Carver 2357 Montego rebuild

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then we had some discussion about the lower unit







Only the bottom half of the outdrive is common. The only thing the bottom half does is shift between forward, neutral and reverse. The top end of the outdrive is SPCIFIC to the engine and may have different sized shaft, different number of splines, different gimbal pins, different size bearings, etc. - depending on the engine, not the horsepower. Different cid, torque, power to speed curve is all 'adjusted' in the gear ratio to match the top half to the engine. The propeller diameter and pitch is designed to match to the hull type and weight, which has everything to do with the plane speed. The wrong prop will seriously affect performance.

Another, usually overlooked Mercruiser outdrive 'service', is the top end has a water jacket that is supposed to help cool the top bearing and oil reservoir. The jacket gets it's water supply from the impeller pump at the top of the tube that goes between the impeller and the top end. The hole that allows water into the jacket will plug up and there will be no water in the jacket to help cool the top bearing and oil causing the bearing to eventually fail (ask me how I know). If it's never been serviced it is impossible to get the bolts out without breaking them, making it impossible (or very expensive) to fix. Don't try to take them out - the rubber tube seal can be replaced without removing the plate.

There are two very small holes in the outdrive (one on each side) that allow water to escape that also plug up. They are at the rear of the outdrive between the bottom and the next to the bottom little cooling fins - look hard - you'll find them - use a needle or stiff wire to make sure they are open. There should be a bit of water leaking from them when the engine is running, no water = no water cooling the top end. Google 'outdrive cooler' or 'outdrive shower' to see how to correct the problem if there is no water getting to the jacket. This is just a 'heads up' - if you have water coming from the holes when the engine is running, you don't have a problem.
 

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There might be slight 'differences' between the different top ends from outdrive model to model - number of shaft splines, bearing sizes, etc. and make sure you use the correct gaskets between the outdrive and gimbal housing.

It won't hurt to lift the cap on the bearing tower and check to see if the water jacket has been getting a water supply. Carefully pour a little water in the jacket and see if the 'weep' holes are open.

And make sure you load the gear oil from the BOTTOM plug - the same resevoir lubes BOTH the bottom and top gears and bearings. When the two halfs are separated and then put back together you could get an air 'pocket' that won't come out until the oil heats up thereby lowering the oil in the system enough to cause damage when the bubble 'pops'. Filling the system from the bottom forces the air out.
 

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Trim not going up. killed the solenoid jumping across so got to get another one. Might be a puck issue. Might be what caused all the corrosion on the lower unit; they have spliced the wires in on the port side which is I think the up/down one.

They used butt splices.



So here is the question.



Lots of little holes on the topside from previous s*** done to it. Plus bolts thru for the bow rail all loose.

4200 on the bow rail?


What to do on the others? A bolt with a washer an some 5200?
 

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it looks like a merc starter solenoid is the same as a mercruiser trim solenoid


Turns out i have a couple of them.



got close and personal with the lower unit (no homo) yesterday. Still going to replace the leg, but the transom assembly looks to be in pretty good shape. Some corrosion but turns out the bulk of it was where they had painted over the plant growth.

So when i replace i'm going to take a wire brush in my drill and scrape all the s*** off. Found mercruiser paint. do i need special primer on the aluminum? I've sprayed as touch ups before so wasn't too worried about it but never so much raw metal.



BTW - planning now, should get a couple bucks next month for my annual bonus so this s*** is really going to happen.
 

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spare tire mounted.

all sterndrive parts found and ready to order. Only $100 busck shipping from Tampa. When it get closer to not having to worry about re-winterizing the boat we'll tear into it.


need to check the trim though - goes up not down but see no leaking around the rams. Haven't checked the fluid level.
 

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ok i'm thinning down a 40 page thread so gonna take a break.
 

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anyone know anything about Coleman outboards? Found a brand new 9.9 on CL for about $800 less than retail.
 

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Made in China, by Parsun
 

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everything is made iin China. Anything more detailed than that? Any knowledge, history, reviews?
 

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The parts from the Yamaha 9.9 are interchangeable so thats good. :-*

The reviews that I read were all good. :p


PS, I was looking at buying one when I had my 2150 BayHole.
 

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WTF are you going to do with a less than 10hp motor on that heavy *** boat? I know you are looking for a trolling motor but I gotta bad feeling that you will be sadly dissapointed with something that small.

I could be wrong, but I know what my heavy *** boat does with a 60 horse on it and mine weighs half of what this thing does..
 

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dad had a 6hp on his early 80's 25' Sundancer.
 

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All he needs to get out of it is about 3 MPH. Much faster and you wont catch Rock Fish.
 

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and since i'm spoiled with knowing i have two engines on the Hole (which has come in handy) i want a back up.

The Coleman was sold.


Found a few 7.5 Honda's for under a grand. Thinking i can just tap into the main tank so i don't have to deal with an auxillary.
 

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I try to stay around 2.5 mph when I can. If you really want to catch stripers get yourself a Alabama rig. :-* Don't know what makes it more productive than any other umbrella rig, it just is. You have to check your state rules as it's been out-lawed in a few places. It's that good. :cool:
 

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Most folks in the NW are using 9.9 hp Yammies for trolling. They work fine on the 26 Tollys that are very heavy for their size
 

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The meduim boats shows 4500 lbs dry


sterndrive goes up and down, but lowly falls. No oil at the rams or the hoses and the associated connection. Hoses in the interior cI cannot trace completely to the motor. I believe i had filled resivour last time, low today.

THoughts?
 
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(remember there are multiple people replying to my thread just pretend I'm suffering from multiple personalities)
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it may have been lower than just the resivoir. it may have sucked all that up into the pump and now needs more. put more in it and see what it does.

kinda like filling your radiator while the truck is running to make sure the system is full.
 
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