units are the same.

Again.. what again are you asking ? .. "need a sticky/link on how to use a basic volt meter" or is it "need a link to do complex readings on a basic volt meter ( No 12,000 tools involved )." ?

YD.
 
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yd you seem hung up on the meters its doesnt matter if its a meter or a light if you dont know where to touch the probes to test then its not going to work. the thread is how to use a meter to find the problem.

another way to look at this is to tell everyone working on the outboard water pump that they need wrenchs with out telling them which bolts they need to undo. It doesnt matter if they have snap-on or made in china wrenchs if they dont know which bolts and basic righty-tighty lefty-loosy then do we need to tell them to take it to the shop
 
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"Provide some "how to" uses of a multi-meter in your field of expertise .. and it could go into the top Locked thread."

with dons help there are 2 in there now there real basic and people seem to like them as there simple
 
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