What to expect

[tpenfield]

Re: What to expect

I don't think it will be as bad as some say . . . but there always seems to be surprises with boats.

For an experienced boat restorer, it might be quite straight forward . . . for a person new to boats, probably harder, based on the learning curve, etc.

 

[Slip Away]

Re: What to expect

Many of the boat builders will put flotation into boats over 20 feet and up to 26 feet as per NMMA standards. However flotation and floating are a bit different, as mentioned.

That is ABYC standards adopted by NMMA for certification criteria.

http://nmma.net/assets/cabinets/Cabinet454/2014_MY_Standards_Basis.pdf

 

[tpenfield]

Re: What to expect

That is ABYC standards adopted by NMMA for certification criteria.

http://nmma.net/assets/cabinets/Cabinet454/2014_MY_Standards_Basis.pdf

That's the ticket.

 

[Tail_Gunner]

Re: What to expect

Start a thread in the restore forum this will be quick and easy. Automoitve is different in the use of cleaner's and how much work has to be done. The key is to do it right and cheap.

So get your self some of this acid its sold in bulf cheaply here's a vid corny stuff but it should clean that boat up in 30 minutes for about 5 dollars and a weed sprayer..

Worst case 2500 new motor.....400 for gauges but i doubt the gauges are bad....

 

[boatpoker]

Re: What to expect

The photo of the engine - looks like a scum line on the inner stransom that appears to be higher than the carb. If this was a Sandy boat you can bet it sat that way for at least a week before it was pumped out. If thats the case - that engine is toast.

 

[90stingray]

Re: What to expect

I think we scared off the OP with our comments...

 

[Tail_Gunner]

Re: What to expect

I think we scared off the OP with our comments...

That would be to bad that's a easy fix unless it has transom rot or stringer's.

 

[Crownline230]

Re: What to expect

Thanks for the warm welcome,

Wow I didn't think it would need more than an engine rebuild, starter, alternator and maybe some wiring in the worst case scenario. I imagined $4000-$6000 max. And if I was lucky maybe a few parts here and there. I'm a risk taker, my business is all about taking risks and I get a pleasure out of it. I'm planning on doing most of the labor myself, since I enjoy DIY projects. So that should cut costs considerably. Believe it or not, I'm currently located in Benghazi, Libya. Not exactly the dream holiday getaway to be boating this summer. It's more of the place to getaway from, but that's life. I bought this boat from Orlando, Florida and it's a done deal, money sent, boat picked up. It was from an Insurance auction I called them today, but I wasn't able to get more info on how it was flooded, how long it was flooded or if it was salt/fresh water. It was funny after reading the replies how I got the idea of buying a boat like this in the first place. My dad wanted me to get him a boat, a mastercraft for water skiing. I checked out the Insurance auction and came across ones with water/flood damage. So he's like boats are made for the water son, so what if it was in a flood or has water damage . I'm like hmm you got a point, till I read some replies. It just kicked in that he's retired pilot he knows a lot about planes but certainly not boats. When you say engine is toast, is that repairable toast or throw it out the window toast? As long as it's fixable, I know I will enjoy it even if it's going to cost the same as one in a perfect condition. I love challenges. But if it's going to be only usable a decoration on my front lawn, I'll be laughing at myself every time I look at it. Thanks for the replies, please keep them rolling. I'd like as much info as possible to have this up and rolling when it arrives!

 

[boatpoker]

Re: What to expect

Thanks for the warm welcome,

Wow I didn't think it would need more than an engine rebuild, starter, alternator and maybe some wiring in the worst case scenario. I imagined $4000-$6000 max. And if I was lucky maybe a few parts here and there. I'm a risk taker, my business is all about taking risks and I get a pleasure out of it. I'm planning on doing most of the labor myself, since I enjoy DIY projects. So that should cut costs considerably. Believe it or not, I'm currently located in Benghazi, Libya. Not exactly the dream holiday getaway to be boating this summer. It's more of the place to getaway from, but that's life. I bought this boat from Orlando, Florida and it's a done deal, money sent, boat picked up. It was from an Insurance auction I called them today, but I wasn't able to get more info on how it was flooded, how long it was flooded or if it was salt/fresh water. It was funny after reading the replies how I got the idea of buying a boat like this in the first place. My dad wanted me to get him a boat, a mastercraft for water skiing. I checked out the Insurance auction and came across ones with water/flood damage. So he's like boats are made for the water son, so what if it was in a flood or has water damage . I'm like hmm you got a point, till I read some replies. It just kicked in that he's retired pilot he knows a lot about planes but certainly not boats. When you say engine is toast, is that repairable toast or throw it out the window toast? As long as it's fixable, I know I will enjoy it even if it's going to cost the same as one in a perfect condition. I love challenges. But if it's going to be only usable a decoration on my front lawn, I'll be laughing at myself every time I look at it. Thanks for the replies, please keep them rolling. I'd like as much info as possible to have this up and rolling when it arrives!

if it spent a week submerged in Salt water you might save the block.

 

[MarkSee]

Re: What to expect

.....Benghazi, Libya.........scuba diving........by profession I am into car rebuilding and sales.....and now boat restoration as: This is my first boat so I thought it will give me good experience in boating in general, as I will have to look into just about everything from boat designs, repairs and rebuilding. Probably move up from here.....I'm a risk taker, my business is all about taking risks and I get a pleasure out of it....

......my life seems very dull compared to yours.....but I'm happy as well.

Good luck with the restoration.

Mark

 

[mnypitboat]

Re: What to expect

Its got bottom paint on it and its from Florida. I am guessing salt water sinking. Outside of the engine and the fixtures like the trim pump do not look too rusty, so they may have caught it quick. I take my boat in salt water on occasion and mine looks worse. If it was underwater for any period of time, and then sat during the insurance process and then auction process, I would think it would show rust all over those things. Maybe a bad storm and a malfunctioning bilge?

I dont think its gonna be quite as bad as everyone thinks. There are no lines on the outsde of the boat showing a waterline. Florida water typically leaves a nasty line. Mine gets it from being in the water a day, and it never goes away until I clean it. So I bet it wasnt under for long. There are online places to get engines and outdrives and you could be into those fairly cheap.

Get it home. Make an assessment. Go from there. I bet you will be OK and that is a nice boat.

Oh, and by the way, does it have a salvage title? If so you might be sunk.

 

[UncleWillie]

Re: What to expect

... When you say engine is toast, is that repairable toast or throw it out the window toast? As long as it's fixable, I know I will enjoy it even if it's going to cost the same as one in a perfect condition. I love challenges....

Most of the folks here will not even consider rebuilding an engine.
They will just order a new long or short block or even a complete engine.

Anything is repairable, it just depends on if you have more time than money and how you compare the two.
Worst case, if the Oil is now mostly salt water; if you are capable of rebuilding an engine then it is rebuildable.
A complete disassembly, Bead Blast any corrosion off the the inside of the block, re-bore the cylinders, new pistons and rings, all new bearing surfaces and you will be ready to go.

The good new is that the Outdrive is essentially watertight and other than the input shaft, should be OK.

 

[mnypitboat]

Re: What to expect

Most of the folks here will not even consider rebuilding an engine.
They will just order a new long or short block or even a complete engine.

Anything is repairable, it just depends on if you have more time than money and how you compare the two.
Worst case, if the Oil is now mostly salt water; if you are capable of rebuilding an engine then it is rebuildable.
A complete disassembly, Bead Blast any corrosion off the the inside of the block, re-bore the cylinders, new pistons and rings, all new bearing surfaces and you will be ready to go.

The good new is that the Outdrive is essentially watertight and other than the input shaft, should be OK.

You are right about that. I found out the hard way that it is far less expensive to buy an already built long block than to do the work yourself, and you get a warranty. I finaly gave up and bought a set of heads for mine that had been completely rebuilt by a reputable rebuilder for far less than mine were gonna cost to rebuild, and they didnt even charge a core, so I sold my old heads for $100. Same thing with the shortblock, but unfortunately I found out too late and had already bought a shortblock from a local builder. EXPENSIVE!

 

[ezmobee]

Re: What to expect

There are online places to get engines and outdrives and you could be into those fairly cheap.

Yeah but how cheap are they going to be by the time they get to Benghazi, Libya? If I was going to go to the trouble to import a boat, I'd have gone for a water ready one.

 

[mnypitboat]

Re: What to expect

Yeah but how cheap are they going to be by the time they get to Benghazi, Libya? If I was going to go to the trouble to import a boat, I'd have gone for a water ready one.

OOH, I took that as he was currently there, not that he was bringing the boat there. If that is the case, WOW. Probably not worth the effort. Leave it in the states and resell it and look for something water ready for sure.

 

[Crownline230]

Re: What to expect

Its got bottom paint on it and its from Florida. I am guessing salt water sinking. Outside of the engine and the fixtures like the trim pump do not look too rusty, so they may have caught it quick. I take my boat in salt water on occasion and mine looks worse. If it was underwater for any period of time, and then sat during the insurance process and then auction process, I would think it would show rust all over those things. Maybe a bad storm and a malfunctioning bilge?

I dont think its gonna be quite as bad as everyone thinks. There are no lines on the outsde of the boat showing a waterline. Florida water typically leaves a nasty line. Mine gets it from being in the water a day, and it never goes away until I clean it. So I bet it wasnt under for long. There are online places to get engines and outdrives and you could be into those fairly cheap.

Get it home. Make an assessment. Go from there. I bet you will be OK and that is a nice boat.

Oh, and by the way, does it have a salvage title? If so you might be sunk.

Just checked the title, and it was a clear title. That may or may not be an indicator if boats are anyway titled like cars. I've seen totally wrecked cars that sell with clean titles. But hhope it's a good sign.

 

[Crownline230]

Re: What to expect

I ship container loads out from the U.S regularly, so the price for anything will be the same for me as if I was in any state. Just have it dropped off at my shipper, he loads it for me with no extra cost. and I receive it with no extra unloading or customs charges. The only thing is it would tale about 2 months more or less for it to arrive.

 

[mnypitboat]

Re: What to expect

If your gonna register it in a foreign country, does it even need a good title?

I think you will be fine. I would actually like to take on that project. I see people spend years, and thousands of dollars on boats that are never gonna be worth more than about $1000 or so..... I doubt you will find a boat like that for less than you will have in it, assuming the deck and stringers and transom are OK. People thought I was nuts when I bought my 01 Tahoe Q7 for $2100. They told me it would cost more than it was worth to make it a decent boat. I polished it, got it running, had the seats redone, and used it for several years before I replaced the engine, and even then, I still sold it for what I had in it. Come to find out, the engine only needed heads and head gaskets. So I would have made a couple thousand had I not replaced the shortblock and wasted money on used engines and the like.

 

[OllieC]

Re: What to expect

Well as far as value goes, I looked up the Crownline 230's on Boat Trader and for 02's through 07's they range from $15K to $25k US. It seems to me like you have some financial room to play with the boat.

If you do a lot of the work yourself, you could end up with a really nice boat to float around on the Mediterranean . Most are really helpful on this site. We'll do what we can to help once you're elbow deep.

 

[Crownline230]

Re: What to expect

Thanks ! Ya, if it weren't for these forums, I would never of contemplated such a feat. Would of bought new or in good used condition. These forums are priceless!