100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

[Bwalker]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

"UOAs dont lie, they will out live Mobil1 every time."<br />Are UOA's a industry accepted test of a oils antiwear properties? Send three samples to three differant labs and you get three differant reuslts. IMO UOA's are for setting drain intervals and detecting a failure and thats all. they where never ment to be used like these armchair tribologists use them pure and simple.<br /> When you compare a non API oil against a API oil with a phosphourus limit it isnt really fare is it?<br /> Besides I havent seen any trends where amsoil has better UOA's than Mobil

 

[Bwalker]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

"have changed to Redline and find this stuff is so slippery "<br />BS !<br /> BTW I would liek to see the patent # for this guys oil.<br /><br /> he is right on one thing. mobil does sell Amsoil most of there base stocks and lubrizol sells them the additive package. Amsoil probaly has no MFG facility of there own. The base oil and add pacs are sent to a packager, put in amsoil packaging, then sent to a Amsoil warehouse for distribution.

 

[rodbolt]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

wow what an interesting thread. I built an 89 88spl jonnyrude for my ex boss in 97. in 01 he called from beggars island hunt club to settle a bet with the caretaker. seems he had been running the motor at 100 to 1 since I delivered it in 97 on a 17' kenner. the caretaker told him it was supposed to be 50 to 1 so he called. the motor is still chugging today but I did reccomend he switch back to 50-1. so did it hurt it? most likly not. had it suffered a minor leanout or a tangle with the milfoil it most likly would have scuffed a piston. its amazing how little oil is required if all is well with the fuel and cooling system. but most are allowed to degrade and thats when the extra oil comes in handy.

 

[phatmanmike]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

trolllllllllll

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by Ben Walker:<br /> Amsoil probaly has no MFG facility of there own. The base oil and add pacs are sent to a packager, put in amsoil packaging, then sent to a Amsoil warehouse for distribution.

For awhile there, I thought maybe you knew what you were talking about, but this just shows me you havnt got a clue.

 

[timmathis]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Good morning America, How are you!

 

[Bwalker]

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"For awhile there, I thought maybe you knew what you were talking about, but this just shows me you havnt got a clue"<br />Are you claiming the amsoil makes its own base stocks and additive packages? If you are your full of sheet.<br /> if so where is there MFG facility located?

 

[timmathis]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Thank God it's over!

 

[tommays]

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i spent 15 years fixing fillers and other stuff for filling plants and have run the repiar dept for a big one for the last 15 <br /><br />even a small plant is a multimillion dollar outlay we have a 180,000 thousand square ft building just to hold empty bottles<br /><br />you would be really suprised who outsorces there products packing because of the costs involve in running a plant<br /><br />tommays

 

[Bwalker]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

"? Synthetics provide a very valuable benefit in certain applications, but a two-stroke engine simply isn’t one since the oil is a ‘single use’ in that it goes straight through the engine and therefore the low temperature fluidity, high temperature and oxidation resistance benefits of a properly formulated "<br /> this is complete BS as well. One of the most important properties of a two cycle oil is its ability to combust fully without leaving deposits. Ester based and PIB based syn blends are much better at doing this than any mineral oil..<br />BTW NO ONE WHO RACES OUTBOARDS SERIOUSLY USES A 100:1 RATIO! Call Hydro-Tec or one of the other outboard hop up shops and ask for yourself.

 

[Bwalker]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Tommays, When I worked in the Auto industry I saw parts at a packaging plant being stuffed into Napa, AC, Mopar and Car Quest boxes. All the parts came out of the same bin!<br />Now in regards to Amsoil. I have seen their building in Superior,Wis and it isnt a oil refinery. They may actually do some blending themselves of outsorced components, but I doubt it judging by the size/looks of the place. Truth is when you buy Amsoil you are getting a blend of Lubrizol additives and Mobil Base oils in most cases. Of course there are exceptions, but in this country Mobil has a stranghold on the synthetic base oil market. In fact they are the only makers of certain molecular weight PAO's.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by Ben Walker:<br /> Are you claiming the amsoil makes its own base stocks and additive packages?

No, of corse not, Everyone knows that, they get it mostly from the very people they are in competition with. They do however blend and bottle there own oils.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by LubeDude:<br />

Originally posted by Ben Walker:<br /> Are you claiming the amsoil makes its own base stocks and additive packages?

No, of corse not, Everyone knows that, they get it mostly from the very people they are in competition with. They do however blend and bottle there own oils.

Here is all I can find on the facility.<br /> History of Amsoil

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by LubeDude:<br />

Originally posted by LubeDude:<br />

Originally posted by Ben Walker:<br /> Are you claiming the amsoil makes its own base stocks and additive packages?

No, of corse not, Everyone knows that, they get it mostly from the very people they are in competition with. They do however blend and bottle there own oils.

Here is all I can find on the facility.<br /> History of Amsoil

Sorry Ben for jumping on ya the way I did, It was completly uncalled for. You really do have a clue.

 

[timmathis]

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Originally posted by Ben Walker:<br /><br />BTW NO ONE WHO RACES OUTBOARDS SERIOUSLY USES A 100:1

BS on that Quote, I know and can prove you wrong on that. Ray Weeks a professional Race boat co owner & driver. Also a Lake Greenwood 1/4 mile speed record holder.(BTW That He holds with one of one of my nitrous oxide bottles) mixes 100:1-110:1 Every race all over the U.S.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

OOPs

 

[Bwalker]

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You have a phone number where I can contact Ray?<br />If he does indeed run 100:1 oils is in the minority. Most outboard racers run rtios in the neighborhood of 20:1. because A. the motors make more power with more oil B. the motor is better protected.

 

[timmathis]

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Sure I do Ben. Give me your email and I will give it to Ray, Don't think I should post it. Also you need to go back and read MercMaster's Quote" He is a member of Mercury Marine's Race Team. He also talks about his fellow racers oil mix. A.More oil lowers octane B.You don't know what you are talking about C. Who cares.

 

[TheOilDoc]

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By Tim Mathis:<br /><br />B.You don't know what you are talking about

Member Ben Walker would be a good source for you to learn from Tim. He has provided solid information throughout this thread. <br /><br /><br />

By LubeDude:<br /><br />UOAs dont lie

How are you obtaining and testing a Used Oil Analysis on two stroke oil, which is consumed by the engine?<br /><br />The performance of 2-stroke engine oils are rated by measuring actual engine wear using standardized techniques. The oil itself is not evaluated. I have explained this to you many times LubeDude. And Ben Walker has already correctly explained that UOA's are used for determining change intervals and potential engine problems, not which oil is "the worlds best".<br /><br /><br />HERE is an interesting test which includes the Amsoil Saber 100:1 in R/C aircraft engines.<br /><br />"I would never use Amsoil 100:1 mixed at 100:1. There is no decrease of carbon formation and I noticed an increase of piston scuffing on the test engine. Even though I have over $20,000 of engines in my shop which I did not purchase on my own money, I still think it is "nuts" to shorten the life of an expensive engine from limited lubrication for the benefit of airplane cleanup."<br /><br />"In the case of Amsoil 100:1 mixed at 100:1, there is so little oil in the mix, the combustion of the oil added very little to the energy needed to turn the prop. The HS needle had to be opened to allow in the extra required gas to turn the prop at full speed. The presence of carbon with this mix indicates that the oil was burning but was in insufficient quantities to provide much power."<br /><br />"After 6 hrs of running, there was a carbon coating on the entire piston which was quite hard. The carbon was harder and slightly thicker than the Amsoil Saber 100:1 mixed at 50:1. Hard carbon was also forming on the cylinder head just above the exhaust port. Two spots of carbon were also forming on the ring. Piston scuffing on the skirt started showing up after this 6 hr run on 100:1. Scuffing was on both the intake and exhaust sides of the piston. This may be due to the low oil or just to the 54 hrs of accumulated time and the wearing of the wrist pin and bearings. <br /><br />"Either the engine is finally showing the wear of the long accumulated runtime or the 100:1 oil mix did not give the ring seal of the higher oil mixes or both."<br /><br />"Amsoil generally coated the entire piston, Mobil and a couple of others coated the majority of the piston leaving some portions clean, Pennzoil deposited carbon in a single stripe and Belray deposited carbon in a couple of spots."

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by TheOilDoc:<br /> <br />

By LubeDude:<br /><br />UOAs dont lie

How are you obtaining and testing a Used Oil Analysis on two stroke oil, which is consumed by the engine?<br /><br />

If you are this flipping ****** to think that is what I ment, I give up! <br /><br />And, that post about the R/C engine, who the H*ll cares, we are talking about outboard oil. Obviously that engine requires a richer oil mixture.