What to do now???

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Re: What to do now???

Flathead<br />The 2nd paragraph says it all. Unless you are looking to buy your self a new boat I would think the answer would be no. To much of a risk. It's a hard decision and I wouldn't want to be in your shoes.
 

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Pat I fish with my dad in the summer. We do spend time together. So I think him looking for me to go along cant be it. <br /> <br />Ryan, Time will not permit it. Besides I am not sure my nerves could take a week with pop and his motley crew of fishermen up in the boonies.<br /><br />In this case I think if I had to, I would not feel too badly telling some BS about a broke motor.
 

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If you have to lie to him, which I think is a bad idea I wouldn't say that the prolbem was the motor. Because you said that he knows alot about motors and that sort of thing, chances are he's going to want to check it out and you'll be caught in a real bad spot.<br /><br />Telling him about some kind of a prolbem with your trailer may be better, but I stil suggest you don't lie.
 

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Flathead, don't lie to your dad, come up with some other solution than that. BS, white lie however you put it, its a lie. I'd rather look him in the eyes and tell him he11 no, than lie to him.
 

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Flathead,<br />Forgive me this sounds a little too obvious, but here goes.<br />I try to look at these types situations from a distance of about five or ten years in the future. The question is which decision will have the biggest positive impact to you ten years from now? Or, to put it another way, which will have the least negative impact to you in ten years. <br />That said, the first thought I had when I read your post was "I wish I could go fishing with my dad one more time"<br /> :( If it were me, I'd put up with the old cronies for a week and go with him. You may not have the chance next year.<br /> ;)
 

rwise

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lets see<br />"Dad that sounds like a lot of fun! I have a new rod and real, would you mind if I went along and give it a try?"<br /><br />When I can slow my Dad down long enuf (enough) I take him fishing, his boat runs no more, and since his heart attack/s I don't want him to fix it!<br /><br />Richard
 

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Flathead, I lost my Dad (fishing buddy) about 9 years ago, and my uncle (fishing buddy)about 5 years ago. If you can go with them then go. And the stories that you will hear. (some for the 50th time and some new ones) might be a lasting memory.
 

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Flahthead, As I see it, you do go fishing with your Dad often and since he is going with HIS buddies, it is really not your trip to go on - unless your dad invites you.<br /><br />I think your best bet is to either have one of those heart-to-heart talks that you don't want to have with your dad. Let him know you see some areas where he is slipping a little and that you want to help him have fun and a full life, and you don't want to see him get hurt or to hurt anyone else. Then ask him what he would think about you hiring a guide for him when they go fishing. Take it from there. May be the safest and best way to go - when your dad thinks about it he will know that you love him and care and are concerned, but you do not want to stand in the way of his fun and enjoyment of life. With an offer like that, he may decide to dump his friends and take you along!
 

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I wouldn't confuse honesty with repect. Sometimes being honest is the most disrespectful thing you can do. For example, it is disrespectful to tell a cancer patient who just lost half her face she looks grotesque and will likely die soon. It is honest but it is very disrespectful. It is disrespectful to tell your boss you think he is an idiot. Taking away an old guy's dignity by questioning his competency can be very disrespectful. See? Sometimes a white lie is the most respectful thing you can do
 

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Time for a long talk.<br />Tell him of his concerns for his safety.<br />Offer alternatives, rental, guide, personal escort, or? .<br />Don't back down. If he throws a fit, well, at least you aren't giving him the tools to hurt himself.<br /><br />I hope there is someone around to tell me when I get to that point.<br /><br />We had to do this with my dad last year. Vision problems, night vision. All you had to do was drive with him for 20 miles and you'd never do it again. We had a hard time convincing him of all the stuff he wasn't seeing or hearing, but now he realizes he has limitations. He does all his driving in daylight. He listens to mom when she says its time for a break, AND he lets her drive more often.<br /><br />My dad had to go thru this with both of his parents and my moms dad, so maybe he was easier to get thru to. I remember when they took gramps on his last Canadian trip. They had to literally lift him in and out of the boat, and a 7 day trip was cut to 3, because they wanted his last trip to be good memories, not painful ones. <br /><br />Good Luck.
 

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Lots of great advice here. It is greatly appreciated. joew94th and One more cast your post struck a chord with me, thats for sure.<br /><br /> For now I am going to try to talk the old guy into going with me to Black lake instead of Canada. If that does not work I think I will ask to go along to Canada. Maybe that will be the perfect time to talk to him about things. I am just afraid it will crush him to tell him some of things he don't want to hear. Picture Burgess Meridith in grumpy old men, thats what I have to deal with. I'll keep ya posted.
 

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Ralph,<br />We dissagree.<br /><br />If I where talking to someone who has cancer and looked like crap, I woundn't tell them that they where going to die or that they looked like crap, I'd keep my mouth shut.<br /><br />Same thing if I thought my boss was an idiot, I woundn't tell him that. I'd keep it to myself.<br /><br />I don't understand why people lie, its so much eazier to just tell the truth. <br /><br />There is one thing I've learned, not telling someone something is different then lieing to them, its only lieing if they ask about it and you don't tell them.<br /><br />Thats just me, I'm not a lier.
 

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Actually, telling the truth is harder then lieing in the short term. But lieing is much harder in the long run.<br /><br />In most cases, once I catch someone lieing to me I drop them like yesterdays newspapter, just ask my former girlfriend.
 

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i am only posting once more for ryanT. what you posted is right in the same(positive) group, but exactly opposite of what ralph was tryin to get across. your post is meant for truth always. that is admirable. now consider ralphs' posts again. that is how you will learn to 'be nice'. ;) <br /><br />consider the person and whether they are in need of the truth. the man probably understands it all too well. just a thought.<br /><br />this whole scenario puts me right in the middle of my 'late' fatherNlaw. same type of guy. big heart, not willing to give up. it may require easing into it, like FH's last post may indicate. as far as me and my pop - i hope and feel i'd be right on with telling him straight. i lucked up and messed up some yrs by doing so, but at least they would expect it from me. its all accdg to the present situation eh?<br /><br />(amended after rt's next post: i agree with you)
 

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If being nice means lieing my my dad or grand-dad, I'll be mean.<br /><br />If I where old starting to slip, I'd rather have someone upset me be telling it to me how it is, then lieing to me because the truth is to hard to handle, if we all like that we'd be going around all the time makeing stuff up because it makes people feel better, no thanks, thats not my style.<br /><br />It looks like flathead is going to be truthfull, thats good.<br /><br />I'm also done talking about this lieing thing,<br />Peace. :)
 

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The older I get the more I realize that life is not black and white but shades of gray and keeping your mouth shut is not always an option. Being "diplomatic" is the cornerstone of civility, manners and being successful in life and love. <br /><br />Find me a man that will tell his wife she is/looks fat (when she asks and she will), and I will show you a man who either is 1) married to a Saint; 2) On his way to divorce court; 3) a fool.<br /><br />"But honey, I am just being honest..." ;)
 

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Hi,<br /><br />Have you considered that perhaps your Pops was out of line even asking to borrow the boat. Certainly where I come from it is not custom or practice to lend out "assets". This would include, auto's, boats, caravans and often hand tools and money. There are obvious and good reasons for this, they will make bad friends of good, ex relatives of current ones. I know he's your pops and there must be mixed emotions.<br /><br />I think that if one chooses to lend things then one must not expect to get them back in the same condition or sometimes ever. I have learnt, my son now has to come to my house if he want to use any of my tools or I accompany them to his and help him. <br /><br />What your Pops has done is to inadvertantly place you under huge moral pressure which is now bringing on the guilt. Never make any decision based on guilt, the whole basis (in my opinion) of the decision will be wrong.<br /><br />A couple of other suggestions;<br /><br />a) I like Skinnywaters idea. Enlist the help of your mom. If you are married you will know the pressure wives are able to exert in a relationship. She will find it far easier to tell him to withdraw his request that you will find it to say no.<br /><br />b) If this fails (which I doubt) then I think you owe it to him to tell him that you are not comfortable with the idea and that your answer is no. "In a time of universal deceit, the ultimate revolutionary act is telling the truth". Don't tell him what your son told you as this may get him mad at the both of you.<br /><br />The problem with a lie is that it just get's you deeper. Example: If you tell him the motor's blown he can't use it the following may occur.<br /><br />a) He can offer to pay for the repair, what do you do then?<br />b) When he finds out, and he will, that the motor was not blown how much trust do you think there will be then.<br />c) You get the motor repaired and a year later he asks you to use it again. Vicious loop.<br /><br />Whilst you mom you giving your pops the once over investigate the rules of your insurer. This may be your only loophole. You may find that you only have partial cover or you may not be able to tranfer the liability to your pops as the boat's captain. Over here if I wanted my son to drive my car I would need to nominate him as a driver with my insurer first, my premium would change as would the "excess" that I would have to pay. Your insurer may not cover your pops at his age.<br /><br />Finally if all this fails and your good nature does not allow you to say no see if your son has the time. Let him tow the boat to and from the fishing venue and captain it during the entire stay. Might be asking a bit of him though.<br /><br />Good luck<br />Cheers<br />Andrew<br /><br />I'm with Ralph, that in your face honesty sometimes merely pushes people away. As age creeps up on me the definition of diplomacy becomes more and more appropriate. "Diplomacy is the art of sending someone to hell and making them look forward to the trip" or more appropriately "The art of fishing troubled waters tranquilly".
 

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i don't know how i missed this post but i did.. <br /><br />the best thing is to take a clawhammer to the hull.. one shot one spot.. <br /><br />YOH,POP..the motor ,like i said, runs great ..BUT looky here.. <br /><br />heck, its only a hole.. little marine tex,, a little cloth.. big deal.. <br /><br />hey,, it's better you do a 'controlled hole' then let him do...
 
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