100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

timmathis · Aug 20, 2005

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Oil Doc, In my reply to Ben. B.You don't know what you are talking about. I was referring to his statement concerning Ray walker about how his team mixes the oil's. this was as solid information as you can get(No hear say or nothing I have read), It was something I have seen with my own eyes. I know a good many people that mix at 100:1 and some race professionally. Sorry you did not understand my reply to Ben. Tim

Bwalker · Aug 21, 2005

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Tim, easier there smart guy. A. all oils do not decrease octane, some actually increase it. B. run what you want. C, check out the racing Kart, and outboard sites and pose the same question. See what response you get. D. You are far from haveing a clue and not very intelligent or else you would have done more research than to parrot what someone has told you. One of the most difficult things to stop is determined stupidity....

Bwalker · Aug 21, 2005

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FWIW that RC engine test is so flawed its ridiculous. There was nothing scientfic about it and the methodology was full of holes.

Terry H · Aug 21, 2005

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Originally posted by Ben Walker: One of the most difficult things to stop is determined stupidity....

Kinda harsh words, but can certainly be the results from having a passion for a particular subject. Chief

Hey, just getting my post count up.

TheOilDoc · Aug 21, 2005

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Originally posted by LubeDude: 

Originally posted by TheOilDoc: 

By LubeDude: UOAs dont lie

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How are you obtaining and testing a Used Oil Analysis on two stroke oil, which is consumed by the engine? 

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If you are this flipping ****** to think that is what I ment, I give up!

Then please explain what you did mean. It was clear you brought up UOA's to show that Amsoil 100:1 performs the best, whether you think I'm "flipping stupid" or not.

Originally posted by LubeDude: And, that post about the R/C engine, who the H*ll cares, we are talking about outboard oil.

That test shows the differences between running Amsoil Saber 100:1 and other oils. Outboard owners are welcome to interpret it for their application any way they want, but it reflects my professional experience of testing 100:1 ratio oils in outboards. Increased wear.

By Tim Mathis: I know a good many people that mix at 100:1 and some race professionally.

Amsoil specifically instructs not to mix 100:1 when racing. There is a reason. Under those conditions, and at that ratio, the oil simply doesn't provide enough protection.

By Ben Walker: FWIW that RC engine test is so flawed its ridiculous. There was nothing scientfic about it and the methodology was full of holes.

I would tend to agree. However, it is more of a test than we have seen from the Amsoil loyalists here. It does reflect the increased wear of my experience testing 100:1 oils.

timmathis · Aug 21, 2005

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Lets take it back to the top! I said you can run at 100:1 safely if you use the right oil!(In Most outboards) No one out there can say that you can't!! You can say it will cause increased wear, or it will void your warranty, etc. (You can say that and I will not disagree with you.) Here is my proof. I live on the lake and use one of my 4 boats like most people use a car, I put more hrs on one of my boats in a week than most people put on theirs in a year. I mix at 100:1 been doing it for years. So I rest my case! Tim

ZmOz · Aug 21, 2005

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Originally posted by Tim Mathis: Here is my proof. I live on the lake and use one of my 4 boats like most people use a car, I put more hrs on one of my boats in a week than most people put on theirs in a year. I mix at 100:1 been doing it for years. So I rest my case! Tim

That doesn't prove anything. Your engine very well could and probably does have increased wear. The only way to ever tell is to run two identical engines under identical conditions, one with 50:1 and one with 100:1, and then tear them apart and compare. Actually you'd need alot more than two engines to get believeable results. My dad only changes the oil in his truck about every 10,000 miles. (with cheap bulk lube shop oil) His truck runs fine. Does that mean everyone should change their oil every 10,000 miles with crappy oil? Of course not...

timmathis · Aug 21, 2005

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Sorry but it does! As I said I rest my case.. Tim THE END

Bwalker · Aug 21, 2005

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Only in your mind. THE END!

LubeDude · Aug 21, 2005

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Originally posted by TheOilDoc: It was clear you brought up UOA's to show that Amsoil 100:1 performs the best, whether you think I'm "flipping stupid" or not.

Well, like I said, If thats why you think I brough that up, then you need a labotomy!

TOHATSU GURU · Aug 21, 2005

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This topic is really beat to death.

TheOilDoc · Aug 21, 2005

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Well, like I said, If thats why you think I brough that up, then you need a labotomy!

So I'll ask one last time. Please explain what you did mean. Explain how you are relating used oil samples (UOA's) to this discussion, or at least how you would obtain one from a 2-stroke engine that consumes the oil. BTW, If you're going to call someone so "stupid" as to suggest surgery, you might want to learn how to spell lobotomy.

lark2004 · Aug 22, 2005

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labotomy, is that where you get removed from the lab?

As oposed to a frontal lobotomy, where the front lobes of the brain are removed?

LubeDude · Aug 22, 2005

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Originally posted by lark2004: labotomy, is that where you get removed from the lab? As oposed to a frontal lobotomy, where the front lobes of the brain are removed?

ROTFLMAO!

It was a spelling error, but I wish it wasnt. I would have typed it "Lab"otomy.

DanG, thats funny.

I dont care who ya are, THAT RIGHT THERE IS FUNNY!!!

LubeDude · Aug 22, 2005

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Originally posted by TheOilDoc: Please explain what you did mean.

I shouldnt have to, and I wont, all I will tell you is that if you go back to the second page of the thread, about half way through you will see where Ben Walker and I were having a disscusion about Mobil 1 car oil. Thats what I was refuring to. It appears that you dont read the whole thread, you just pick out what I say and try and find "something to pick on me about"! Its actually pretty obvious when you read the whole thread.

troska · Aug 22, 2005

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Actually it was a good test for the tester. I followed the original thread on RCUniverse.com that the condensed article linked from. The guy doing the testing runs his engines for long periods of time at low airspeed with a high load on the prop. What he is constantly fighting is carbon buildup and time in the air. He flies R/C aircraft equipped with nets to collect insects for research. Anyway, he did the testing to tell him what would work best for his particular sphere of parameters that his engines operate in. He shared it for general information that people could draw their own conclusions from. It was originally posted for people who run their engines in a similar manner. See, the difference is that most people overthere understand it is a limited test with results that apply to a limited audience. This contrasts nicely with "My uncle ran Amsoil 100:1 for 35 years and no problems in his outboard, therefore, you can too!" Tim

Originally posted by Ben Walker: FWIW that RC engine test is so flawed its ridiculous. There was nothing scientfic about it and the methodology was full of holes.

Bwalker · Aug 22, 2005

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RC engines have pretty unique operating perameters due to engine load, crude carberation, and the way they are cooled. Judging any oil by its performance in a RC engine would be a big mistake IMO as there is simply no read accross for two stroke applications let along one that is as unique as a RC engine. IN a nutchell the RC test ment absolutley nothing in regards to outboards or any other two stroke application BESIDES THAT PARTICULAR plane/engine/operating conditions combo.

troska · Aug 22, 2005

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Well, yeah, that's kinda what I said.

Originally posted by Ben Walker: RC engines have pretty unique operating perameters due to engine load, crude carberation, and the way they are cooled. Judging any oil by its performance in a RC engine would be a big mistake IMO as there is simply no read accross for two stroke applications let along one that is as unique as a RC engine. IN a nutchell the RC test ment absolutley nothing in regards to outboards or any other two stroke application BESIDES THAT PARTICULAR plane/engine/operating conditions combo.

TheOilDoc · Aug 22, 2005

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By LubeDude: I shouldnt have to, and I wont

And with that readers can attach their own level of credibility to your comments. I am very well aware of what you posted LubeDude. However I was hoping you could explain the relevance of UOA's, which you brought up in this discussion. It appears you are somehow using automotive UOA's to show that Amsoil 100:1 is the best. That leap deserves further explanation by you.

LubeDude · Aug 22, 2005

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Originally posted by TheOilDoc: [QBIt appears you are somehow using automotive UOA's to show that Amsoil 100:1 is the best. That leap deserves further explanation by you. [/QB]

You are absolutly unbelievable. Untill now, I never believed the old adage that highly intelligent people have no common sence. Why on earth would I even mention a UOA in relation to 100:1 oils? Forget it, get over it, I never used UOA in the same sentience with 100:1. Would someone else try and straighten out this poor missguided soul?? We were "OFF TOPIC" OK???

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