Haut Medoc
Supreme Mariner
- Joined
- Jun 29, 2004
- Messages
- 10,645
Re: What if Roe vs Wade was reversed.....
Pointer, read your post.....Glad you edited...JK
Pointer, read your post.....Glad you edited...JK
<br /><br />I am not sure why it is so difficult to understand that most pro-lifers talk the talk but do not walk the walk. In fact, a lot of the pro-lifers I have experienced subject their children to less than adequate living conditions, and force belief systems on these children instead of letting them develop into their own persons. Nothing breaks my heart more than seeing a small child, clearly miserable, holding a Don't Kill The Baby sign in front of an abortion clinic and having no idea why mommy is making them do this.<br /><br />agitator, I grew up dirt poor, I might have a perspective. For the most part, the people you are talking about are not too worried about whether they have kids or not, they don't care either way. They have better things to spend their money on than contraceptives, like food. If they are latino, they are probably Catholic, which embraces having children galore. <br /><br />It doesn't help that our welfare system only encourages the breeding by giving more money for more kids. I am not sure what the solution for that should be, whether it is cutting off the money after a certain amount of kids, or forced contraception or sterilization (very slippery slope). If it makes you feel better, I am from Long Beach California originally, not very lily white now is it? Now, I do agree that the whole emasculation thing seems to be prevelant in whites, but I think that it is largely because more white women are aggressing in the work place and becoming more successful, whereas not as many non-white women are aggressing in the workplace and getting the high-paying jobs. I do hear you saying that minority men are lazy (waiting for their women to come home from work), which I don't think that is completely true. I know plenty of non-white men that work their butts off.<br /><br />I don't wanna argue anymore, it accomplishes little... <br /><br />By the way Bastiat was a liberal! Search on his name and get some interesting reading.
txs, not "good vs bad" (does anyone really think it's good) so much as "right vs wrong" is at the heart of the matter - laws exist to protect people - therefore the question "when is a person" is the issue. Or, when rights conflict, which is more right. My position, for the record, is that there are a few circumstances where the government should not compel a person to give birth. Such as when conception was non-consenual, or when the life of the mother is at stake. I just can not see myself making the decision for her in those cases. There may be others, I don't know.
I'm no lawyer, but I don't believe it is legal to perform an abortion against the patient's wishes. I guess, since the eagle can't speak for herself, we just assume she wants her eggs left intact. And the nest...I do believe it is illegal to intentionally destroy a person's house.<br /><br />Not trying to be a smart***, just trying to differentiate.
Sounds like the redumblican battle cry!!<br /><br />Enough of my troll. <br />I always thought roe vs wade was an argument in a canoe
<br /><br />I do not personally agree with abortion. I am a man yes, therefore I will never have to make that decision myself. However, I will never be able to make that decision either.<br /><br />What disgusts me about the whole "Pro-Choice" argument is that the female has the same choice as the male, in most cases. That choice is to either use contraceptives or abstain. But in today's self-gratification society, the only thing that matters is "what feels good to me." It is time for America's women to take responsibility for their actions. I suppose I would support abortion in cases of rape, incest of imminent danger to the mother's life, but as a response to irresponsible behavior, I don't think it is appropriate.<br />If a woman becomes pregnant, it is because of relations with a man. Assuming it was consensual, he and she had the same choices beforehand. Afterward the woman has the choice regarding aborting a child the man may dearly want and would gladly raise and cherish without interaction or expectation of the mother. Or she has the choice to keep the child and force the father to pay child support for a child he did not/does not (independent of the child support) want. So here is a child used as a financial weapon against a man. There is a truly lop-sided environment of "choice" here.