Carver 2357 Montego rebuild

[redneck joe]

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Kinda what i was hoping. Any idea how much it holds?

 

[redneck joe]

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a bunch

prolly some good info to have, but you dont know how much you have put in already so.....fill the reservoir half way and see what happens..

 

[redneck joe]

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so i've been thinking...

 

[redneck joe]

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you better cut that out before you hurt yourself... ;D

 

[redneck joe]

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too late.


One time when i was topping off this weekend the unit started to drop and thus began to push out fluid. The old was really pretty nasty looking. Could this be causing issues? Also if i drained and started fresh i would know what amount i was putting in, thus knowing if it was full. Of course, helps to know how much it takes...

and i've been using hydraulic oil, but reading ATF or 10W30.. THink what i'm using is causing any issues?

 

[redneck joe]

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the last 2 O'D's I had

1990 volvo 290 DP and 1997 mercruiser BIII, I used ATF... :-*

marine mech where I kept them suggested that

 

[redneck joe]

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well i've been doing it wrong...


www.boatfix.com/merc/Servmanl/6/6C5R3.PDF




on the outboard i check with unit up; here it says unit down. Not sure why when it dropps it pushes fluid out. Also have not checked the vent screw. Wonder if that would be the issue.

 

[jigngrub]

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So, are you going to do any actual work to the boat... or is this a trailer resto thread?

Sorry I didn't read the words, but the lack of pictures and actual boat work makes this thread 3 pages of less than interesting.

 

[redneck joe]

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I have always used trim/tilt fluid. It is thinner then the most common (303) hydraulic fluid. ATF is hydraulic fluid with different additives. Some newer hydraulic systems are using synthetic motor oils.

 

[redneck joe]

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So, are you going to do any actual work to the boat... or is this a trailer resto thread?

Sorry I didn't read the words, but the lack of pictures and actual boat work makes this thread 3 pages of less than interesting.

you should read the full thread if you want even more less interesting.

Yes, getting to the motor and interior gut job now, but had to start on the trialer


in real life, i'm picking up from the shop today had a new headliner put in.

 

[redneck joe]

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The earlier trim pumps used 30w oil. You say it pushes out oil but never mention where. The most common place is from the short hydraulic hoses between the rams and the out drive. The rubber under the shielding will crack - but I didn't see any oil deposits on the hoses in any of the pics. The next most likely place is the seal inside the rams (easy fix and kits available and relatively inexpensive) that will allow pressured oil to pass over to the other side. On a boat that old (and sitting so long) resealing the rams is a job I'd do anyway.

FYI - the rams are part of the 'reservoir system' There is oil on both sides of the pistons as well as in the pump. Pressure is applied to whichever side (up or down) is being used and oil on the non-pressure side flows freely back to the pump reservoir. The only other thing that could go 'bad' (assuming the pump motor is working and making pressure) would be the 'check valve' inside the pump (not an easy job and better left to a pro).

 

[redneck joe]

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Yeah
That's what i'm going to check is the rams. If i block in the up position and the the hoses off Nd plug the hold and remove the block if the ram is good it wont fall. Then should be the pump unfortunately. At least thats what the internet says.

Hey mellow the lines from the pump going to the back of the block, where does it go? Im kinda afraid i have a leak can't see but really dont want to have to pull the engine.

And if the pump is bad can i replace with newer rather than the old prestolit

 

[redneck joe]

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No need to remove the engine. The hoses from the rams attach to a 'manifold' on the bottom of the transom side of the gimbal housing and the hoses from the pump attach on the other side of the manifold so they can be replaced without removing the engine. Two bolts, accessible from the outside once the ram hoses are removed, hold the manifold in place.

If the pump is lifting and lower the out drive normally and then it starts to go down by itself and there is no oil puddle in the bilge or leaks from the ram hoses it sounds more like a pressure leak in the rams.

If the boat was left for an extended period of time with the out drive in the up position without the "UP position' external support hook the rams are the primary 'suspect', the check valve in the pump would be next.

If the pump is NG I have a used 'spare' for cheap if that is an early or pre-Alpha I/O. Make sure the rams are OK first.

 

[redneck joe]

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ordered a new sterndrive and trim rams today with all the sh** needed to install. Everything behind the transom will be brand new with a 3 year warranty

ordered:
stern drive
Drive shower
Transom seal kit
Shift cable
trim cylinders
Anode kit
stern drive install kit
trim cyl install kit
Trim Sensors (hockey pucks)
paint
Zinc Chromate for primer
3M 5200
3M 4200
portapotty
marine tex

 

[redneck joe]

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my new unit:

 

[redneck joe]

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headed for a test run

I've got life jackets, two batteries fully charges, will get 50 gal of fuel on the way (no ethanol)
, and have beer.


The plug is already in


What else am I missing?

 

[redneck joe]

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fired up first turn of the key. Didn't stay running but close. Third turn ran perfectly. Sat at the dock for about 15 minutes letting it get happy then took her out.

it was windy as ****, for sure gonna need some tabs on it - it was about a 20 degree angle when I got into the wind.

Tach doesn't work well so not sure of exact but felt like in the low 3000's was the highest i went.

I had some surges while out so I quickly turned around and headed back in so in all about 5 minutes on plane.

My plan was to get it out, run for a bit and find a cove then install one of the several fuel filters I purchased. Problem was i forgot to buy hose clamps...

thats why i didn't stay out too much - didn't want to kill the thing because of fuel.

Its got a water seperator on it. FOrgot the replacent filter for that too.



So, just pulled back to the dock and let it run there for about an hour while i had a couple beers and my sandwich.


putting it back on the trailer was fun, i think i'll get a couple steps welded to winch post.

 

[redneck joe]

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dammit trim tabs are expensive.

 

[redneck joe]

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Posted over on jafb forum and tabman stepped up as always. Putting on 18 x 20's

 

[redneck joe]

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Tabman is the man. :-*

He helped me out with some minor problems a few years ago.