Throwing in the towel

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fishrdan

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was told it would work fine buy a omc guy...

No wonder OMC went out of business :D :p

Using a large port manifold on a small port head (or the other way around) is asking for problems. Get a manifold with the correct port configuration or use a head that matches your manifold.

That adapter plate would most likely cure the vacuum leak, but it's still not going to perform as well as a properly matched head and manifold. I wouldn't do the adapter plate as you will be killing performance. The $150 adapter is almost the price of a new manifold.

Be aware, some of the manifolds have a different carb bolt pattern and bore spacing,,, Rochester carb compared to a Mercarb. I'm not sure, but would almost bet that any "high performance" manifold with the smaller intake ports is going to be setup for a Mercarb, instead of a Rochester carb. (correct me if I'm wrong on that one...)

This type of mismatch problem comes up a couple times a year when someone is trying to swap around 2.5L/3.0L/120HP/130HP/140HP/ parts from different years. Even though the 4 cylinder GM marine engine has been around for 40+ years, not all parts are swappable. Then going from OMC to Mercruiser...
 

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They dont make the exhaust manifold anymore...So I would need a new head..At this point whats another 600 bucks,lol.I ordered the adapter from here,hope it works.
 

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CobiaXL

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So how much time and money you got in this thing?

My hour meter broke on day 1 of the purchase.Im in 1700 total..including purchase of boat and trailer,New deck and transom,rebuild,new seats,Depth/fish finder and alot of spare parts.I get really cheap hourly labor..
 

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I get really cheap hourly labor..
10 cents a hour...

Well anyhow with all the crap you have put on it.. You have done OK other than all the extra part chunking.. After the price of parts started invading my wife's shoe fund.. Mine would come to the garage and ask the dreaded.. " you ever going to get this thing fixed?" " got it running yet?"
 

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I think it may be time to part ways with that engine altogether, and put in a nice 4.3, or maybe a nice big, honkin v-8.
 

fishrdan

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http://www.michiganmotorz.com/images/res/mc-1-96705_250_158.jpg
I'm currently looking for this manifold..Most sites i have found say they have it available but they send a differ one with bigger ports.They says it a universal manifold....lol BS

That wasn't the manifold I was thinking of, but... I went through the same thing when I needed a new manifold 5 years ago, the same one you are looking for now. They sent me the manifold you have on your engine right now,,, and after looking at it really close, I saw that there were going to be mating problems between the head/manifold ports. The ports were kind of close and I probably would have experienced the same problems your going through if I kept it, but I sent it back and had them ship me the "correct" manifold. Call Barr direct and ask them where you can buy the correct manifold, MC1 52390 looks like the right one.
 

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52390 would be the intake i have now and doesn't match the head....mc1 95862 is what I need.On hold with barr now,Thanks for the info.
 

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barr says no reason why my combo shouldn't work....Hmmm can you say launch and forget to tighten plug?
 

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Have you removed the manifold and inspected the gasket to see where it wasn't sealing properly? Check the head/manifold mating surface and see if they are flat and true?

If Barr said the head/mani combo will work, and you have a vacuum leak (engine speed changing when carb cleaner sprayed around gasket) then there has to be something going on, gasket not sealing correctly, fasteners not torqued correctly.

I'd check the sealing surfaces to make sure they are flat, install a new gasket, then see if you still have a vacuum leak, carb cleaner test. Though, I'm not too sure that's going to cure your high RPM (lean?) popping.
 

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New manifold is on and engine runs better but still pops at 4300 rpm and higher..Just gonna run it lean I guess...Out of things to replace.
 

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You said 2 rebuilt carbs were on the engine, were these 140HP/3.0 carbs? Are the main jets the correct size? You could try swapping to a bigger size main jet, running 60's try 62's. Jets for a Rochester are kind of hard to find. I had to order my high altitude jets form a carb shop in So Cal, don't remember their name though...

Was the rebuild a stock engine, were any tweaks done like high compression pistons or bigger cam?
 

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ya both carbs were from 3.0's.I also tried differ jets.Was up to 72's with no difference.Boat runs like a champ as long as u don't open throttle more then 3/4 way.When on plane I then pull throttle back to 1/4 open and cruise at 4200 rpms all day with no popping.
engine was bored .20 and was rebuilt completely with stock parts.New cam and lifters
 
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