No thanks. This is just another thread where certain members insist on trying to convince others that Amsoil is the best. <br /><br />As a professional who's tested and certified outboard oils at an accredited facility, my faith in Amsoil ends where they can't certify their oil, yet go ahead and recommend it in TC-W3 applications. Or when they authorize and distribute THESE kinds of misleading sales tactics:<br /><br />"YOU MAY USE AMSOIL SYNTHETIC PRE-MIX 2-CYCLE OIL AT 100 TO 1 NO MATTER WHAT THE MANUFACTURER RECOMMENDS WITHOUT VOIDING ANY WARRANTIES!"<br /><br />I highly suggest members run oil ratios at the manufacturer's specification. They designed, manufactured, and tested the engine, not Amsoil. If 100% synthetic oil is what you want, then use something like THIS that is TC-W3 certified and generally less expensive.By LubeDude:<br /><br />Looks like this ones over. All we needed was TheOilDock to cap this one off.<br /><br />
Hey Doc glad ya joined in so I can poke atcha a bit.<br /><br />Hope its not me you are saying says Amsoil is the best, but it is one of the best, Maybe the best who knows for sure. Ive pretty much been telling people to use the HPI at 50:1.<br /><br />If you havnt tried it and if you havnt tested it, then you should leave it alone.<br /><br />Also, you insist on using that same old Web site to post "Facts" about Amsoil when thats not a quote from Amsoil at all, its a quote from one of those Over zealous Salesman. I told you about that before. Quite using that site as if it were an Amsoil site.<br /><br />Yada, Yada, yada
Certainly.<br /><br />By member LubeDude (prior post)...."Therefore they use the finest basestock they can find, the best and the amount needed of additives to make the best oil in the world for each application."<br /><br />
I'm not sure what your experience is, but for much of my life I tested and certified outboard oils for an accredited laboratory. I have seen what 100:1 ratios, including those of synthetic oils (like Amsoil), do to outboard engines. Our specified TC-W3 testing included a general performance test at 100:1 ratios, a lubricity test at 150:1 ratios, and a detergency test at 100:1 ratios. Outboards were run approximately 100 hours at WOT. Internal engine parts were evaluated under pass/fail criteria. You will see accelerated wear (piston, ring, cylinder, etc.) at these ratios. Possibly failure. This is why I recommend following the engine manufacturer's oil ratio recommendations, not Amsoil's.<br /><br />
That statement is used to sell Amsoil by a dealer authorized by Amsoil. Any oil purchase as a result of that propaganda is routed directly to the Amsoil's corporate website secure on-line ordering. If it's not a quote solicited by Amsoil, then Amsoil shouldn't use it to sell their product.<br /><br />
HERE's the site again. One of the most popular Amsoil sites on-line.<br /><br />"YOU MAY USE AMSOIL SYNTHETIC PRE-MIX 2-CYCLE OIL AT 100 TO 1 NO MATTER WHAT THE MANUFACTURER RECOMMENDS WITHOUT VOIDING ANY WARRANTIES!"<br /><br />Again, this is just another thread where certain members insist on trying to convince others that Amsoil is the "best".
Like I said, you havnt tested Amsoil, so you have no right to say squat.<br /><br />Besides that I no longer support the 100:1 oils that much, I nearly always steer people to the HPI at 50:1 now that they have it. I do say that the HPI from Amsoil is the best 2 Cycle oil in the world used for TC-W3 aplications.
Just because I want to and I can. Can I prove it, ya right. That statement is from one of Amsoil's largest Regency Direct Amsoil Dealers, who Amsoil recommended to me via amsoil.com. So I guess you could say it came from amsoil.com.<br /><br />At amsoil.com Amsoil will help you locate a dealer, just like they did this one. In fact they provide a toll-free number, links to yellow pages, and even a search function via their corporate web site for on-line dealers. You can even find this particular dealer's phone, fax, and location by using the search feature.<br /><br />If Amsoil condoned that statement, which is used to solicit sales of their oil, they would not allow it, or recommend that dealer. It is as much an irresoponsible statement as it is irresponsible for Amsoil to allow it. To suggest that it isn't pertinent because it doesn't come directly from amsoil.com is an excuse for its intention.<br /><br />If Amsoil direct is what you want, then via Amsoil's corporate website at amsoil.com Ed Newman, Marketing and Advertising Manager, writes:<br /><br />"Instructions: SABER Outboard should be mixed with gasoline at 100:1 for normal service in all types of outboard motors"<br /><br /><br />
You're jealous of my expertise. Oil is what I do. I'm an experienced, educated professional who's tested oils most of my life using industry standards and accredited facilities. I have tested Amsoil outboard oils, and I've even run the 100:1 in my own outboards to see what the hype was all about. I am certainly qualified enough to recommend that members do not run them at 100:1 ratios per Amsoil. You will experience premature wear and possibly failure. But do whatever you want LubeDude.
No, you can't.
Amsoil cannot control what their dealers say about their oil. We all agree here that most of their dealers and marketing is crap. That fact; however, has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of their products. As I said before, I often use and recommend their products, not because of what dumbass dealer tells me, but from my own experience and knowledge. Yes, the Amsoil 2 cycle oil is a great oil...better than any certified non synthetic. Not at 100:1 though, but the only one here recommending that ratio is the uninformed original poster. Many, many, many people who use and like Amsoil products like I do will tell you not to use it at 100:1. Just because the bottle says that doesn't make it a bad product. It's also good to know that if an accident happens, it will do an ok job of protecting your engine even at 100:1. Not as good as it will at 50:1, but it won't seize up either...No. Amsoil themselves are recommending that ratio. Again, directly from Amsoil at amsoil.com:<br /><br />"Instructions: SABER Outboard should be mixed with gasoline at 100:1 for normal service in all types of outboard motors"<br /><br /><br />
Sure you can. Amsoil directed me right to it; "YOU MAY USE AMSOIL SYNTHETIC PRE-MIX 2-CYCLE OIL AT 100 TO 1 NO MATTER WHAT THE MANUFACTURER RECOMMENDS WITHOUT VOIDING ANY WARRANTIES!"<br /><br /><br />Originally posted by ZmOz:<br />No, you can't.
Then why don't you believe in the quality of their products, and their claims, and run it at the intended 100:1?
Because running at 100:1 with any oil in any engine is silly. It is a stupid recommendation on amsoil's part, but again, it really has nothing to do with the oil itself. I don't use their oil because of anything Amsoil or any dealer tells me. I use it the way I think is best for my particular engine. That is the only way anyone should choose any oil for any engine.
To each their own but that's kind of weird to me. Amsoil's recommendation has nothing to do with the oil? If they are making "silly" & "stupid" recommendations on ratios then why aren't they making "silly" & "stupid" decisions on makeup & quality of oil made? <br /><br />The only way I choose oil and ratios is by what the motor mfg says to use. I trust those guys more than oil company advertising hype. It doesn't matter what the brand is.
