Vice President Shoots Lawyer

[llfish]

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2005 in Texas 30 + accidental shootings while hunting. While 4 + million licenses issues. Chance of being shot by a hunter pretty slim.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Will D!ck get his his hunting license revoked for SWI?................ Shooting while ignorant! <br />I think that if you fill someone's buns with bird shot your 'privilege' should be taken away..<br />He should have to take a safety course as well before it is re-instated .....JK

 

[jtexas]

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PW2, that "heartbeat away from running the country" could be his last, ya know. <br /><br />Saturday night or Sunday morning (I forget which) the ranch owner asked D!ck for permission to speak to a local reporter about the incident and he agreed, apparently reconsidering his earlier decision. That's from a Dallas Morning News story. Seems to me he must've agreed with you that the Press Sec. was taking too long with it. That or else they figured a third party report would be more credible with the opposition, and it was late enough to prevent it making the Sunday morning political talk shows.<br /><br />As far as letting a private citizen break the news being "indicative of the administration's decision making process" and considering the outcome, I'd say that was one of their better decisions.<br /><br />Of course, since we all know that you know that the truth in dogsdad's words: "Like all accidents, it only takes a moment of carelessness, and usually there are multiple infractions of various safety rules," this appears to be a troll of the highest order.<br /><br />BTW, QC, Clinton was not guilty of perjury. Not every lie is perjury; I suspect you know that, which puts you in the position of "yeabuttal troll". <br /><br />[edit for breaking news: I take back everything I said about the decision to delay reporting the incident: Time Online says it was all D!ck. But I still don't see how it could be called a "coverup." It's not like he left the man for dead.]

 

[oddjob]

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Originally posted by Haut Medoc:<br /> Will D!ck get his his hunting license revoked for SWI?................ Shooting while ignorant! <br />I think that if you fill someone's buns with bird shot your 'privilege' should be taken away..<br />He should have to take a safety course as well before it is re-instated .....JK

I will agree with that...

 

[oddjob]

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BTW if what Cheney did was/is a crime, at least he didnt leave the scene to sleep it off first..

 

[QC]

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jtex,<br /><br />My "yeabuttal" is that I said "perjured himself" and I maintain the analogy is at least semi-valid as Mr. Cheney has also not been found guilty of attempted murder or anything else for that matter . . .<br /><br />Thanks though, my recollection was incorrect. I thought that he was convicted of perjury and then Impeached, but after a refresher now know that he was Impeached, but never convicted.<br /><br />I was noticing your outrage over the "sticker". I have been reading that this is a new sticker and that all violators are receiving warnings. Is that your understanding today?

 

[jtexas]

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From Texas Parks & Wildlife 2005 Hunting Accident Report <br /><br />Total hunting accidents in 2005: 30<br />Fatal: 2<br />Non-fatal: 28<br />While hunting quail/pheasant: 6<br />Victim covered by shooter swinging on game: 12<br />Self-inflicted: 11<br />Alcohol a factor: 1<br /><br />The fatal accidents consisted of a deer hunter accidentally discharging his weapon into his own chest while placing it on the front seat of his vehicle, and a grandfather shooting at hogs over the roof of his ATV, bullet richocheted off the roof, sending bullet fragments through the roof and into his 6-year-old granddaughter's chest.<br /><br />There's a description of every accident; several are of this variety: "Victim was covered by shooter swinging on game outside of his safe zone of fire. Victim had just retrieved a downed bird." <br /><br />I haven't seen "safe zone of fire" mentioned in any of the Cheney story. Could be the victim walked into it, maybe D!ck swung out of it. Either way, it's gotta be tough on the man. If it doesn't shake him up a bit, that's cause for concern.<br /><br />[edited to answer QC's question...I'm not a hunter, so I haven't been noticing stuff like that...I was outraged over the "warning" instead of a ticket because that is so very rare, I mean, every time there's an enforcement rant on the fishing forum, people always contribute their stories, including hunting stories, and there's always some who step up to defend the honor of Game Wardens but nobody ever ever reports getting a warning. But, if it's the norm I'll have to withdraw my objection.]

 

[18rabbit]

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The lawyer missed a perfectly good opportunity to legally shoot back.

 

[mattttt25]

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what if this guy dies? is the vp then in risk of prosecution for something? heard on the news this guy is not doing so well...

 

[DJ]

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It took how long to report "Chappaquidik???<br />(purposely mispelled)<br /><br /> I see a "witch hunt".

 

[dogsdad]

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Originally posted by mattttt25:<br /> what if this guy dies? is the vp then in risk of prosecution for something? heard on the news this guy is not doing so well...

If the man does die, then the VP should be held accountable as anyone else would, but I think there's a constitutional provosion for the deferment of the case until he's out of office. Not sure about that, though.

 

[dogsdad]

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Originally posted by DJ:<br />I see a "witch hunt".

Yup. Desparate people do desparate things, and the liberal press is just dying to appoint the next president.

 

[lakelivin]

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Anyone with a medical background that can tell us the difference between a 'stable' condition and a 'good' condition? What are the categories and progression between terms like 'good', 'fair', 'stable', 'critical', etc.?<br /><br />The administration & ranch owner kept talking about this like the injury was minor. Statements like (& I'm paraphrasing, don't recall exact words) "Lawyer came up behind vp & got 'peppered' when vp shot at flushed quail. Not uncommon, several others have been 'peppered' while bird hunting on the ranch". Note the frequent use of the term 'peppered' and not 'shot'. <br /><br />And before the heart thing, "lawyer doing well, alert and joking with nurses" as if it was a minor injury. But he WAS in the intensive care unit, and they reported his condition as 'stable', not 'good'. To me that sounded alot more serious than a minor injury (as the heart thing probably confirmed). <br /><br />My point being, I can understand and forgive an accident. And I don't have much of a problem with the lack of a stamp (although I do think the normal fine should have been assessed unless it's common to be issued a warning, which sounds like is NOT the case). If alchol was involved, that's another story entirely, and VP should be treated like any other hunter who might have had a similar accident.<br /><br />What bothers me is what looks like spin from those close to the incident. If there was a serious hunting accident, just be honest and say so, I can deal with that. But I'm sick of people trying to spin things (politicians on BOTH sides and sports agents jump out as the major violators). It's at the point that I take alot of it as an insult to my intellegence. <br /><br />Lets take a non-political example, as some on here are so entrenched on one political side or the other that they would defend the most outlandish spin as long as it was issued by 'their side'. Remember a couple of years ago when Alex Rodriguez admitted he was somewhat 'embarressed' by his $2.14 billion contract during an interview? His agent came out shortly thereafter and said something like "that's not what Arod meant, what he REALLY meant was....". Give me an f'ing break from the spin, PLEASE.

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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In Fox TV interview, Cheney accepts responsibility for shooting accident -<br /><br /><br />(9742)

 

[PW2]

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I agree completely with your analysis, Lakelivin.<br /><br />I just want to know what happened, without the spin. Probably an impossibility, I suppose.<br /><br />Just some of my questions:<br /><br />How many pellets hit the guy?<br />At 30 yards, with a 28 ga shotgun and size 7 1/2 (presumably steel) shot, I have a hard time believing at that range a pellet could penetrate his clothes, his chest wall, and lodge anywhere near his heart.<br /><br />I don't know. Something doesn't add up in this, IMO

 

[BoatBuoy]

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Was it 28 guage? I thought I heard 20 guage. Not a whole lot of difference though, just a few more shot(in the 20).

 

[POINTER94]

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Cheney unfit for office based on this event. Ted Kennedy and his oldsmobile ready for service. <br /><br />Cheney dodged the draft. Due to his wife and CHILD. That is how he got his waiver. But his family just isn't as important as others.<br /><br />A millionaire agrees to be shot in the face with a shotgun to divert attention. Anyone who believes this needs to be issued their own shotgun for personal target practice.<br /><br />Cheney shoots a friend and seriously injures him and the press wants to know why Cheney didn't call them first? Is this not the height of arrogance. And then complain that the reporter who broke the story wasn't of their little clique. Call a press conference he stubbed his toe. Hillary lost billing records for years and then found them under her bed and no question as to timing? <br /><br />The press is upset so they trash people and create news by fabricating motives, meanwhile the overtly slanted, overblown and pathetic coverage of their colleage being shot in Iraq, for over a week was highly self-indulgent, while real warriors are dying every day.<br /><br />Nobody has indicated Cheney was drinking but lots of speculation. News peppered with speculation isn't news. Someone bring me ouigi board.<br /><br />Nice to see the press has become their own spin machine. No story, make one up. Tonight after the stock market report stay tuned for our new Inuendo segment.<br /><br />What a man does in the privacy of his own hunting ranch with a mutual friend isn't anyones business. What if Cheney shot his friend in the pants with a cigar, would that change anything?<br /><br />A complete non-story on every level. This should be nothing more than fodder for Leno and Letterman.

 

[PW2]

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My biggest problem with this is the story keeps changing. The lady at the ranch first said she called the press on her own, then says she conferred with Cheney first.<br /><br />The story was first that it was this guy's fault he was shot, now it's not.<br /><br />Now we get the VP hand picking the news outlet that gets the story...<br /><br />It stinks, and we are being spun. We probably never will know, but I want to know what really happened. I can only assume by the obfuscation that the *True* story is not something they want published.

 

[QC]

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Oh Puuuuuulllllleeeeeeaassssseee. Make it stop, my sides hurt. I am watching the flippin' LOCAL news and they are calling him "the man who pulled the trigger" and running polls and interviewing people in the streets and then I turn around and I read PW2's comments. With ALL due respect, bwaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahah.<br /><br />While you're speculating PW2, why don't you just tell us what might have happened that this country so desperately needs to know about?

 

[POINTER94]

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Now we get the VP hand picking the news outlet that gets the story...

So Hillary and Katie Couric and the Right Wing Conspiracy with a cigar was not a hand picked outlet. How about Bill on Larry King. Howard Dean on CNN, how about Valairy Plames husbands little article in the NY Times. And Brit Hume has been rated as fair and balanced as any reporter on a major news network. Would you have felt better if Dan Rather had conducted one of his "investigations/interrogations"?<br /><br />The man almost killed another man by accident, and I truely believe he is in a personal hel1, and you think he should have to answer to Al Franken? He doesn't carve up puppies with a dull butter knife, he is, by all knowledgable sources, a warm and considerate human being.<br /><br />I have frequently pointed out that Carter is a good and honest, be it misguided man, and if he was in a similar situation I wouldn't be searching the grassy knoll for a second shooter, I would feel for him and his victim not ascribe motives or machinations based on conspiracy theories or downgrade them on stylepoints.