What if Roe vs Wade was reversed.....

Haut Medoc · Nov 2, 2005

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I thought I could let this go, but....How about all of you with trampy daughters....Get 'em on the pill? Quite legal you know....How is that for a choice? I really want to say more but I will respect the fact that this is a family forum.....Your little princesess would not become impregnated if they chose to be on the "pill" or abstained....No one, (it seems) has the sense for that option, (parents or children) they would rather say "My little girl wouldn't do that!" Wake up & smell the coffee! She would & does, & most likely before you know about it....Wake up! Please?....JK

Boomyal · Nov 2, 2005

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Originally posted by POINTER94: The social experiement that is Roe, is a utter and complete failure. It exaserbated every ill it was claimed to solve. Poverty, child abuse, illegitamacy, and the death rate for women (because of backstreet abortions) which they claimed would be reduced never materialized. The rate remained constant. By any measure it is a failure.

What do you expect for a no cost, no pain liberal solution to problems. I rest my case your Honor! Don't think the Liberals don't know all of this. That is why they had to coin the phrase 'pro choice'. When one reason does not pan out, think up another slogan. At the sake of sounding like a street corner preacher, it's the Devil I tell you. There is absolutely no other reason why a bunch of otherwise intelligent people subscribe to such hogwash. Even years after their remedies have been proven a farce, they just keep inventing new slogans to support it. It's either the Devils work, or there is simply a vast Left wing conspiracy to tear down the fabric of this nation.!!

ZooMbr · Nov 2, 2005

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'I haven't done anything illegal' That phase allows any woman, include mens contribution, to evade the moral issue. How many laws do we continue to make/pass that allow society to escape the moral, social responsible, question. Government has no right, even if a majority agrees, to make laws on moral issues. For this reason I totally disagree with Roe vs Wade. But, I agree a person has the right to choose for themselves. Just accept that as a Christen (as I am) you may have an issue of great consequences to deal with later. If you profess no Faith or belief in God; no problem; and, I would disagree. But, allow you the right to decide for yourself. We claim that Corps and CEO's owe society or some other phase when they too just reply 'I haven't done anything illegal' when due to the protection of the law they avoid the moral issue of their actions.

Boomyal · Nov 2, 2005

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Originally posted by JB: 2. Most of the dispute centers on the question of what is a life? Some believe that life begins with conception. Others believe that life begins with conscious experience of life, but nobody knows when the conscious experience begins, in spite of "my truth is the only truth" shrieking.

It's a real shame JB that you have reached the venerable age of 70 and still cannot understand when life begins. Me thinks that for some personal reason you are just living in denial. Conservative in so many respects, to believe the Liberal drivel that life begins at the age of 'conciousness' shows a callous disregard for the spark of life that the hand of God Almighty has wrought.

POINTER94 · Nov 2, 2005

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Have to let this go, it will lead nowhere and trying to convince someone who has their own set of beliefs are unlikely to change based on a written opinion. Only when the issue impacts them directly will they perhaps reevaluate their position. Or science proves (and is allowed to publish and support their facts without being shouted down)beyond the ability to refute, the actual beginning of life.

jtexas · Nov 2, 2005

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Originally posted by POINTER94: Jtexas, We should put as much time & energy into preventing the need for abortion as we do arguing over it's legality. What exactly could we do more?

yeah I know, easy for me to say, when I don't know what to do...but, I believe there are pregnancies that occur because the parents didn't know it would happen. And some that occur because the mom's just don't grasp what a monumental event it is. And some that occur because it's cool, or fashionable. For all those, there's gotta be some kind of education that could help. And to say "it's the parents job to educate" is really a cop-out, because so many parents are losers who just plain won't, or can't, and if we (as a nation under God) don't, it won't happen. See what I mean? I don't really know how to make it happen. Other thing is...we (as a nation under God) ought to be less accepting of abortion. There doesn't seem to be much of a social stigma attached to it anymore. Yes, I'm serious! I think it is too PC. anyway those are just my own personal thoughts on the matter. But let me pose this question again for discussion: If we (as a nation) outlaw abortion, are we willing (as a nation) to care (unconditionally) for children whose parents can't or won't?

Haut Medoc · Nov 2, 2005

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Wakey wakey..The pill is an alternative....Technology is an alternative..Thanks JB for your moderation. I would go super nova on the displayed ignorance, but for your grace...Thanks for your insight..JK

roscoe · Nov 2, 2005

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Nothing "clear" about it JB, its just your opinion. And when I read your "#1", I thought I was going to agree with you, but then can your beliefs and opinions, which put you in with the guys you were stying to "straighten out."

mattttt25 · Nov 2, 2005

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i find it funny how those against abortion always bring up the argument of being a man, take responsibility, suck it up. it brings visions of the rich, high school senior, star quarterback who knocks up his sweetheart. yeah, he should be a man and do what is right. support mom and the baby. maybe dad will still pay for college. instead, i see the girl living in south east DC, who made a mistake one night and is now pregnant. the father isn't in school, sells drugs, heck... she doesn't even know how to get in touch with him. that's the scenario i see when you talk about abortion. that 16 yr old girl will be dropping out of school next year and will not graduate. she will hopefully do her best to take care of the baby, but with no eduaction and no money, she'll turn to welfare just to feed the child. the child will grow up with no dad, in the same community that her mom did. will face the same problems, the same issues, and chances are end up in the same boat. but... maybe she terminates the pregnancy early. she stays in school, graduates, and one day lives in north west DC instead. abortion is as much a social issue as it is a privacy and life issue. i don't question when life starts, because at that stage, i don't think it matters or is relevant. we don't know the answer, so i don't dwell on it. i don't support late term abortions because the child could survive on it's own, and the mother could suffer serious problems. but i fully support a mother's right to abort early in pregnancy. it's better than the alternative.

POINTER94 · Nov 2, 2005

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FYI, As we continue to recycle water, the hormones in the pill are carried into our water system and cannot be filtered out. The effect is making sterile those women who want to have children. Therefore eliminating their "choice".

JB · Nov 3, 2005

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"Understand", Boomer? Is to "understand" to agree with someone else's opinion? At some point in development a brain begins to function independently and operate the organism. At some other point conciousness begins and there is a spirit, a soul. When does that happen? Do you "understand"? Do you believe that without a soul there is human life? I "understand" what you believe. I don't think you "understand" what I believe.

LadyFish · Nov 3, 2005

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I believe GROWTH is life. From the moment the sperm and egg unite, growth takes place. Were it otherwise, the human race would've come to a screeching halt thousands (millions?) of years ago. A human sperm (cell) joining a human egg (cell) creates human life -- they (sperm & egg) are both human cells, and they are both living, but they do not create human life until they join. A human sperm left to its own design will not grow into a more developed human, neither will an egg -- the uniting of the two, however, left in the uterous as prescribed by the process of reproduction will. A fetus is a human life because once concepted, the cells of the zygote contain the 46 chromosones that make up human DNA. the cells are multiplying, hence a life is created. Some say conciousness is the key, but then what about people in comas? I think this is a very complicated moral issue, with tons of room for differing opinions and shades of grey. There are extremely strong opposing sides of this issue and due to moral, religious, or first hand experience with abortion. Its easy to see how even the best of friends can become divided over it. Suffice it to say that each of us has a right to our own opinion and belief and feel very strongly about it. Its not likely that someone else, no matter what their argument will change our minds.

LadyFish · Nov 3, 2005

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I respect everyone's right to their own opinion and I don't condemn, nor do I think less of anyone who dosen't feel the same way I do.

JB · Nov 3, 2005

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I am not divided, LF.

I understand and respect your views on the subject. That I have differing views does not make either of us wrong or right. Still buddies?

Haut Medoc · Nov 3, 2005

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Pointer94, then tell the women over there to stop drinking out of the toilet .....JK

DJ · Nov 3, 2005

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matttt, It takes two to tango. The MAN should suck it up and take responsibility. even though he may not. The ONLY thing that sets us apart from animals is our ability to reason. The scenario you make is a good example. Yet there are THOUSANDS of people out there willing to adopt a child. That is an option not utilized, in our society, for too many. The legal wrangling is ridiculous. JB, I agree that Roe V. Wade is NOT law. However, our "civics deprived" society thinks it is. The abortion advocates use that ignorance as a tool to promote their agenda. For what reason? I can only come up with one-selfishness. All, Why we engage in a discussions about when life begins or ends, is MADNESS. We have "cheapened" human life to the point of absurdity. Without a healthy respect for human life, we will fall as a society, to the same destruction that EVERY society in history has endured-destruction. Moral bankruptcy is the beginning of the end. If we want to "eat our own", so to speak, we are doomed. I respect everyones opinion-also. I DO NOT have to agree with it. I have STANDARDS that I will NOT deviate from. When society does fail, my enemies will know exactly what I will and will not do. I cannot say the same for them. THe carnage will be of Biblical proportions. Of which, I expect and am willing to die for. My major point is that the US society has become so feminized that males have no, or little say, in anything. Why? We've relinquished the marriage standard that supported society for THOUSANDS of years. My wife and I are a team. Just because it's an old standard, doesn't make it BAD. We're deep into "CONVENIENCE" over reality. That's my OPINION. Old fashioned, as it is.

JasonJ · Nov 3, 2005

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Can't say that I see a lot of wealthy do-gooders rushing out there to adopt all those little babies born to non-white teenage mothers. All I ever see is the continued hypocrasy from the shrieking pro-lifers who don't even come close to practicing what they preach. Unless any of you have 4 adopted kids, each of which are a different race and came from young poor mothers who chose to adopt out rather than abort, or plan on participating in this great adopt-a-thon, you might want to re-think how loudly you screach your beliefs. Yeah, there are plenty of people looking to adopt. Looking to adopt healthy Caucasian babies, not heroin addicted black babies. Me, I don't particularly like the thought of abortion, but I still will always believe it is up to the mother, not the government. And yes DJ, you are right. The emasculation of the American Male is a dreadful thing. We have been told that we are no longer needed, that two women can raise a child as well as a man and a woman, despite the fact that children need both a male and female positive role model in their lives if they want to have a chance of developing without problems. I still believe that, if financially possible, one parent should stay home while the other works. If both have to work, they should not have children until they can provide a stable environment. Which brings to mind my other issue, which is the irrational non-stop breeding we are doing in this country. We screach about abortions, but why is nothing being said about the countless people who breed and breed and breed, most of which are in the lower income and intellectual brackets (IE, Stupid People Breed). That news story about the couple who pushed out 16 kids and said it was a "blessing" and want more. Its a drain on future resources, but who cares, we have to live for the now, not the future.

snapperbait · Nov 3, 2005

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Haut Medoc · Nov 3, 2005

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^ Well said, Jason....JK

QC · Nov 3, 2005

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Good post Jason. I know that this issue will continue to stagnate, the whole conutry is divided which will keep it the way it is. My .02

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