What if Roe vs Wade was reversed.....

[Haut Medoc]

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JB, you are definitely a voice of reason, and I value your insight.Though I feel there is a lot more to be said, this subject seems to really get some members over-wrought...I would start a topic on the very question you posed....However, I don't think anything would be accomplished....JK

 

[Vlad D Impeller]

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JB, I take it that the courts analysis is since a beating heart and pulmonary function does not prove that a person is alive,(as in the Schiavo case) therefore the same rule applies to the unborn. Did i get that right?

 

[NOSLEEP]

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When does life begin? When does life end?<br /><br />Perhaps "life" is not a true definition of what<br />constitutes a beginning or an end.<br /><br />I recall a case where a mother and unborn child<br />were murdered and the perpetrator was charged <br />and convicted of 2 murders.

 

[txswinner]

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If reversed rich girls will go off to boarding school just like in the 60's and poor girls will go to the nurse or worse and be cured in the back bedroom. More young girls will be injured or die and abortions will go on.<br /><br />This is not a government issue but a moral one that can only be addressed by one's own self and with guidance at home and through our religious beliefs.<br /><br />Government intervention will work just as well as the war against drugs. WAKE UP AMERICA, we must educate and spend time with our youth. Anything else is simply a denial of our neglect of the future of this great country.

 

[LadyFish]

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[Vlad D Impeller]

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Originally posted by LadyFish:<br />

Do you have low fat butter on your popcorn

 

[Haut Medoc]

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LF, you are a woman of child bearing age, & no more popcorn for you! It would be good to hear from someone who has closer ties to the questions at hand....Sure you wouldn't you like to add anything? I covet your graemlins very much, BTW ......JK

 

[LadyFish]

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Well to be quite honest its a very difficult subject to discuss without getting someone's temperature to rise, including mine.<br /><br />Personally, I don't believe in abortion. God giveth life and he is the only one who can taketh away. I do in fact feel that its murder. <br /><br />If you wanna dance, you gotta pay the fiddler. Last I read there were over 43 billion abortions since 1973, I'm sure that number is much higher by now. It bothers me to the point where I have a hard time stomaching too much discussion about it.<br /><br />I never believed in abortion and never will. I believe that Roe vs Wade was to eliminate butcher type abortions that have been carried out since the 40's and make it safe for women to abort. Still wrong in my eyes.<br /><br />To be quite honest, I don't even believe in abortion for babies who might be born imperfect/disabled. I believe God has a plan for everyone and we shouldn't mess with that plan.<br /><br />Right now, there is a lot of focus on such abortions. If the baby isn't perfect, abort. People are even playing with gender selection. Next it'll be, messing around with IQ's, etc. I personally feel that all this leads to a world of perfect people that wasn't meant to be.<br /><br />P.S. It's NOT a woman's choice and never should have been IMHO.

 

[POINTER94]

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JB is correct, as is frequently the case. The issue is when does life begin and end. If you, can in your heart of hearts believe it begins while in the womb, can you imagine how horrendous the thought of an abortion is? One of the things that is disturbing to pro-lifers is the amount of premee babies that grow to maturity. The other is the lengths the choice people will go to ignore or discredit any new science, as that is where the answer actually lies. I can't believe that anyone could justify a third term abortion based on the term choice.<br /><br />I also can appreciate the rights to do with your body that which you want. Keeping government out of one's body, the most personal of things, is tatamont. It is an emotional arguement/situation and you can clearly see which side I lie on. Everyone has equal rights and that includes infants. Remember, we were all one once. <br /><br />I do find how those would accept unbelievable torture on terrorists for information are typically the one's wanting to save the unborn. And those who can be appaulled by torture frequently have no problem eradicating the weakest among us.

 

[EZLoader]

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If it's not a baby, then you're not pregnant!

 

[technostingray]

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Originally posted by LadyFish:<br /> I personally feel that all this leads to a world of perfect people that wasn't meant to be.<br />

I don't think there is any danger of that.

 

[JB]

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I don't know how the Court viewed that question, Vlad, but they must have believed that life does not begin with conception. I can't see the Roe v. Wade decision if they believed so.<br /><br />My then-16 year old daughter refused to consider abortion. She has since giving up her daughter for adoption put 27 years into a career as a NICU nurse, yet, she supports other women's right to decide.<br /><br />I, frankly, do not believe that "life" begins at conception but have very ambiguous feelings about abortion. There must be times when it is appropriate, but there are also times when women are simply seeking to avoid the consequences of their own stupid behavior.<br /><br />LF said something like, "When you dance, you gotta pay the fiddler." My problem with that is that too often it is an unwanted, unloved child of an irresponsible wretch who pays the fiddler.

 

[rodbolt]

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I tend to agree with ya JB. I also think its between the mother,the father, their Doctor and their religion. I dont have to like it to respect it, I also dont believe in late term abortions for convenience.<br /> but I wont step in with a law and try to tell others what to do at a 2 month stage. its none of my or my govts biddness.<br /> I saw a case sometime back where child protective services had charged a pregnant mom with child abuse cause she smoked when pregnant.<br /> that was an interesting case but I was transfered before the outcome so I dont know what happened.

 

[ebbtide176]

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man, pointer made my jaw drop, because that pretty much sums up all i've ever experienced on this conversation. and i've been deeply involved on this subject before. it will never leave my psyche. <br /><br />i really apreciate the heartfelt opinions. i can truly see both sides. i think most anyone can be given the tearjerker side and the moral side, and really understand. i don't think most of these types of debates can only be discussed by someone who's been-there-done-that. it only requires some 'critical thinking' as someone here likes to mention.<br /><br />i now have no hard/fast rule, still. i would probably want to abort a rape victim's baby if it were in my family, and take up the matter with my religion, but i would accept no late-term abortions. killing by law is different than a personal vendetta.<br /><br />no abortions at all would be more acceptable to me, since i know there are many couples wanting babies here in america. i don't believe abortion is an option, personally.<br /><br />but then again, i think population control is as important as environment control for the world in general. just not after the fact.<br /><br />that is only concerning humans. i still don't have a problem eating eggs for breakfast...

 

[Haut Medoc]

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LF, while I disagree with you, I thank you for sharing your thoughts/feelings/insight with the forum in a clear, rational & concise manner.....BTW, I think your graemlins are very cool...JK

 

[Skinnywater]

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As I understand it, it would be up to the citizens of an individual State (States rights)to make it legal or illegal..... And.....If it were legal in that State the mother wishing to abort the pregnancy would have to pay for the proceedure or some type of payment for it other than Federally (tax-payer)funded on demand.

 

[jtexas]

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"Abortion is not a medical procedure." Not all abortions are medical procedures. Illegal abortions performed by unlicensed hacks, and those performed by the patient. Or sometimes it's a sponaeously occuring medical event, I'd be willing to bet some of us have experienced that. But the legal procedure commonly referred to as abortion is most certainly a medical procedure.<br /><br />It's also a horrible terrible thing which ought never to happen. We should put as much time & energy into preventing the need for abortion as we do arguing over it's legality.<br /><br />I don't think it ought to be an option except in extreme cases. There are some situations where I am just not willing to compel an innocent person to bear a child. But that's just my own personal opinion.<br /><br />Question for discussion: If we (as a nation) outlaw abortion, are we willing (as a nation) to care (unconditionally) for children whose parents can't or won't?

 

[Boomyal]

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Originally posted by J.kopec:<br /> I do not condone abortion for use as a contraceptive, however I do see it as an alternative to bringing yet another unwanted child into the world.....

Boy if that is not a contradiction, I've never heard one.

 

[POINTER94]

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Jtexas,<br /><br />We should put as much time & energy into preventing the need for abortion as we do arguing over it's legality.<br /><br /><br />What exactly could we do more? Free condoms at school, free birth control, sex ed in elementary school, sick perverted school plays, tv ads, radio ads, magazine ads. Is there anyone over the age of 14 that doesn't know how to prevent pregnacy? Maybe we just lost our morals. I wonder what the illegitimacy rate was prior to Roe?<br /><br />The Statistical Abstract of the United States tells the story. From 26.3 percent in 1965, the percentage of out-of-wedlock births to black mothers grew steadily: to 38 percent in 1970, 55 percent in 1980, 67 percent in 1990, and 69 percent in 2000. The white illegitimacy rate also rose dramatically. From a base of 4.0 in 1965, it grew to 6 percent in 1970, almost doubled to 11 percent in 1980, rose to 17 percent in 1990, and in 2000 reached 27 percent, higher than the black illegitimacy rate that concerned Moynihan in 1965. These figures include all social and economic classes. Friends at a pregnancy help center in Cincinnati's black ghetto tell me that the illegitimacy rate in that area is at least 80 percent and may well be above the 90 percent level.<br /><br />The social experiement that is Roe, is a utter and complete failure. It exaserbated every ill it was claimed to solve. Poverty, child abuse, illegitamacy, and the death rate for women (because of backstreet abortions) which they claimed would be reduced never materialized. The rate remained constant. By any measure it is a failure.

 

[ebbtide176]

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