Gay marriages

[mikeandronda]

Re: Gay marriages

ok Andy you have a point about many older people may be ashamed to have had the veiws they did earlier in life. You also someday may wonder what the heck you were thinking at the age you are now when you have nocked back some more years.But this is not about race. Homosexuality has been looked upon as an "act" of disobedience to God or at the very least against the laws of nature in most cultures since writin histry has been around. Where does this let anybody do anything aditude stop? what "rights" are people gonna be fightin for in 10-20 years from now.Some people really love their pets, now if they want to get married to their horse most of us would be like u sick idiot...ewwwwww...no way. Wouldnt happen right, its against the law and the guy prolly wouldnt be able to stand up to the attacks he would recieve. Well 15-20 yrs ago it was just as unbelievable to most people that it would be legal to marry the same sex as it is to us now believing you could marry an animal. If you want to be gay thats your choice but when people turn it into a political stance so to recieve different or better treatment then the average joe, thats where I go no way. Im a 33 yr old Christian man with brown hair. All of us 33 yr old Christian men with brown hair dont have it as good as younger men with blond hair, so I think the Gov should stand up for me and give me ...oh I dont know....a title, money, insurance... and say if anybody messes with me it will be a hate crime. see the problem here.......Ok sorry just ranting here...Ill stop.

 

['seeks]

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New here, but this one caught my eye.<br /><br />"Once again, the will of the few overpowers the will of the many !"<br /><br />That's how this country is supposed to work!<br /><br />Without getting in too deep into a discussion of the meanings of a true democracy (which our country is not), and regardless of my views on the subject (which are of the "I'll leave you alone if you leave me alone" variety), it is important to remember this, KennyKenCan:<br /> One of the principles on which this country was founded was that of the protection of the rights of the minority. At that time one of the most salient issues was the freedom to pursue the religion of one's choice, but of course, issues change over time.<br /><br />What shouldn't change, however, is that "minority rights/majority rule" philosophy. This philosophy exists for more fundamental issues than hetero vs. homosexuality, but I believe that just as someone practicing a minority religion should be protected from a larger group which disagrees with their beliefs, so should other minority groups be protected.<br /><br />The argument always exists, of course, that some freedoms should not be defended (the freedom to imbibe large quantities of alcohol and drive, for example, or to molest children like Mr. Jackson has been accused). But as for this, I have tried to imagine exactly what immoral crimes against humanity homosexuality perpetrates, but I just can't think of any aside from the ewwww factor for someone not into that sort of thing.<br /><br />In fact, an alert editorialist pointed out that its very interesting just how hard homosexuals are fighting for the right to engage in an activity that so many heterosexuals have already given up on. Makes me wonder.<br /><br />I'm off my soapbox now, folks. Thanks very much.

 

[FLATHEAD]

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Who gives a rats azz what the gays do. <br /><br />If they want to be a priest or a bishop and the church is dumb enough to let em ,, good for them. <br /><br />If they want to marry and hold hands and dress like little girlie's good for them, let em have it.<br /> <br />I could care less if they climb to the highest mountain and shout out how gay they are. WHO CARES!! <br /><br />As long as they leave me the he!! alone I could care less how they act. Parade down the street wearing a dress and singing with a lisp is fine with me, it gives me something to laugh at.<br /><br />Get married and put your wife/hubby or whatever the he!! you call it on your insurance,, big deal! it wont matter one bit when it comes to the cost of insurance when you look at the big picture.<br /><br />I ain't got to like it, but screaming and shouting and making vulgar statements is just plain stupid and a waste of time. <br /><br />I know my faith and it dont include gays, I dont feel the least bit threatened by the gay culture. As long as they leave me alone WHO CARES what they do.

 

[LubeDude]

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Flathead<br /><br />The problem is the they are not leaving you the H**l alone!! they are costing you more in Taxes, and Healthcare!!!! A LOT more!!!! <br /><br />LubeDude

 

[plywoody]

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This is merely a problem with language. If you think the term "marriage" is a religious term regarding a relationship between two people and their god, that is just fine.<br /><br />along with having religious connotations, it has some pretty significant legal connotations.<br /><br />Call it a union, if you wish, rather than a marriage. I don't think many gays would nitpick over the verbage. But there are significant implications to the legal part of this, that is visitation in the hospital, rights of estate, etc.ect. that are important, and that do not affect you and your beliefs in the least.<br /><br />If your interpretation of your god suggests this is a sin, I suggest you don't do it. there is, thankfully, no official governmental interpretation of what God officially thinks and says on the subject, no matter what Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell or anyone else says on the subject.<br /><br />If two people willingly want to enter into a civil union, with all the legal implications that come with it, I don't see what right you or anyone else have in telling them they can't. It will have absolutely no effect on you, or anything you believe in. Heck, there still is a marriage penalty on their taxes, and they'll pay more in tax this way.<br /><br />We are, after all, a free country, and pride ourselves--even insist on self determination--there is no clause anywhere that requires the majority to approve of a minority lifestyle shared by consenting adults.

 

[KennyKenCan]

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Hey Flathead,<br /><br />Could not agree with you more, except that they are going to cost you more in your taxes and healthcare, just like LubeDude said.<br /><br />So this action is going to affect you, right in your wallet!

 

[FLATHEAD]

Re: Gay marriages

How do you figure they are costing me more in health care? I find it hard to believe that such a small segment of the population would make health cost rise to the point it would affect me.

 

[mattttt25]

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exactly. who cares. who should care. andy- you make some great points. segregation is segregation, whether it's race or sexual preference. <br /><br />"Homosexuality has been looked upon as an "act" of disobedience to God or at the very least against the laws of nature in most cultures since writin histry has been around." who said? did god come down from the heavans and tell someone it was a sin? i really don't think so. i think some men back in the day may have written it in a book we call the bible.<br /><br />"If you want to be gay thats your choice but when people turn it into a political stance so to recieve different or better treatment then the average joe, thats where I go no way." how so? can you not marry and receive the same benefits?<br /><br />i hate responding to these posts because it pisses me off that we live in a world with so much ignorance, biggotry, and hatred. i don't see anyone forcing anyone to be gay or like the lifestyle, so why should marriage between two people bother anyone?

 

[FLATHEAD]

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As far as the health care goes this is the way I see it. If a couple of gay dudes get hitched and have jobs, that means they are paying into some sort of health care. <br /><br />In my book that beats the heck out of the immense problem with the welfare and unemployed bums that but a huge burden on health care cost.<br /><br />Not to mention greedy pharmaceutical company's greedy insurance company's, and countless malpractice case's. That's where your high cost come from.

 

[SeaMasterZ@aol.com]

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ah butt (couldnt resist! ) the point is, the more acceptable it becomes, the more prevalent it will be, and the more prevalent it becomes, the more AIDS cases you will see<br /><br />and just the cocktail (!!!!!) is hideously expensive ... let alone the hospitalization, and the incidental costs and trauma by the health care providers that get needle sticks and the like treating these<br /><br />GAY AND PROUD abominations<br /><br />proud? be proud of being AMERICAN, not the fact that you can accomodate a football team in your colon<br /><br />sheesh, I suppose next they will have Miss Gaymerica Pageants, bunch of lisping, limp wristed transvesticles mincing around, heeeerrreeee he comes, misssssssssssss gayyyyyyyyyy - merrrriica<br /><br />And for the Best Disguise of a Huge Adams Apple ...<br /><br />Least amount of falls while clattering in high heels ...<br /><br />least hairiest legs ....<br /><br />best "tape job" ...<br /><br />Least knobbiest knees ...<br /><br />BLEH! holy vomitorium!

 

[Mark42]

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Isn't that an oxymoron?

 

[FLATHEAD]

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Mattttt25, I apologize for the crap you have to take from some of these knuckleheads. And to think Ray is going to try to be a counselor God help those that open up to him. I think this EDITED is a big part of the reason this site is seeing the recent changes, and the reason many dont post here anymore,, myself included. <br />Adios my Iboats friends.<br /><br />EDITED.<br /><br />Watch the personal flames. This site is open but not without rules.

 

[JasonJ]

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As far as health insurance goes, the more people there are to pay into it, the better it is. Then we won't have as many county hospitals footing the bill for medical care. Who do you think foots the bill for uninsured medical care? Taxpayers. As far as taxes go, a gay marriage has no bearing on taxes. If a person takes the time to research it, a vast majority of gay people are succesful, earning good wages, and paying taxes. It is all the single mothers who were taught at an early age that their role in life is to get married and crank out kids that is the problem. They crank out the kids, the old man leaves them, and now our wellfare system is flooded with poor skill-less single women. Don't see a lot of married gay people on welfare. What this whole subject boils down to is our own personal fear. The fear that somehow us heteros will be somehow converted to gay because two guys got hitched somewhere. It boils down to our own homophobia based on the ignorant thought that because we accidently looked at another guys package in the shower room in junior high that somehow makes us gay. It all has to do with ourselves. Me, I was in the Army for 11 years, took a lot of showers with a lot of guys, and unfortunatley, saw a lot of packages. But you know what? Never had any thoughts about it, didn't care, I was too busy liking women. If you are comfortable with your own sexuality, then the subject of gay marriage or any of that will have no relevance. To try to cover it all up by saying we will pay more taxes or God will smote all with a penchant for guy-on-guy action or health insurance will suffer is just a coverup for bigotry. <br /><br />If a person want to be gay and be married, let them. They don't need to cram it down our throats, but they don't have to hide either.<br /><br />BTW, homosexual activity is found throughout nature, it is not just humans that do it, so not even the "against nature" bit can be used.<br /><br />Also, while AIDS was brought to our attention as a homosexual desease, it has since been shown that drug use, no screening of the blood supply, heterosexual activity, as well as homosexual activity is what has spread that wonderful disease.<br /><br />In conclusion, a person has the same right to be gay as I do to own a boat.

 

[Topmason]

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homosexual activity is found throughout nature, it is not just humans that do it,

Pulleezzzzze enlighten me on this one and don't go down to the protozite or microbic stage with it, unless of course that's what you're speaking of.<br />I've never heard of any other mammal getting it on with the same sex.

 

[SoulWinner]

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Flathead, Castaway, can't you guys be nice? I'm not asking you to be gay, just to voice your opinion sans degrading/personal attack.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: Gay marriages

CastawayRay:<br /><br />I think you got to Flathead!! No one can say it like you do!! <br /><br />LubeDude

 

[BrianFD]

Re: Gay marriages

Mattttt25 said:<br />

i hate responding to these posts because it pisses me off that we live in a world with so much ignorance, biggotry, and hatred.

Couldn't have said it better! Who cares?! The government and the courts have shown time and again that they'll do whatever they want, when they want. The thing WE must do is to make this not a political 'bone of contention' and learn to live together with honesty, love and compassion. I mean, aren't there better topics to cuss and discuss? What about healthcare, prescription drugs, unemployment, excessive taxes.... the list goes on & on. C'mon, people!

 

[rolmops]

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Hello.<br />When I was wounded in the Yom Kippur war in 1973 it was a gay man who saved my life and dragged me out from under artillery fire...<br />My niece who went to Ruwanda during the Genocide between the Hootoes and the Tutsies is married to her girl friend(this is legal in the Netherlands).When I called her to ask if she wanted a rainbow flag or something like that, she got mad at me and said:"I am a doctor, a tennis player, a fun lover and many more things.Don't you dare stick me in a box and write homosexual on it because it is only a small part of my identity"<br />So all you gay bashers out there think twice.There is a fair chance that the gynecologist who brought you or your children into this world is gay.<br />Oh.. and about them driving up the price of health care.How about beer guzzling, cigaret smoking, overweight rednecks??

 

[Fishbusters]

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Trying to reply and word it so I don't get poof. Here goes.....<br />The intimate relations that occur in a male to male relationship is neither safe or natural. It requires special care and attention to be safe and stay healthy engaging in that activity. The same can be said of the same activity in a male female relationship. In normal male female relationship things are made to where it is natural, normal and requires nothing more than excitement by both parties to occur. Male female relationship is enjoyable and can happen without anything more than two people getting together in the dark and doing what comes naturally. This can not be said of male male relationship which despite what has been said has to be learned and done carefully in order for both partners to enjoy it. Personally I feel that this means there is a certain way things should be done and that it was set forth by nature (insert God, Allah, Buddha, or whatever you want here) to be that way. Marital relations (whether inside or outside a marriage) is only supposed to happen between a man and a woman and as such marriage, union or whatever you want to call it should only be allowed between a man and a woman and to do otherwise is a crime against nature (see above inserts).

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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