War

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[Bob Fort]

War

Does anyone on this site doubt that the USA is at war, and has been for five years?

I'm not talking about the specific battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq, tragic as they are; I'm referring to the worldwide war against the terrorism that threatens us daily. While the profile of the threat ebbs and flows over time, do you think there is a constant, all-pervading threat to us here in the USA?

 

[Plainsman]

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Yep, I do.
To bad we can't fight it like it needs to be done. To much PC in this country.

 

[JasonJ]

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I wouldn't call it war, war is where you have battle plans and decisive victories. We are not conducting things as a war. We are throwing money and military might and seeing what sticks. We are far more inefficient that we were in Vietnam. Instead of realizing what we are doing isn't working and changing tactics, we are "staying the course". Anybody who even knows a little about tactics knows when something isn't working, you try something else.

Do we have people who hate us? Yes. Do we have people who would do anything, even kill themselves in the process of crippling us? Yes. The most fun is that terrorism is working against us perfectly. They don't even have to do anything anymore. All they needed to do was a few huge acts, and then just flex towards us and we jump every time.

That is how terrorism works. We have so far gone about this as wrong as we physically could. Make no mistake, the people who hate us are not only very intelligent, but they can predict our every move, and know exactly how to hit us where it hurts the most: Our wallet. Lets see, we are the economic powerhouse of the world. A smart terrorist outfit would wait until an inept leadership takes command, someone who acts before they think. They would want us to, for example, deploy thousands of men and burn billions of dollars to a country that had little to do with what happened. They know that this action will cause further instability in the middle east, which will help destabilize the oil industry. They know that our economy is fragile, and can only take a limitted amount of trauma befoe something has to give.

They know that we will do the majority of the work for them because we will allow the situation to spiral out of control. We will allow oil to rule us, we will stay affixed to the middle east teet, which of course is our undoing. As oil prices goes up, all prices goes up. While some of our populace can absorb the prices, the vast majority are now working multiple part time jobs with no benefits just to put gas in the car so they can get to work.

We as a nation fall right into it blindly. BP decides to shut down 8 percent of our oil supply to fix pipelines. We freak out and the prices go up despite absolutely no interuption in flow whatsoever. People start to notice, and BAM! Big terrorist plot foiled in Brittain. All of a sudden everyone is freaking out, and no one is talking about oil. The terrorists win again, and they didn't even have to die this time. Everybody is scared again, Yay! All the while, the economy is slowly degrading, the prices of groceries are slowly going up, new home construction is slowly destabilizing. The terrorists, all the while, are winning. Why? Because we are spending ourselves into the ground. All they have to do is flex once in awhile, and we freak out. They time it perfectly to coincide with economic trauma. By getting us to focus on them, we lose sight of the real plan, to cripple our economy.

A conspiracy theorist could say that all of it is planned and initiated by our own administration, but I doubt that. I feel that the people in this world who want us eliminated know they can't do it with a frontal attack. They know they can undermine us with our own economy, knowing we will spend ourselves into a deficit. Why didn't they fly the planes into the towers on Clintons watch if he was so inept? Why Bush? Because they knew who would do what. They knew that Clinton would just throw a few cruise missles and call it good. We would still have our positive economic status. Now Bush, they knew he would go batsh*t and send our military to the wind, spend us into record deficit, and **** everybody off, causing instability. They knew he would do exactly what they wanted him to do. Look at us now. Paying increasingly higher gas prices and doing nothing about it. Paying higher everything, and doing nothing about it. When we start to realize what is happening, they do another "terrorist threat", to get our minds off of the economy. Keep us scared.

They don't have to do a damn thing again but create the illusion of threat. We will spend ourselves into a third world country, and they will win. People say Bush is doing a better job than a dem would have done. I say there is no difference. We get attacked by terrorists, we will always get attacked by terrorists. Why on earth should we throw our own country into the crapper in the process. Our past tactics have not worked. Our current tactic is not working. anyone else think its time for a new approach? Maybe one that doesn't involve economic suicide? Maybe instead of doing what feels good, we should do something that actually works. We can stop this, but we won't. At least, not until 2008....

 

[Plainsman]

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First, Thank you for your service Jason.
Second, What would you have done in The Presidents place? Nothing? Just take it in stride? Brush it off? Maybe send a cruise missle into a asprin factory? Then say "See we don't take this laying down?"
Maybe Iraq was as mistake, not for the reasons you state, but non-the-less. The Iraq war has not killed the country or economy. It has brought some whako's out (not you Jason) who want to cut and run. That would hurt the country.
It may not be a traditional war as we know it to be, but war just the same. What do you call it?
Harbouring Al-quaida was not only reason Iraq was invaded. There were how many USELESS UN resolutions that Saddam thumbed his nose at. WMD, like it or not some have been found. Not the mass amount, but still there. The firing at OUR aircraft by Iraq.
Do you want the UN to handle all this? The UN is a inept group when it come to peace keeping or enforcing it's resolutions. They are good at handing out food though.
Yes, some tactics have not worked and some have. Unfortunatly, some of the one that were working are not anymore or as good as they did. Wiretapping and the Baking industry come to mind. Why, cause some left wing nut at the NYT hates Bush so much, the security of this country comes in second place.

 

[CalicoKid]

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Our own fear is the biggest threat against us. We act out of fear and insecurity exclusively these days. We will give up anything to feel safe again. There are definately people besides radical islamist terrorists that are taking advantage of our fears.

 

[PW2]

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We are fighting a 21st century conflict with 20th century tactics.

The reason terror tactics are employed is that it is the only tactic that is effective against an opponent who has vastly superior strength. Yet we attempt to use that strength against it.

We've shown we are stronger than the opposition, if there was ever any doubt of that.

We have yet to show we are any smarter than they are.

 

[Kenneth Brown]

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GAWD I'M GONNA HATE MYSELF! I uh, kinda believe your right Jason and PW. Hard to say but it has too much truth to it to not believe.

 

[JRJ]

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We are at war, and our homeland is threatened. America has been gentle with our enemies since we dropped the bombs on Japan. Korea and Vietnam ended without victory due to political reasons that I don't pretend to grasp. Our nation is proceeding gently again, against an enemy that doesn't respect kindness, or even expect it. There is no appeasing these people. They hate us and will kill us to their last man, woman, or child. There will not be a set piece battle with a defined enemy. God bless our troops. They are in harms way without the resolve or the means from above or even at home to achieve a clear victory.

 

[NOSLEEP]

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The Islamic fascists are emboldened.
The United States of America is divided. Half want to
retreat, They have no stomach for a conflict. Worse than that, they wish to force the government to act as they do.

The U.S. war response to Islamic aggression is being held hostage by its own people.
You can not win until you decide as a nation that you must win.

 

[treedancer]

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Quote eepks

WMD, like it or not some have been found. Not the mass amount, but still there.


O, where are they? Possibly you’re referring to these that . Sen. Rick Santorum and Rep. Pete Hoekstra found.

Pentagon officials quickly dismissed the Senator’s claims, which tried to muddy this whole WMD question, by waving around some "newly declassified" document claiming that 500 chemical munitions had been found in Iraq.

A little research revealed that the Iraq Study Group had already debunked this story. These were 15-year-old degraded munitions of no value in warfare and about as dangerous as leftover paint.

Harbouring Al-quaida was not only reason Iraq was invaded.

Along with the contention that Saddam Hussein was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction, President Bush, Vice President Cheney and other top administration officials have often asserted that there were extensive ties between Hussein's government and Osama bin Laden's terrorist network.

This Sept. 11 commission report will help you out.
It has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq.
The report of the commission's staff, based on its access to all relevant classified information, said that there had been contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda but no cooperation.

The staff report said that bin Laden "explored possible cooperation with Iraq" while in Sudan through 1996, but that "Iraq apparently never responded" to a bin Laden request for help in 1994. The commission cited reports of contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda after bin Laden went to Afghanistan in 1996, adding, "but they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship. Two senior bin Laden associates have adamantly denied that any ties existed between al Qaeda and Iraq. We have no credible evidence that Iraq and al Qaeda cooperated on attacks against the United States." This is a cut and paste from an old Washington Post piece here is the link.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47812-2004Jun16.html

Why, cause some left wing nut at the NYT hates Bush so much, the security of this country comes in second place.

Better check this out, I think you will find that the Times was not the first to break this story.Been thru this before, not going to repeat it, check it out or try the search engine.

The Iraq war has not killed the country or economy.

Well this in not helping the economy too much, nor do I think that it doing the country to much good either.

U.S. NATIONAL DEBT CLOCK http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
$ 8 , 4 6 7 , 0 3 9 , 2 5 9 , 3 1 3 . 0 6
The estimated population of the United States is 299,298,151
so each citizen's share of this debt is $28,289.65.








It has brought some whako's out (not you Jason) who want to cut and run.

Guess maybe im on your whacko list, dont really care. The term that was put forward that if your break it you have to fix it sure applies t Iraq. We sure broke it, so will have to stay till it is fixed, but that don’t mean we have to keep the same incompetents in office that broke it. So the neocon mantra cut and run don’t apply to me.

 

[QC]

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Treedancer . . . blah, blah, blah . . .

Back to the topic. Yes, we are at war. Actually the semantics don't matter to me. We need to kill anybody who wants to kill us first. Here is the QC doctrine, "you don't plan to kill decent people and we will leave you alone". Decent, as in those who don't want to hurt you for the sake of making you suffer and die.

With that said, we (collective we) caught the latest mo fos and I think that is flippin' awesome!! I want more good people listening and researching and studying and monitoring and looking for these Pieces OS . . .

Rant off.

 

[kenimpzoom]

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We have been at war since the radical Muslims started blaming the USA for all their problems. Late 70s I think.

We have finally awoken, but are slowly getting lulled back to sleep.

There is only one way to win a war of hate and that is to completely eliminate the enemy.

Ken

 

[Haut Medoc]

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The problem with hate is that one doesn't wear it like a badge or especially a uniform.....
Weren't most or all of these "bad guys" from Pakistan?
So now a newsflash.....
The "War on Terror "is not being fought in Iraq......JK

 

[rwise]

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yes we are at war! And if we pull out they WILL come here to fight, better to stay there.

 

[Haut Medoc]

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One more time:.....
The "War on Terror is not being fought in Iraq.....
This admin. just makes it up as they go....
"Yeah that's the ticket!".... :/

 

[LFK]

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The Islamic fascists are emboldened.
The United States of America is divided. Half want to
retreat, They have no stomach for a conflict. Worse than that, they wish to force the government to act as they do.

The U.S. war response to Islamic aggression is being held hostage by its own people.
You can not win until you decide as a nation that you must win.

So, the war is no longer a war on terror, it's now a war on Islamic aggression?

Some of us don't view it as a choice between fighting for freedom and not having the intestional fortitude to tough a war out. It's more like, some of us can see that our leaders have been having sex with the neighbor's dog. The question is, when you're caught with your pants down, do you keep going the course or do you pull out, pull up, and face the consequences?

We should not be in Iraq. It was never our war. Nothing good will come of our being there. Yet, our president and his administration keep right on screwing that pooch.

 

[kenimpzoom]

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Hmmm. then why is there a Al Queda leader in Iraq?

The war is a WORLD war.

Your so freakin tied up by your dislike of GWB that you cant even make good decisions.

Ahhhh forget it :%

Ken

 

[Haut Medoc]

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Hmmmm....
You pose a good question!
If it is "Mission accomplished", as "Dumbya" says, then why is there an Al Queda leader in Iraq?
Better yet, was there one there before we invaded? :$

 

[kenimpzoom]

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You guys are so dense. I sincerly hope you are joking or just trying to rile me up.

Mission was accomplished. The MAJOR battles were over. He didnt claim we could go home or everything would be perfect from then on.

Dont care if Al Queda was there before or not, they are now there, and we aint fighting them here in the USA. That is a positive in my book.

Ken