Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!
That's exactly what Amsoil's warranty is for.
That's exactly what Amsoil's warranty is for.
In an outboard engine it is pretty obvious whether something is an oil related failure or not. If it was an oil related failure and you were using Amsoil at the time, then they pay.
With that kind of confidence why don't you recommend it be run at 100:1, and why don't you run it at 100:1 yourself?<br /><br />
Well, first ZmOz has a modified and rebuilt outboard (combination of '72 140 and a '74 150). He's somewhat mechanically inclinded and does his own work. Secondly, most outboard owners are fisherman, boaters, or weekend warriors, not oil experts or mechanics. Finally and most importantly, Amsoil's directions say to mix it at 100:1 in any outboard.<br /><br />
That's not what Amsoil says. They say "racing and continuously operated industrial or commercial motors". Most outboard owners don't race or run their engines under commercial or industrial applications. They use their outboards under "normal service". BTW, "higher ratio" means less oil.<br /><br />
That is not severe use. Outboards are designed for normal use under WOT extended period operation.<br /><br /><br />
Or the Coast Guard Search and Rescue. Outboard failure on the open seas can be life-altering, and when it happens the warranty won't mean much.<br /><br />If you want warranty coverage by Amsoil, you'll have to deal with their following stipulations...<br /><br />"THE WARRANTY MAY NOT BE EXTENDED TO COVER:...AMSOIL RESERVES THE RIGHT TO REJECT A WARRANTY CLAIM FOR ANY OR ALL OF THE FOLLOWING REASONS:"<br /><br />"Failure of equipment due to a pre-existing condition that is unrelated to the use of AMSOIL."<br /><br />Amsoil will claim the outboard had a pre-existing condition that resulted in the failure. You will have to prove otherwise.<br /><br />"Parts inspected do not substantiate a claim or indicate failure."<br /><br />Amsoil makes their own determine if their oil caused the failure. You have to prove otherwise.<br /><br />"Failure was the result of an OEM defect."<br /><br />Amsoil will claim it was the manufacturer's fault. You have to prove otherwise.<br /><br />"AMSOIL lubricants that have been used...in applications where the OEM required lubricant standards do not match those stated by AMSOIL INC. without the written approval from AMSOIL INC.<br /><br />They got you there. OEM's require certified TC-W3 oils. Amsoil's standards do not match that. And OEM's require oil ratios such as 50:1. Amsoil says 100:1. <br /><br />"AMSOIL lubricants used in mechanically deficient equipment as a result of abnormal operation; negligence; abuse..."<br /><br />You'd have to prove otherwise.
We know you didn't. But that's what Amsoil says to do. In any outboard.<br /><br />"Instructions: SABER Outboard should be mixed with gasoline at 100:1 for normal service in all types of outboard motors"
Why would you venture to say this? What facts do you have to back it up? What testing (using proper scientific method) have you done to demonstrate this? How many years experience do you have properly evaluating the performance of oils?<br /><br />For all I know, you have 40+ years in as a marine mechanic. That means you have piles and piles of knowledge about repairing marine engines. It DOESN'T mean you have expertise in evaluating the performance of a 2S oil under controlled conditions.<br /><br />TheOilDoc is not an AMSOIL dealer, does not recommend specific oils, does not profit from any oil being sold over another, has years of DIRECT experience testing TCW oils. Sounds like a good source of unbiased information to me.<br /><br />What is the point of continuing to regurgitate Amsoil marketing garbage?<br /><br />Tim
Why would you venture to say this? What facts do you have to back it up? What testing (using proper scientific method) have you done to demonstrate this? How many years experience do you have properly evaluating the performance of oils?<br /><br />[/QB][/quote]<br /><br />"Why would I venture to say that"?<br /><br />Because I can and I believe it!<br /><br />"What facts do I have to back it up"?<br /><br />None, I just feel it is that good.<br /><br />"What testing have I done"?<br /><br />Well, I have never seen an outboard oil work better than Amsoil in about 25 years of using it, not even close. Never had anyone switch to it that went back to the oil they were using previously.<br /><br />"How many years evaluating oils"?<br /><br />Been around awhile.
<br /><br />Now, to set this straight:<br /><br />I dont like the Amsoil marketing plan.<br /><br />I dont like the numerous dealers out there that dont know there A*ZZ from a hole in the ground about oils.<br /><br />Im not even very excited about there advertising.<br /><br />I do use and like the products.<br /><br />There engine oils out perform Mobil 1 in wear and oil drain intervals.<br /><br />There gear oils outperform anything I have put them up against.<br /><br />There 2 cycle oils perform better than anything else I have used or investigated.<br /><br />Just my opinion. No science here.Using Amsoil, or even regular oil, at 100:1 is not going to cause a complete failure that would lead to you needing rescue. Increased wear? Maybe. Total failure endangering your life? Hell no.<br /><br />
Doesn't matter what stipulations they have, an oil failure is very obvious in an outboard motor. When Amsoil looks at the engine they will need to see piston/cylinder scuffing and/or seizure. If either of these two things exist the only explanation would be an oil related failure. There is no way they could try and say that was a pre existing condition or an OEM defect.<br /><br />My engine was run for 10 minutes at WOT with NO oil at all. Upon disassembly, the bearings are all in very good condition, and 4 of 6 cylinders have no scuffing and even still have factory hone marks. (after 30 years!) Given that, I'm sure most any outboard would be just fine running 100:1 on 30w motor oil. Would I do that? No. Would there be increased wear over the life of the engine? Probably. Is your engine going to immediately blow up? No. Doesn't mater what kind of oil you use at what ratio, as long as you have some kind of oil there will not be a major failure. Choosing what oil to use and at what ratio is only a matter of wear over the life of the engine.
<br /><br />Now there is a good quote from me that should get a Quote responce. <br /><br />Member LubeDude wrote.<br /><br />" It just seems that rationality just dosnt matter". How so? Like I said, in an outboard engine, oil failure = scuffed or siezed cylinders. What's so difficult about that? It's very obvious when it happens and there is only one cause.