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KennyKenCan

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Right On oddjob!<br /><br />I think you are correct.<br /><br />I know, I am sick and tired of immorality being rammed down my throat, all in the name of profits and ratings.<br /><br />And I will continue to stand firm on this issue!<br /><br />Kenny
 

mattttt25

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the original post dealt with religion, but this thread has gone a different way due to some individuals. so let's take religion out of. i'll also preface my comments with the fact that i'm not gay and don't understand the lifestyle.<br /><br />kenny, hate to say it pal, but until we rid the earth of people like you, racism, terrorism, and hatred will live on forever. your views represent what fuels these faults in our society. some people hate blacks, whites, tans, or yellows. none of them have any good reason, just plain hatred. this hatred leads to crime and injustice. the current terror our country faces comes from the same hatred. people who don't understand or believe in the united states' way of life, for no reason at all, and want to hurt it at any cost. and the hatred some poeple have towards gays, bred from the same unexplainable beliefs. it's all the same.<br /><br />your inability to accept all types of people, and your inability to simply turn away secures your bottom position in the evolutionary food chain. my recommendation to you... well, i won't make any because i know i won't change your beliefs. i just hope you pass on before you have time to pass your hatred onto others.
 

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The only concern that I have toward the gay lifestyle is the fact that I am a father of two fine children whom I am very proud and protective of.Just human nature.If you are a parent then you understand.The one statistic that I have heard voiced from several sources as to the gay lifestyle is the disproportional numbers of gay males verses heterosexual males ,to have a perpensity of pedophilic tendancies.I don't profess to know what would cause this behavior other than perhaps younger individulals serving as easy prey for the gay male to experiment with his sexuality.It is primarily for this reason that I have a problem with the gay lifestyle.That coupled with the possibilty of these lifestyles transmitting viruses ,that by nature seem to find ways of mutating,and potentially affect others who don't partake in the gay lifestyle ,is what motivates my particular case of non-acceptance of the sexual preference issue.While I understand that "some" gay idividuals have a genetic predisposition that causes them to develop the sexual desires that they possess ,I also feel that many others simply follow a social trend and are misguided by their own insecurities.<br /><br />There is no cut and dry solution in dealing with the selective process of nature,however promoting what is clearly a small percentage of the norm is also not the answer IMO.I also do not endorse the killing or injuring of gays,however the word "bashing" is misused if it refers to an individual who does not accept the social promotion of the lifestyle.The small genetically predisposed percentage of male gays in my understanding,simply can't change who they are.Therefore ,IMO ,some of them do in fact pose a threat to others,particularly young unwary,influential,and naive juveniles.It's that simple. <br /><br />Edit:Here's something to read that may be of interest.I did an online search after I typed my post.<br /> http://www.lifesite.net/interim/2002/sept/02study.html
 

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Mattttt, so what your saying is that the United States way of life includes homosexual behavior?<br /><br />NOT my vision for the United States way of life.<br />People like you will be the downfall of this great country.........you are the problem.<br /><br />You say our hatred comes from unexplainable beliefs?! Its not unexplainable, listen real close, men mate with women, thats the way our bodys are made......period. As I said in my previous post, "Even animals can figure this out". If you desire the same sex, then you have some sort of disease that needs to be treated.<br /><br />If you promote this behavior, then I rank you right up there with the people that are directly involved with this behavior.<br /><br />Your ability to accept all kinds of people, (especially immoral people such as homosexuals), will continue to secure YOUR place at the bottom of the evolutionary food chain. <br />I accept many different kind of people, but not all. Homosexuality is not acceptable behavior, and will never be accepted by me.<br /><br />btw, telling Kenny you hope he "passes on" before he has time to pass on his hatred to others, is pretty classless. About what could be expected though.
 

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Yea carpy, I thought that last statement would have been stricken by now.<br /><br />That's getting pretty low.<br /><br />But I live far enough away from everyone so I can BOMB THEM and don't have to worry about any stray smart bombs getting to me. :D
 

KennyKenCan

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So mattttt25,<br /><br />What you are saying then, that it would be OK for Saddam Husain and Usama bin Laden to move to your hometown, without any ramifications?<br /><br />Its the same!<br /><br />Before 1980, it was a crime to engage in homosexual activities, but the bleeding heart gay librals petitioned our government to strike these laws from the books based on some hyped-up Constitutional Ammendment!<br /><br />Now, homosexuality is being beamed into our schools without any regulation, and infecting the youth of America, just because a small minority of the population wish to make their way, our way!<br /><br />So, I'm going to petition the government to allow Usama and Saddam to move to your hometown, where they will be allowed to do whatever they want in their bedroom!<br /><br />Like build terrorist networks and bombs!<br /><br />Lets see how you like that!<br /><br />Its the same!<br /><br />Kenny
 

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My wifes sister moved from California to Texas<br />4 or 5 years ago because her youngest children<br />were being taught in the school system there that<br />it was normal behavior for little boys to have<br />sex with other little boys and that those kind of<br />feelings were natural. I was astonished that they<br />would promote that type of mentality in a <br />elementary school. She moved to try to get away <br />from it. Sadly I think that type of thinking is<br />being forced on our children most everywhere now.
 

KennyKenCan

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Hey NOSLEEP,<br /><br />That is why home schooling is gaining in popularity!<br /><br />Kenny
 

gaugeguy

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Hey Kenny, I just read in another post you thought Queen was the best band of all time. Freddy Mercury was a rumpranger, how come you can tolerate them?
 

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MW- wvit has a right to post his opinion but I am a troll? I know you are but what am I? :) Oh, it takes one to know one :D I'm rubber, you're glue.......<br /><br />My post here comes from my outrage at this book, it's author and the fact that he teaches at a seminary. Christians can be outraged. Jesus was when he overturned the tables of the money changers and dove salesmen. He wasn't overjoyed when he said to his own beloved "get thee behind Satan." The fact that such a topic, in and of it's self brings out strong emotional responce from people is not a logical idictment of the topic; but a commentary on human nature. Liberals, in thier unfathomable enlightenment, are noticeably the first to crucify those who vioce thier honest feelings regarding this and other provocative topics, and to resort to calling me names. Bravo! No one here is perfect, we are human, repleat with all the human frailties such as misplaced love and misplaced hate. Sure it would great if we could have this discussion as the diverse community that we make up together without resorting to strong prevocative language and name calling, but then, to do that we would have to have attained the level of godlike perfection that is withheld from us until we take our places in His kingdom.<br /><br />This thread should, in a perfect world, begin and end with opinion and perspective on the cogent aspects of the book and it's author. Fact and fiction regarding the existance of gays/lesbians in our society is another story and another thread all together. <br /><br />Linking the feelings people have regarding a topic of discussion to crime is also flawed. Looking at crime statistics, criminal behavior in general is not spawned by hate. Sure there is crime directed at gays/lesbians due to thier sexual orientation, but that is a very, VERY small percentage of crime in the US. I'm not saying that such crime is less sinifcant on it's face than murder, rape, burglery, DUI etc. It is certainly more tragic than, say....some guys growing a patch of marijuana, but lets keep things in perspective, no one is going to read this thread and go commit a crime against a gay person. <br /><br />It is not clearly substantiated how one persons feelings are the causitive factor in another person's criminal behavior. I see no one here engaged such activities as inciting riots or using this forum as an arena to gather like minded individuals together in an effort to form a subversive group such as the Arian Brotherhood, Black Panthers, Democratic National Commitee, Etc...<br /><br />When I found out about this book, I did some research about the content of the book, the author, his agenda etc., and I was (justifiably in my own opinion) outraged. <br /><br />This is about the undermining and humiliating attacks on Christianity, and the fact that there is no champion in the media for Christianity. There is an onslaught raging against God, Jesus and the Bible; not to mention those of us who study the Word and love our God. Those of us who work hard for our Lord and work hard for those who do not yet know Him are under attack and there are NO voices out there speaking up for us; because to do so would be non-inclusive and show lack of tolerance for those who are eroding the moral fabric of my beloved America, and the Jesus that died for my sins. This may make me a bad Christian, a bad person and a bad American, but I strongly disagree with the homosexual perversity that is infecting Christian doctrine (I welcome homosexuals in my church, my bible studies in my home etc.) This is about homosexuals CHANGING the basic doctrine of my Savior to suit themselves, and doing it within mainstream established Christian institutionalized churches. They are institutionalizing thier perversity into the Christian religion. I will no more stand for that than I would segregated schools, or government subsidised mass muder of unborn children (I couldn't help it, had to stick a troll in here somewhere for my good friends MW and PW :D ) <br /><br />For those who say that because Jesus didn't directly address the issue of homosexuality as a means of supporting thier blasphemous opinions, I offer the following: There are a lot of things Jesus is not recorded as saying during His short three year ministry. He did not restate mosaic law in it's entirety. In the three years He worked to establish the new doctrine of salvation by faith in His grace, train ministers, prove His own diety, and construct the foundation of a new religion which would survive repeated attempts at it's destruction while growing and thriving for another two thousand years, he did not restate God's stance on whether homosexuality is sin. He did however speak on topics where the new doctrine was not the same as mosaic law, ie divorce.
 

wvit100

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OB - Did you bother to look at the fundamentalist news organization that your article came from? You can't put much stock in places like that. That's like saying that Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell speaks for all Christians.
 

KennyKenCan

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Hey gaugeguy,<br /><br />You have a point there, but...<br /><br />1)Freddie Murcury never ever tryed to push his gay ideology on everyone, as a matter of fact, he prodominetly stayed in the closet! Never once did he ever make a statement that he was gay, and he was married with children.<br /><br />2)I can't deny that he quite possibly had the best voice ever, although Brian May can sing just as well and sang more of the lyrics than most people know.<br /><br />3)Didn't know for sure he was gay until after his death, and thats debateable because of the fact, that he was gay has never been proven. There are heterosexuals who have died of HIV too.<br /><br />Kenny
 

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SW, thank you for that post you are right on.......epessally with
I know you are but what am I? Oh, it takes one to know one I'm rubber, you're glue.......
ok seriously you are right on with this quote.<br />
This is about the undermining and humiliating attacks on Christianity, and the fact that there is no champion in the media for Christianity. There is an onslaught raging against God, Jesus and the Bible; not to mention those of us who study the Word and love our God. Those of us who work hard for our Lord and work hard for those who do not yet know Him are under attack and there are NO voices out there speaking up for us; because to do so would be non-inclusive and show lack of tolerance for those who are eroding the moral fabric of my beloved America, and the Jesus that died for my sins.
I think if people were a bit more conservitive on the words they use their opinions would be takin in a much more receivable way. To me it is sick to be Homosexual but no more than being violent or a thief or cruel. Fact of the matter is God loves them as much as he loves the pope but understand he does hate there actions. What this guy wrote in his book he will answer for someday and I would love to be there to hear it(I very well could be)anyways in Gods eyes Hate is as bad as homosexuality so come on guys ...." Love the sinner hate the sin "
 

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:rolleyes: <br />SW, let me explain... u r not a troll, this topic<br />is a troll. your need to take a public stand on<br />certain controversial issues only forces people<br />to take sides. we have enough in this world that <br />divides us IMHO. why u always gotta add to it?<br />wouldn't it be more productive to discuss things<br />we have in common?
 

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Wvit100,Yes as a matter of fact I did.It was one of about 50 articles that made the same correlation.And if you've ever taken the time to listen to the gist of what Pat Roberts stands for , he actually does speak for many Christians or had you not bothered to notice.Are you implying by your method of asking in a condescending tone that it's possible that a disproportionate number of gay males don't engage in activities with younger male juveniles?
 

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I am not a big fan of the "alternative lifestyles" being pushed down my throat either. To each his own, but keep it in the closet, I don't want to know about it. When "Que3r eye for a straight guy" came out, I thought of a better title for them..."Black eye for the que3r guy".
 

wvit100

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Biblical versus can be used to justify just about anything anyone wants.<br /><br />The words "homosexual" and "homosexuality" are not found in the original Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek texts. These words date from the late 19th century. The authors of the Bible did not understand sexual orientation and thus did not write about it. Biblical authors had little or no understanding of same-sex committed relationships. Their languages had no words for these concepts. Rather, they assumed that everyone was heterosexual, but that some heterosexuals engaged in sex with persons of the same gender. Thus, when you see one of these words in an English translation of the Bible, it is important to dig deeper and find what the original Hebrew or Greek text really means. <br /><br />Many conservative Christians trust the KJV and NIV. Thus, when they read some of the passages that clearly and unmistakably condemn homosexuality, they are inclined to trust the translators and conclude that God hates homosexuality. Unfortunately, many groups of translators have been heavily biased against certain groups, including Witches, gays and lesbians; many have tended to warp their translations accordingly.<br /><br />Modern society rejects many of Paul's beliefs. One of these beliefs was that homosexuality is beyond the normal -- particularly when Paul's support for the oppression of women (1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35), and his acceptance of slavery as a normal social practice in (Philemon 1:15 to 16) are considered. They might feel that his passages in 1 Romans should be rejected as immoral and outside the will of God, much as other biblical passages are worthless and should be ignored -- including those which recognized slavery, required some hookers to be burned alive, advocated genocide, recognized the torture of prisoners, and required the execution of non-virgin brides.
 

ob

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Wvit100,It seems that indeed people do use bible interpretations to justify their beliefs.Even you. ;) I'll leave it to God to have mercy on the souls.
 
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