100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

[lark2004]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Lets just face it, everyone has different opinions. No matter how hard you hit someone in the head with your opinion, it will not change their opinion. If you want run 100:1, that's your choice. Don't tell everyone else that they should do the same. If you run 50:1, good for you, but if you know someone who runs 100:1 and is happy with it, let them be, it's not your engine.<br /><br />I see the words "silly and stupid" in Billp's post. It seems to me that this has happened to this thread, "silly and stupid" posts that are being written with sole intention of getting another member to bite.

 

[DJ]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

OMC recommended 100:1 for a while. As it turned out, there really was no issue with lubrication.<br /><br />The real reason that they stopped recommending it is twofold.<br /><br />1. Outboards tend to sit, for extended periods, in sometimes nasty environments.<br /><br />2. 100:1 did not seem to, in their testing, leave enough residual oil around to protect sensative surfaces from CORROSION.<br /><br />I'll ALWAYS err on the side of the people that designed and built it. I'll never pretend to know more than they do.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by DJ:<br /> OMC recommended 100:1 for a while. As it turned out, there really was no issue with lubrication.<br /><br /><br />100:1 did not seem to, in their testing, leave enough residual oil around to protect sensative surfaces from CORROSION.<br /><br />

Very true DJ, Amsoil has taken steps over the years to deal with this problem. If you want to run Amsoil Saber 100il and are happy with it, then I believe you wont have any issues. Here is a quote from the "Official Amsoil site".<br /><br />"AMSOIL Saber 100:1 2-Cycle Oil is recommended for 100:1 mix ratios in normal service. Richer mix ratios may be used where desired". They give mix ratios all the way to 50:1.<br /><br /> In situations such as Bass Boats in tournament fishing, I would have no problem running the 100:1 at about 80:1 if there were no HPI as they normally get the H*ll ran out of them.<br /><br />What people fail to take into account is that the Amsoil saber oil is "DESIGNED" to be ran at 100:1 Ratios. They do not say that you can run the HPI for example at 100:1.

 

[DJ]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

LD,<br /><br />No argument meant. Just stating some HISTORY.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by DJ:<br /> LD,<br /><br />No argument meant. Just stating some HISTORY.

Nothing negative was taken on your comments, I just wanted to mention that Amsoil was aware of the problem and has addressed it.

 

[Bwalker]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

As far as I am concerned any ester based lube has storage issues. Some more severe than others. I wouldnt stroe any motor without fogging.

 

[dsrchamp04]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

i only know of one instance of a racer using amsoil....i know other racers do..but i am speaking of personal experience that i witnessed personally. one of the guys me and my brothers ran dsr class with got hooked on the amsoil hype and ended up running it for a season,and that season he replaced 4 top main bearings and rerung his motor at least that many times....since i saw that myself i have never used amsoil...but the stickers are pretty!!

 

[TheOilDoc]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Per Amsoil's "official site" at amsoil.com HERE are the exact instructions for using Amsoil's 100:1 <br /><br />"Instructions: SABER Outboard should be mixed with gasoline at 100:1 for normal service in all types of outboard motors, personal watercraft and jet boats, as well as snowmobiles and ATVs. For "Severe Duty" applications such as racing and continuously operated industrial or commercial motors, richer mix ratios of 50:1 to 80:1 are recommended."<br /><br />Amsoil clearly says to mix at 100:1 in any outboard. And obviously the oil is not up to the task of industrial or commercial use at its advertised ratio. That says something.<br /><br />There's nothing wrong with spending extra money on your favorite oil. However, it doesn't seem practical to buy an expensive non-TC-W3 oil designed to run 100:1, then richen the ratio of that oil so you don't ruin your engine, all so you can claim it's "the best oil in the world".

 

[ZmOz]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by TheOilDoc:<br /> Amsoil clearly says to mix at 100:1 in any outboard.

And they also say to mix it at 50:1 for heavy use. Again, who the hell cares? Nobody here is trying to say amsoil doesn't recommend that. Nobody here with any knowledge of oils is recommending that. You are only arguing with yourself. If you don't want to use Amsoil that's great, but you have absolutely no reason to keep bashing it here in post after post.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by ZmOz:<br />[QB You have absolutely no reason to keep bashing it here in post after post. [/QB]

But of coarse he does, thats his life, Hes "TheAmsOilBashDude". <br /><br />Oh, Oh, I may have stepped over the line with that one. Do I really care?

 

[craze1cars]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Oops...ran outta popcorn. Everyone hold on for just a moment...

 

[craze1cars]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

OK. All set (munch, munch.)<br /><br />Carry on.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by craze1cars:<br /> OK. All set (munch, munch.)<br /><br />Carry on.

Too late, I think your TV just went Blue screen.

 

[BillP]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

LD...yep, you're crossing the line. You gotta admit, Amsoil has some pretty "agressive" advertising. Anyway, I can't believe you didn't mention Amsoil got a certification on one of their oils. Wasn't it the 4 stroke stuff?

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by BillP:<br />[QBI can't believe you didn't mention Amsoil got a certification on one of their oils. Wasn't it the 4 stroke stuff? [/QB]

Yes, I actually made a post about it a while back. I should take the time to actually see which other ones are API. There are few, they did it so it could be sold in some quick lubes.<br /><br /> Amsoil FCW<br /><br /> Amsoil FCT

 

[JB]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Don't worry, craze1cars.<br /><br />The needle is stuck.

 

[Bwalker]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Can we all agree that 100:1 ratios are garbage and move on? Almost everyone is in agreement on this issue.

 

[TOHATSU GURU]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

As long as there is nothing else wrong with your engine and nothing else does go wrong with your engine, running at 100:1 should not cause metallic dispersion in an energetic manner in a healthy engine. Having said that...I probably wouldn't run the risk with my engine. With yours...maybe.

 

[TheOilDoc]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

The matierial I've posted comes right from Amsoil themselves. That is not bashing. It is informing. <br /><br />Most consumers take Amsoil at their word and assume the 100:1 oil could be run in any outboard at a 100:1 ratio. After all, that's what Amsoil tells you. I'd hate to see some poor fellow ruin his outboard by ignoring his manufacturer's recommendations and ratios, which is exactly what Amsoil is insinuating he do with this oil. <br /><br />The supposed benefit of this expensive synthetic is that it is designed to be run at 100:1. Consumers should ask why the Amsoil loyalists do not run it that way, or why it can't be used as designed in heavy-use conditions. Then they need to compare it to another synthetic oil that is actually approved TC-W3 and doesn't require richer ratios to run in heavy duty applications. <br /><br />

Can we all agree that 100:1 ratios are garbage and move on? Almost everyone is in agreement on this issue.

Everyone but Amsoil.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by TheOilDoc:<br />I'd hate to see some poor fellow ruin his outboard by ignoring his manufacturer's recommendations and ratios, which is exactly what Amsoil is insinuating he do with this oil. <br /><br />

Its never happened, and it never will. <br /><br />

Originally posted by TheOilDoc:<br /> The supposed benefit of this expensive synthetic is that it is designed to be run at 100:1. Consumers should ask why the Amsoil loyalists do not run it that way, or why it can't be used as designed in heavy-use conditions. <br />

Dang, its just common sence, ZMOZ mixes his oil richer than the bottle says, why cant an amsoil user do the same thing. The instructions from Amsoil says "Under normal conditions", What part of if you run the H*ll out of your engine and you should mix at a higher ratio dont you understand? When I used it at 80:1 I was running the engine WOT everywhere I went for two years fishing every weekend and sometimes durring the week.<br /><br />Id venture to say that there isnt a TC-W3 oil out there that would hold up as well as the 100:1 will at at the same ratio or even a little leaner.<br /><br />There are several people here on the forum that use it at 100:1 and are very happy with it.