93 Bayliner 1800 Capri Outboard Restoration Project

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Here's an aluminum gas tank installation guide of sorts and a 2nd.

Using foam for tank installation has the same problems as Jasoutside's concerns for using pour in foam in an aluminum boat: Trapped moisture between foam & tank causing corrosion & water logging the foam. No one plans to get enough water in their boat, and to let it sit long term enough to cause this kind of damage, but it does happen & once it does it is difficult to resolve the waterlogged foam which then causes the additional problems. Glass boats have wood encased in glass and you've already seen water intrusion does to the wood.

Well cared for & stored covered boats can also fall prey to condensation below decks because the smallest little pin hole in the glass work can let air be drawn below decks & once there hot & cold cycles can cause condensation. Be sure to drill drainage limber holes in all your stringers & bulkheads (Trooper82 has some good photos of the PVC cutouts he made for drainage in his Elko).

And my 1960 Glastron has an air expansion hose up under the deck. It is looped & faces downward, but the only purpose it seems to serve is to allow minimal air circulation during the heat cycling below deck because it isn't large enough to force much air into below decks:
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EDIT: This pix should be rotated 90deg counterclockwise, loop runs UP & hose end points DOWN

Not to suggest that any of that ^^^ is a "Don't use pour in foam in a glass/tinny, or don't use foam to lock the tank in place once it's strapped & isolated" for or against foam usage in boats. It is information only.
 
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Ok...I definitely agree with the gas tank and condensation issues. But as far as these limber holes are concerned I am confused about. How do you keep water from going back up into them from bilge area...or ski locker etc? Also I would think the 3 layers of 1708 is far superior than the original sprayed in glass. I remember reading frisco's thread on the limber hole design, but never saw him use those. I liked his red guard idea, but do not like the fact that the foam will not adhere to red guard. Another reason I will foam after deck is down...I want the foam to adhere to the bottom of the deck. Man, just too many issues to decide on! Lol
 

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Man, getting so close to putting the deck down!!! need to make one more bulk head...tab and fillets on it, cap remaining stringers, and install deck cleats. If all goes well will be painting the ski locker, gas tank area, and bilge this weekend. Could I be a week away from an installed deck???? Still a lot to do, but the good thing about an outboard...I can install my motor and ready to run in just a couple hrs!!!
 

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Almost have all of my deck cleats in!!!! Then cap the stringers and PAINT!!!! Hope to have a nice video for tomorrow evening. ;)
 

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well it is the start to another weekend!! ran into way too many non-boat related things last weekend. So lets hope this one is better! did get all of my cleats installed though. Now just finish capping them and paint some...heres hoping tomorrow goes well.
 

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Ok...I definitely agree with the gas tank and condensation issues. But as far as these limber holes are concerned I am confused about. How do you keep water from going back up into them from bilge area...or ski locker etc? Also I would think the 3 layers of 1708 is far superior than the original sprayed in glass. I remember reading frisco's thread on the limber hole design, but never saw him use those. I liked his red guard idea, but do not like the fact that the foam will not adhere to red guard. Another reason I will foam after deck is down...I want the foam to adhere to the bottom of the deck. Man, just too many issues to decide on! Lol
I had the same questions about limber holes from the stringers in the areas that were to be filled with foam,. I took the time and installed pvc pipe, kind of like weeping tile to the back of the boat to drain under the motor mount. But before I put the motor mount in I decided to seal these limber holes and just have the limber holes coming from the ski locker to the gas tank area back to the bilge. Reason I did this is I remember reading about people going to check their boats after a heavy rain to find their bilge pump quit and their boat had enough water in it to fill the bilge area. Where did the water go from here back in the limber holes to wear your dry foam is. So I decided I would have my foam areas a water tight area and hope no water ever gets in there. I don't plan on leaving my boat out to fill with water after my restore either plus I don't plan on leaving it at the marina out in the weather.
It is a catch 22 situation I guess and is all up to the individual...

You are doing a fine job on the restore

Cheers
 

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Thanks Outback! My wife says we will have to name the boat after a tank....because that's how I am building it! Lol
 

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Although M1A1 Abrams sounds kinda cool for a boat name, it's kinda masculine for a boat that's supposed to be a her or a she, don't ya think:facepalm:. Not that I'm a big fan of Tinker Bell either:eek:, but it's the only really girly name I could come up with this early:D

After getting some wet foam out of the hull, it should still ride higher in the water, even after adding back more construction weight (when re-built tank like) then originally present. So all good:cool:
 

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so "M1A1-TINKER" sounds good to me HAHAHA. Man, I really do need to come up with a name!!!!
 

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My wife just said "Tanker Bell" of guys help me come up with a name quick....before she gets any more ideas!!!!!
 

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It is advisable to consult w the Admiral (AKA SWMBO) for suggestions when naming a boat, but no need to go crazy:
My wife just said "Tanker Bell" of guys help me come up with a name quick....before she gets any more ideas!!!!!

SWMBO: she who must be obeyed:facepalm:
 

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I picked up some polyethylene foam pipe insulation today to go in strips under gas tank. Everything I read said that polyethylene was very chemical resistant.....and it floats! lol going to install gas tank this eve, and hopefully start cutting and fitting the deck!!! I cannot believe it could have a deck in again soon. I have been wondering if that day would come!!

FYI...finally picked up another video camera today...so will post another video for all my fellow pic/vid junkies. ;)
 

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I'll have the popcorn and 3D glasses ready.:)
 

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Gotta decide.....gel coat or carpet for the deck???? I think whatever I decide I will do on deck and sides. If I do gel coat I will spray it all. Just worried about finished look....slippery when wet....etc.
 

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Gelcoat will be slippery. You can roll it on to get more of a texture and even add Non Slip additive to it or use a textured roller. It will still be slippery when wet. Carpet Stays wet and stains. Lot's of trade offs. I don't like carpet but that's just me. I usually wear crocs or deck shoes in the boat so I don't mind the non skid deck surface. Your Boat...Your choice!!!;)
 

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I covered my deck with 1708 and gelcoated over it....between the texture of the biax and the roller it's not slick at all.
 

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Rick, that is one of the ideas I was thinking....but I tried an area with 1708 and it serenade to become smooth after 2ndsucking coat. Lol is there any benefit to just going ahead and gelcoating.....then if I change my mind I can carpet over gelcoat?
 

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I am cutting and dry fitting deck!! It is amazing to stand on a floor!!!!!
 
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