What the....?

SoulWinner

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I'm sorry Mellow, I didn't think that I was "adding" to it. I thought the author of the book added plenty to it. By adding to it, I would have had to put to the words in the mouths of those who expressed hate here. I may have "propagated" it by posting something that (once again) people have strong feelings about, but that is what serious discussion is made of. As I stated, I wish "We" as a "diverse community" could share our views on subjects like this without being hateful to eachother or the misguided, soul damning, bible perverting man who wrote the book. I may be outraged by this, but I don't "hate" him. <br /><br />The human frailty that is exhibited in this forum is just that. To a third party looking in with no opinion on anything, you and I must look very silly for so strongly debating our differing points of view. Does that make us silly for doing so? NO. I have taken away something worth learning from each occasion that we have crossed swords. Don't tell anyone, but I actually appreciate you for your views and the fact that you have the integrity to speak them and defend them vigorously. That is the spirit that this country was founded on, and I like to see it still thriving today, no matter what side of the political fence you are on. At the end of the day we are still Americans and could concievably end up side by side one day defending each other and this great country. <br /><br />If the subject of this post alerted someone to a new attack on Christianity, or was brought up in a bible study, or was brought to the attention of a preacher; thats good. Just like worms in the Democratic party, Republican party, local police department, etc. need to be exposed and known for what they are, This affront to all who have Christ to thank for thier eternal salvation needs to be known to them, just as Watergate needed to be known to all Americans.
 

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Ok Wvit you stating that some biblical verses should be considered wrong or not followed irks me to no end. The bible does say in more than one different transcription, And I have 3 here with me that it is wrong and an abonintion in Gods eyes for a man to lie with onother man as a man lies with a women. So because the word homosexual is not in the bible, it cant be speaking about them? is that what your saing...The bible says also to not add too nor take away from the word that means to me what your saying is horse pucky.......sorry my Pastor and mentor is fluent in hebrew and greek and has done word studies with us and you are wrong if you dont believe that God is disgusted by gay behavior, as wrong as this idoit who says he is a minister preaching that Jesus was gay.
 

wvit100

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The bible says a lot of things that people take to mean what they want them to mean. Jesus' message was one of love, not exclusion or hate.
 

wvit100

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OB - Are you saying that we should take all the versus of the bible literally or exactly what are you saying? You think we should keep slaves still? Maybe kill off a few non virgin brides? What are you saying?
 

ob

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Wvit,With all due respect,we as people have obligations to live up to if we are to be forgiven and recieved.You need to brush up on your religion a bit.And please,for the love of discussion don't twist and skew what was said and attempt to put words in my mouth when things don't seem to be going your way.I said no such thing.That's what you said.I would tell you 'nice try though' but I would be doing you a dis-service.
 

KennyKenCan

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Hey everyone,<br /><br />I have made my point of view heard here and there is no sense in continueing the argument any further for myself.<br /><br />No one is going to change my mind on this issue, I will take it to the grave with me, nor will I ever tolorate homosexual behavior.<br /><br />On that note, you'all have a nice weekend and lets catch some fish!<br /><br />Kenny
 

mikeandronda

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You are right Wvit, but it does not say to accept all behaviors as them being ok. I have been taught not to judge people, but in this context we are to judge actions. If you do drugs there are problems you have. If you are violent there are problems you have. If you steal there are problems you will have. If you are Gay there are problems you will have.......We reap what we sow. God loves us all and he knows that these things will come back and hurt us so he tells us in the bible do not do these things so his children( you and I) can hopfully not make mistkes. It is no small wonder that Gays have a high sucide rate(sad), and violence done against them(even sader) and even diseases that primaraly effect them(the saddest) they are turning away from salvation and living their lives so they can continue to live as a sinner. Nobody should hate anouther human for something that doesnt effect them( i need to think on th al-qida thing though) I have a daughter, for me to say I hate hetrosexuals because they are the ones who would prey on her is no different from what others have said about gays doing that to their sons, it just doesnt add up. I agree with SW about this forum, it has opened my eyes many times now and I welcome debate for that reason I just wish that personal attacks would not be thrown around like they are.<br /><br />
OB - Are you saying that we should take all the versus of the bible literally or exactly what are you saying? You think we should keep slaves still? Maybe kill off a few non virgin brides? What are you saying?
You need to understand these things were from a differnt time and different people....taken out of context they look crazy but then they made sense. I do not believe anybody should read the bible and just say thats the way it is. It needs to be studied and applied to today. It is a book that is 1000s of years old and must be prayerfully read and studied. Something I do know though if something is both brought up in old and new testiments it is something God feels is importiant.
 

mellowyellow

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SW:<br />"I wish "We" as a "diverse community" could share our views on subjects like this without being hateful to eachother"<br /><br />MY:<br />me 2 brother!<br /><br />what does this and most previous posts accomplish?<br />union or division? seems as it certainly divides<br />and angers people to me. there is a better way IMO.<br /><br />can I get a witness?
 

mikeandronda

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Your right on MY<br />to debate is healthy but to attack will devide us.<br />I have much respect for many people on here that do not share my veiws and have on occation wanted to slap(figurativly) some who have the same veiws. No doubt ive needed a slap here and there.
 

ob

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Ditto on the mutual respect,however when someone implicates me as a slave holder or non-virgin bride killer completely out of context,it tends to make me not feel so apologetic.What can I say.
 

SoulWinner

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Yes Mellow, I'll give witness to that. How about this, let's you and I begin setting a better example. I appreciate you and thank you for the spiritied debate that we have shared. From this point forward, I will treat you and the ideals that you espouse with the utmost of respect. Lets make it mutual. Peace to you brother, and to you as well PW.
 

vidar

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homosexualety cant be normal.....then it wount be a singel human on face of earth...coud this be so hard to understand???????? :confused: :confused:
 

mellowyellow

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agree with u M&R totally...<br />and thanks for your early post in this thread.<br />is this a sin? yep.<br />is one sin worse than the other? nope.<br /><br />"he who is without sin cast the first stone"
 

mellowyellow

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SW, is easy to give advice to others...<br />much harder to live by it.<br />while your intentions may be good, your results<br />are abhorrible.<br />how about:<br />"all this you can do and more!"<br />JC
 

SoulWinner

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A word on God and the term "Hate" does God Hate?<br /><br />God hates <br />(Psalm 5:5) - "The boastful shall not stand before Thine eyes; Thou dost hate all who do iniquity." <br />(Psalm 11:5) - "The Lord tests the righteous and the wicked, And the one who loves violence His soul hates." <br />(Proverbs 6:16-19) - "There are six things which the Lord hates, yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: 17Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that run rapidly to evil, 19A false witness who utters lies, and one who spreads strife among brothers." <br />(Hosea 9:15) - "All their evil is at Gilgal; indeed, I came to hate them there! Because of the wickedness of their deeds I will drive them out of My house! I will love them no more; All their princes are rebels." <br /><br />Does this mean we should hate anyone? What was the final Commandment?( you know, the last commandment Jesus gave his desciples) To love one another. Re., my post titles "I love you all" Call me crazy, but when it come to the Word, I really do believe all that stuff! :) Sometimes it is real hard to love people, they make it so dang hard :D
 

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"Sometimes it is real hard to love people, they make it so dang hard"<br />he was a very special man...
 

Carphunter

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I can honestly say that I don't love any of you guys.<br /> :D
 

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Kenny..<br />The man who pays an ounce<br />of principle for a pound of <br />popularity gets badly cheated.
 
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