Use the Sherman anti-trust act

txswinner · May 9, 2006

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KaGee, You kidding break up of bell greatly reduced cost of phone. We used to pay $.45 per minute to call KC. JB oh well you are a big time mod so why try to discuss anything with you. 5 companies competing, not a monopoly come on pull out the head. You want to tell me they all have the exact same overhead and therefore prices are not competitive. If you believe that you need to think W is a great president.

imported_Curmudgeon · May 9, 2006

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Ethanol has a part, just not the whole pie. Won't argue that, but you better keep a close eye on Queen Nancy, then. She (and her party) wants to remake us in the image of Brazil in 10 years, and her bag is pretty empty when you look past that insanity. When your life has been manipulated to the point we are import-free, what's left will go to the economic infrastructure - and it won't be cheap. Some will likely get the life-altering changes they seek, and they that won't be cheap, either. Being self-sufficient in energy will cost far, far more than anyone is being led to believe.

KaGee · May 10, 2006

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Originally posted by txswinner: KaGee, You kidding break up of bell greatly reduced cost of phone. We used to pay $.45 per minute to call KC.

Cell Phones came shortly thereafter, offering free long distance included is more responsible for that. Base prices for your home phone have not gone down. They've gone up, largely because of tax increases. The government only screws things up more when they meddle in the market. You cannot honestly prove otherwise. Hmmmm.... Whirlpool just announced a cutback in employment as part of the consolidation of Maytag. I suppose we need a government investigation of Big Appliances next. Whirlpool, White Consolidated and GE are now the Big Three of the appliance world.

Haut Medoc · May 10, 2006

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Yep, but they are not price gouging on a commodity with the administration's blessing

.....JK

heycods · May 10, 2006

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Originally posted by Haut Medoc: Yep, but they are not price gouging on a commodity with the administration's blessing .....JK

Priced a new refrigerator and a washer and dryer lately????????

Haut Medoc · May 10, 2006

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Yep, I just bought a new house.... Two days ago I bought a new refrigerator $1799, stove $899, microwave,(over the counter) $499, dishwasher $499, washer $799 & dryer $699... They are the stainless steel ones that the woman wanted..... They are Maytag & I expect to get 10-15 years out of them.....A bargain, IMHO, since we didn't have to invade any countries to produce them

.....JK

heycods · May 10, 2006

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Originally posted by Haut Medoc: Yep, I just bought a new house.... Two days ago I bought a new refrigerator $1799, stove $899, microwave,(over the counter) $499, dishwasher $499, washer $799 & dryer $699... They are the stainless steel ones that the woman wanted..... They are Maytag & I expect to get 10-15 years out of them.....A bargain, IMHO, since we didn't have to invade any countries to produce them .....JK

Rich white honky republican

Seriously matag is the best for me, built this house in 78, replaced the original matags 3 years ago. washer was still fine, I got tired of putting elements in the dryer, but it never had a bearing change and raised 2 heathern boys in the country. Says a lot for thier product. Thier repairman may be the lonliest man in the world, becaus thier products are simple to work on,

QC · May 10, 2006

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I have no idea why I stayed out of this one . . . you're welcome

I only have three comments: 1) Why does anybody have to do anything about energy? IMHO economics 101 will straighten it out. If it is economical to import Ethanol somebody will. If it is economical to turn our farmland into fuel sources and import food instead, somebody will. If it is economical to run snail snot in a heavy-duty truck, it will happen. PW2 doesn't believe in econ 101, he believes that we should drive down demand by artificially raising fuel prices through taxation. This is so we will be as responsible as our European brethren when purchasing and driving vehicles (hint: they are not responsible they are slaves to fuel taxes. Fuel taxes make high performance vehicles and boats the toys of the super rich only). 2) Hybrids are not alternate fuel vehicles and they are not a panacea . . . As JB kinda noted, high tech diesels would make more of an impact on overall fuel use than hybrids. US emission laws (local, state and federal) have more to do with our dependence on inefficient gasoline technology than anything else. 3) Even the Frogger has gone off the deep end with this one. How will $3.20 a gallon guarantee that your fuel comes from the US? Maybe a sign at the pump that says "This fuel is from 100% domestic supply" while the station across the street says "Our fuel is refined from oil from wherever we can get it and is .50 a gallon cheaper" Where do you think the line will form? See point #1

RubberFrog · May 10, 2006

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Originally posted by QC: 3) Even the Frogger has gone off the deep end with this one. How will $3.20 a gallon guarantee that your fuel comes from the US? Maybe a sign at the pump that says "This fuel is from 100% domestic supply" while the station across the street says "Our fuel is refined from oil from wherever we can get it and is .50 a gallon cheaper" Where do you think the line will form? See point #1

Why does everybody insist on misinterpreting what I said? I didn't say I want to pay 3.20 a gallon. I said if the difference was 2.70 for terrorist gas or 3.20 for freedom fuel, I would choose 3.20. Emphasis on the made in America part, not the price. I am not advocating artificially raising the price of anything. I am very familiar with econ 101, econ 102, econ 360 and econ 420. Don't get me started on Acct 101, 202, 310.... I do practice what I preach and anytime I have a chance to buy an American product over a foreign one, even at a higher price, I take it. Remember how much I hate walmart? Unfortunately, many folks are too broke to be able to afford that sort of patriotism and are forced to shop at walmart and line up for QC's hypothetical 2.70 terrorist gas instead of the 3.20 freedom fuel. Was I clear enough that time? I'm not a liberal. Neither am I a Capitalista. edit: love your new avatar!

heycods · May 10, 2006

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Originally#1

Why does everybody insist on misinterpreting what I said? . edit: love your new avatar! [/QB][/quote] Go back to one liners and you want have this problem

I like the ava. too QC

QC · May 10, 2006

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Thanks on the avatar. That was kind of a backhanded compliment as usually our positions are pretty consistent. I just think you are the 1 in 1,000 that would fill up at the higher cost station . . . No slam, just think that it would flop. If it was within a nickel, then maybe you got something there. The $2.70 was yours and the terrorists #, not mine

I am not into protectionist trade stuff. I make an exception with China as they don't play by Western Intellectual Property rules. The Walmart thing is tricky too as cheaper stuff purchased from Walmart theoretically leaves more cash in the consumer's pocket to buy other, possibly American made stuff . . . Too connected to separate much of it if you ask me. Did we just kiss and make up?

RubberFrog · May 10, 2006

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Let's just say we shook hands....

You, of course, are right about the 1 in 1,000. And you're right about walmart. It is to interlocked and most of the junk they carry is the same stuff being sold elsewhere. I think I just use it as my excuse not to shop in that madhouse. That's why I think we should raise taxes!!!! Just kidding!

RubberFrog · May 10, 2006

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heycods: go shave your head.

DJ · May 10, 2006

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I'd drive a veggie sipping diesel too, if it were available. The problem is, even if it were, the infrastructure. I have allot of experience with bio-diesel. It is a PAIN to maintain. Because of the bio, the microbes in natural (as we know it) diesel BLOOM in a bio environment. That creates filter issues, beyond belief. It's OK in a "controlled" filling location. Nationwide, it would be a nightmare. As it is, we, here in AZ, get garbage diesel-35/37 cetane-tops. Most diesels today require 40 cetane to perform correctly. We can't even provide a consistant fuel now, what makes one think we could control a bio fuel?

KaGee · May 10, 2006

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Enjoy your Maytag's boys... it's soon to be said... "that aint your father's Maytag". I own a laundry pair of the Atlantis series. Without a doubt they can't be beat. Who knows now that WP owns them.

heycods · May 10, 2006

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Originally posted by RubberFrog: heycods: go shave your head.

Much better

PW2 · May 10, 2006

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For most things, I agree that simple economics should sort things out. However, energy is a natural security issue, fundamental to every aspect of society as we know it. This country can do wonderous things if it puts its collective mind to it, chooses good leaders for it, and properly funds the effort. The notion that private industry, and the entrepreneurial spirit will save the day is foolhardy optimism, IMHO. It might happen, but should it be left to chance and hope? There are tons of real diseases out there without available drugs, and the drug industry develops Viagra. Industry will spend their time and money on those things that promise the best, mostly short term, return to their stockholders. That's not a bad thing-that's just what they do. There is a place for government, with a longer range strategic view, to be involved.

QC · May 10, 2006

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Originally posted by PW2: It might happen, but should it be left to chance and hope?

Well I have a little more faith in the market, but I understand that energy is vital. That we agree on.

Originally posted by PW2: There are tons of real diseases out there without available drugs, and the drug industry develops Viagra.

This is a good point, however, you must admit that energy's opportunties are much easier to predict than bird flu . . . When there is a market driver like sex

investors and innovators rush to meet it.

Originally posted by PW2: Industry will spend their time and money on those things that promise the best

Like energy?

Originally posted by PW2: There is a place for government, with a longer range strategic view, to be involved.

Kinda maybe like . . . err . . . our security? Sorry, you teed it up, gotta take a whack at it

PW2 · May 11, 2006

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Take a technology like Hydrogen, for example. Now I don't have any idea whether H is a viable alternative or not, but there is no way private industry will develop it, because without the investment in the infrastructure necessary to distribute it, there is no way that the auto industry will ever gear up to make the vehicles to utilize it--- And without the consumers of the product (autos) there is no way anyone non-governmental will invest in the infrastructure. Private industry of necessity will only make available slight variations of what we are already doing because of existing markets and returns--it has to avoid substantive changes out of necessity. Is it a good thing to limit the technological advances to only those things that will create an immediate return?

Haut Medoc · May 11, 2006

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We can make a giant "Hamster Wheel" turbine & power it with the illegal immigrants pouring over our southern border

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