'67 Starcraft Islander with way too many parts taken off it.

[KellyC]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

You don't have to mix the gallon all at once measure and only add the hardner as needed and save the reast. It will stay useable only if it is not mixed.

Hey Puget, do you have any idea the shelf life of this stuff after it has been opened? I was thinking of getting the gallon sized one but was not sure on that part of it.

 

[ezmobee]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

$25 is $25. I'd buy the 2 quarts. It will be easier to mix and deal with than the gallon.

On the stereo, I have a definite answer for you depending on if you plan to use an ipod or not.........

 

[KellyC]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

$25 is $25. I'd buy the 2 quarts. It will be easier to mix and deal with than the gallon.

On the stereo, I have a definite answer for you depending on if you plan to use an ipod or not.........

The easier to mix and deal with is what I was thinking about the most with the gluvit. Just will have to see on that.

Well the wife has an ipod clone sort of, it is an mp3 player and she does plug it into the car when we go anywhere. So hit me with what ya got Ez, I can go with or without an ipod hookup buddy.

Also Ez, I remember that you posted a good place for steering gear and also bilge pumps for good prices. I just can't remember where these were, would you mind letting me know so as I can check them out there buddy. Thanks a bunch

 

[jasoutside]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

I know I am way outside of the norm, a weirdo/wacko of sorts, but.....

No stereo installed in my rig. We'll be listening to the water, waves, wind, birds, each other.

I know, crazy right!!!!

Just me.

 

[KellyC]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

I know I am way outside of the norm, a weirdo/wacko of sorts, but.....

No stereo installed in my rig. We'll be listening to the water, waves, wind, birds, each other.

I know, crazy right!!!!

Just me.

Well I kind of was thinking that way Jason, but the wife wants one just for a little bit of background music. It will not be anything loud or anything like that, just something to break up the sounds of the river. Here on the river is not like going to a lake where you have all the good noises like the animals and stuff. Most of the time you can hear the nearby mill and trains, town stuff, boats scooting up and down the river, just all kinds of stuff. Would be nice to have it like a mountain lake noises, but not here on the river anyway. Not unless you are going to be someplace where there is nothing nearby and those kind of places on the Columbia River are few and far between.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Having the wife happy is critical!

I didn't need to tell you that though huh.

 

[KellyC]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Another question that I have as well. I have some JB Weld and it is just stuff that I got at WallyWorld, but is there a special mix for marine? Just wondering cause I am going to start filling small holes with it and thought I better find out if there is something special or not. Also can you use it below the water line? Have several holes down low like from fish finder mounts and what not that will need to get filled.

I have a ton of tools that are now being shipped so I will have what I need when it is time to work on it. Am also going to be ordering some solid rivets so that I can do the patches on the pitted spots on the inside of the hull as well. Solid rivets and aluminum plate and 4200 or 5200 inbetween the plate and hull. Where the pitting is on the inside should I just put the plate on the inside? That is what I was thinking of doing in the first place.

 

[KellyC]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Having the wife happy is critical!

I didn't need to tell you that though huh.

Ummmmmmmmmmmm nope, did not need to tell me that. Am not a smart man but am smart enough to have figured that out though. That and she told:facepalm: me that there would be a sterio in the boat.

 

[ezmobee]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Well my first choice would be no stereo at all. I will never install on in my boat. Why spend the money on something permanent when a portable will do just as well. They make some pretty sweet boomboxes nowadays with ipod dock and everything.

If you had an actual iPod, this would hands down be my recommendation http://www.overtons.com/modperl/pro..._AM/FM/Satellite/iPod_Docking_Marine_Receiver I put one of these (non-marine version obviously) in my Honda and it is the greatest thing ever. However, since you don't have an actual ipod, just about any new head unit will have an aux input jack in it which is all you need. Just get one of those $99 Dual brand deals with the speakers and what not.

The steering system place is http://www.lowcostboatingstore.com/.

 

[Pugetsound]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

I suppose it like any epoxy type material. I only mix any of it for what I want to use then seal the material and the hardner and use it later. I have hept a lot of Marine Tex products over winter and used in the spring, Works for me. Your project is comeing along well.

 

[GLG fishing]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Kelly.... Yip I heard there is a marine JB-weld but I have never seen it. I have used the regular stuff and so far so good. I have used it on patches and on rivets both above and below the water line. The holes on your transom where the transducer was can be filled with a rivet. Butter the rivet with 3m5200 or JB-Weld and you should be fine. Question, why not reuse the holes for your next transducer? If the holes are in the wrong spot but they are very close I would put a patch on the inside and drill new holes and bolt the transducer thru the hull and into the patch. That should keep the patch in place and give you some new material to mount the transducer. Do put you choice of sealer on all your patches. As for the patches on the main hull where you have corrosion, I would put them on the inside unless there was a rib or something in the way. I would also watch out for where the hull sits on the bunks. You don?t want a patch there on the outside, as it will tear up your carpet. My understanding of the difference between 3m5200 and 3m4200 is that for permanent mounting you use 3m5200 and if you want to be able to remove the sealant use the 3m4200. Perhaps others will chime in if I?m wrong. I think extra caution on patches below the water line is in order. You only want to do this once and use the best product and procedure you can. Make sure the grade and the thickness of your patches will hold up for the next 30 years as once your done my guess is that the boat will be used at least that long. I do some volunteer work at a local hatchery and it frustrates me to no end how guys build of fix some thing that last only a few years. I have too many projects that are replacement projects for things that were built not to last. You can tell that someone was thinking when some of the infrastructure is solid even 25 years after it was put in but some of the stuff is falling apart after less then 5 years. The new team that we have now builds stuff to last at least 25 years maybe more. The next generation that takes over will thank us for our work.

 

[KellyC]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Well my first choice would be no stereo at all. I will never install on in my boat. Why spend the money on something permanent when a portable will do just as well. They make some pretty sweet boomboxes nowadays with ipod dock and everything.

I did not even think of just using a boom box, that is a sweet idea and maybe momma will go for that

If you had an actual iPod, this would hands down be my recommendation http://www.overtons.com/modperl/pro..._AM/FM/Satellite/iPod_Docking_Marine_Receiver

I like that sterio, will have to see what the wife says. I know she has been talking about an ipod as well, so it might be a good thing

The steering system place is http://www.lowcostboatingstore.com/.

Thanks for the steering sight, that is something that is going to get replaced for sure.

I suppose it like any epoxy type material. I only mix any of it for what I want to use then seal the material and the hardner and use it later. I have hept a lot of Marine Tex products over winter and used in the spring, Works for me. Your project is comeing along well.

Thanks Puget, it is slow in the process that is for sure. Thanks for letting me know that the epoxy stuff is not going to go bad sitting sealed in the can after opening. I have never had to deal with this kind of stuff and I was not sure.

 

[KellyC]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Kelly.... Yip I heard there is a marine JB-weld but I have never seen it. I have used the regular stuff and so far so good. I have used it on patches and on rivets both above and below the water line.

That is good to know, I just wanted to ask and make sure on the JB weld.

The holes on your transom where the transducer was can be filled with a rivet. Butter the rivet with 3m5200 or JB-Weld and you should be fine. Question, why not reuse the holes for your next transducer?

I may be able to reuse the holes, not sure yet and wanted to make sure of what I needed to do in case I cannot use the same holes.

Do put you choice of sealer on all your patches. As for the patches on the main hull where you have corrosion, I would put them on the inside unless there was a rib or something in the way. I would also watch out for where the hull sits on the bunks.

I was thinking that putting the patches on the inside would be the way to go for sure, just once again I wanted to know I was thinking the right way. I like to double check things that I am doing so that I know that I am doing them right. And my trailer is a full roller trailer so I am sure that the rollers would be hard on patches and that patches would hard on the rollers as well.

My understanding of the difference between 3m5200 and 3m4200 is that for permanent mounting you use 3m5200 and if you want to be able to remove the sealant use the 3m4200. I think extra caution on patches below the water line is in order. You only want to do this once and use the best product and procedure you can. Make sure the grade and the thickness of your patches will hold up for the next 30 years as once your done my guess is that the boat will be used at least that long. I do some volunteer work at a local hatchery and it frustrates me to no end how guys build of fix some thing that last only a few years.

Another reason that I am asking questions is that I want to do this right and do it right the first time. I really do not want to go through all of this tear down on the same boat again. Now if it was another boat then fine, but would kind of make me angry if I screwed it up and had to tear it all down again. I want this thing to last for at least as long as I have left.

 

[KellyC]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

I really appreciate all the help all of you guys give and what an inspiration that I get from many of you. I may be slow right now but when the weather heats up I am hoping that things will start coming together quickly. I ask tons of questions as I am so new to the boat scene and have been thinking what in the world did I get myself into. It would be so much easier to buy a new boat and just be able to go and play, fish or whatever. But I know that this way I will learn a lot and have met many new friends even if we have not met in person.

Again thanks to everyone on here, you are a great bunch of guys.

 

[KellyC]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Went to a new Fishermand Marine and Outdoor on Friday, new store just had to check it out. Well I am walking around and the wife finds some gluvit and the can is marked $34.96 but the shelf is marked $48.96 for a 1 quart size. Being me, I take it up to the register and ask about it cause the prices do not match. They call a manager and he comes over and talks to me and said that the correct price is the higher of the 2. Bumms me out, then he says I can have it for the price marked as I was honest in bringing it to his attention. The correct price actually rang up on the register as well. So I now have 2 quarts of gluvit, a tube of 4200 and 5200, and some ZC primer.

So it is supposed to be nice Saturday, in fact the nicest day of the year so far with 70 degree weather. So when I get up and start getting ready to go work on the old Islander, wife gets up and says "hun, we have a couple things to do today before you work on the boat":facepalm:. So I agree to do so with some reluctance. Well at 7:30 pm I get done with all she wants done and my blood sugar is down to 77, so I am done for the day. No work on boat dang the luck, and now the rain is back and is going to stay around for a while with cooler temps once again.

 

[veilside180sx]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

You had the same idea I did. I was able to sneak in zc and primer on my SS though. (looked at the weather ahead of time and blocked off the calendar...lol)

Went to a new Fishermand Marine and Outdoor on Friday, new store just had to check it out. Well I am walking around and the wife finds some gluvit and the can is marked $34.96 but the shelf is marked $48.96 for a 1 quart size. Being me, I take it up to the register and ask about it cause the prices do not match. They call a manager and he comes over and talks to me and said that the correct price is the higher of the 2. Bumms me out, then he says I can have it for the price marked as I was honest in bringing it to his attention. The correct price actually rang up on the register as well. So I now have 2 quarts of gluvit, a tube of 4200 and 5200, and some ZC primer.

So it is supposed to be nice Saturday, in fact the nicest day of the year so far with 70 degree weather. So when I get up and start getting ready to go work on the old Islander, wife gets up and says "hun, we have a couple things to do today before you work on the boat":facepalm:. So I agree to do so with some reluctance. Well at 7:30 pm I get done with all she wants done and my blood sugar is down to 77, so I am done for the day. No work on boat dang the luck, and now the rain is back and is going to stay around for a while with cooler temps once again.

 

[KellyC]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

You had the same idea I did. I was able to sneak in zc and primer on my SS though. (looked at the weather ahead of time and blocked off the calendar...lol)

Well she knew that I wanted to work on the old girl but wanted things done. For some reason this lady just has be all twitterpated some times. So being the sucker I am, I said ok hun, can I work on the boat when we are done. Sure she says, it won't take us long to do. Yea what the freak ever. That and the only time we really get together is Fridays and Saturdays as she works nights and I work days. So really try to make as much time for her as possible cause I really do love her, sometimes I wonder why though:facepalm:.

 

[KellyC]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

So I want to ask opinions here. It is been difficult to find a level place to park my boat and then fill it with water to check for leaking rivets. So should I find someplace to park it and fill it, or just go ahead and gluvit the inside? I have been wanting to do the gluvit and now that I have it I may put it on even though it is not ideal temps. Just take longer to cure is all that I can see with applying it in cooler temps.

 

[jasoutside]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

"hun, we have a couple things to do today before you work on the boat"

Huh, now where have I heard comments like that before

Oh yah, never mind. I remember now. I have my honey do list sitting right here.

 

[ezmobee]

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

Re: Well I did it now! 67 Islander Rebuild

So I want to ask opinions here. It is been difficult to find a level place to park my boat and then fill it with water to check for leaking rivets. So should I find someplace to park it and fill it, or just go ahead and gluvit the inside? I have been wanting to do the gluvit and now that I have it I may put it on even though it is not ideal temps. Just take longer to cure is all that I can see with applying it in cooler temps.

How off-level are we talking here? Would it be possible to raise the tongue up on a cinderblock or something to make it level? The goal here is to get some water in it to identify any loose or missing rivets so you can deal with them prior to Gluviting. It would be better to "mechanically" repair the issues then rely on just the Gluvit to fix them.