100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

[CATransplant]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Lubedude,<br /><br />You spell just fine. Mercmaster doesn't, nor does he use grammar clearly enough that you can understand exactly what he's saying.<br /><br />You agreed with my statement about following the manufacturer's specs. That's about the only safe advice that can be given with regard to lubrication for any outboard under warranty. Anything else is irresponsible.<br /><br />For all I know, Amsoil is just fine. I don't use it. I use normal TC-W3 outboard oil, at the ratio recommended by the manufacturer of my outboard. I wouldn't discourage anyone from using Amsoil, unless their use of it would void the warranty on their outboard. Then, I'd advise strongly against it.<br /><br />Bottom line here is that we have no idea who this "Mercmaster" person is. He makes several incorrect statements. Why should anyone listen to him? Why should anyone listen to anyone who quotes him?<br /><br />He's certainly not speaking officially for Mercury. He's not speaking officially for Amsoil. So what the heck weight does anything he say have?<br /><br />Fortunately, every time one of these threads starts up, enough people pop in and advise that people not start running Amsoil at 100:1 in their outboard, especially if it's under warranty. Someone also has to always say not to use it in outboards designed for 24:1 mixtures.<br /><br />Amsoil products are probably just fine, but the advice that some Amsoil advocates give is not just fine.

 

[timmathis]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Catransplant, FYI MercMaster is a Master Marine mechanic That works for Mercury marine And is a member of mercury marine race team he has been with mercury 36+ years. And as for the typo's Every body does that every once in a while.<br />Also I recommend The redline oil. It is rated TC-W3. After some research The Amsoil is not TC-W3 rated but I feel sure is as good as most TC-W3 rated oil out there. And I'm sure if A Master Johnson marine mechanic gave you some info. You would pass it on also. I did make a mistake when i said all, When I should have said most. Nobody is perfect

 

[ZmOz]

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Originally posted by CATransplant:<br /> Amsoil products are probably just fine, but the advice that some Amsoil advocates give is not just fine.

This is the problem with Amsoil. Their products are great, their sales and marketing could not be worse. Most of the dealers are just like used car salesmen...and they make their comission the same way. (by selling you something you don't really want) I use Amsoil whenever I want to use synthetic...but only based on my own knowledge and experience, not what some dealer or "mechanic" tell me. I've heard some of the worst advice I've ever heard from people who claim to be mechanics...

 

[Terry H]

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This Amzoil "commercial" started in the cellar and just got worse. I don't know why I even read this thread. I know you guys can do better. Chief

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by ZmOz:<br />[QB Why would you pay 5 times more for an oil that isn't any better? [/QB]

What have you been smokin OZ? The regular price of the 100:1 Saber outboard oil is $2.00 per application if you by a case of quart bottles plus shipping. If you sign up as a prefered customer, its even less than that.<br /><br />As far as me running the 100:1 at about 80:1, I did it because the engine I ran it in had a bazzillion hours on it when I got it, (Around a 77 Evenrude 85 HP. Plus I ran it WOT everywhere I went at 5,800-6,000, there was no in between back then. I fished with that boat for two years and fished nearly every weekend in tournaments. Never had even a hickup with that engine.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by Chief 101:<br />[QBI don't know why I even read this thread. [/QB]

Because you are an oil junky just like the rest of us.

 

[CATransplant]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Tim,<br /><br />Sorry, but I see no evidence that this "Mercmaster" person is in any way associated with Mercury. His statement that Mercury once put Amsoil in their Racing Oil needs to be supported with something other than the words of someone who "says" he is a "Master Marine mechanic." That means nothing to me. I don't know his name and have no way to check that information.<br /><br />My point in this thread was that you posted something that was simply untrue. It is NOT OK to run that Amsoil stuff at 100:1 in any outboard. You said it, based on something you misread from someone who claims to be a Master something. Not good enough. <br /><br />Amsoil's multi-level-marketing strategy makes me suspicious of the company. Period. I don't buy any Amway products because of their MLM marketing. I don't buy any Amsoil products for the same reason. I don't like the fact that their products don't carry the industry standard ratings. Why do they not, when the cheapest oil from Walmart does? <br /><br />I don't know if you're an Amsoil dealer, an Amsoil Master Dealer, or just an Amsoil user. I do know that you said something that was simply not true in opening this thread. I said that doing so was irresponsible, and I'll stick to that, thanks.<br /><br />You let me know when Amsoil submits their pre-mix outboard oil to the requirements for a TC-W3 rating. Then, if it's within a decent price range, compared to other oils, and if I can buy it at my local marine store or other places I buy my outboard oil, I'll consider it.<br /><br />Until then, I'll continue to use TC-W3 rated oil in my trusty old outboard. It's been good enough for 47 years, so I suppose it'll continue to work just fine.<br /><br />You can use whatever you want. But...when you make recommendations that are incorrect, I'll be right here to point that out, along with the others who have done the same.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by ZmOz:<br /> This is the problem with Amsoil. Their products are great, their sales and marketing could not be worse.

Unfortunatly there are the few that make the rest look bad, There should be a class you have to take before you can be more than a prefered customer.<br /><br />Honestly, I cant remember the last oil I sold to someone other than myself. I give a lot more of it away than I have ever sold.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by LubeDude:<br />

Originally posted by ZmOz:<br /> This is the problem with Amsoil. Their products are great, their sales and marketing could not be worse.

Unfortunatly there are the few that make the rest look bad, There should be a class you have to take before you can be more than a prefered customer.<br /><br />I just ran into one at the ramp the other day, He was so full of cr*p, He was telling me all that he could to get me to use Amsoil and I just went along with him for awhile. Then I politly just told him that he needed to get his facts straight and pointed to the Amsoil decals on my boat and told him I had been using it off and on for about 25 years. There is no doubt that they are out there in groves.<br /><br />Honestly, I cant remember the last oil I sold to someone other than myself. I give a lot more of it away than I have ever sold.

 

[ZmOz]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by LubeDude:<br />What have you been smokin OZ? The regular price of the 100:1 Saber outboard oil is $2.00 per application if you by a case of quart bottles plus shipping. If you sign up as a prefered customer, its even less than that.<br />

Amsoil 2 cycle oil is 8 bucks/quart + shipping...or $9.50 locally for me. Havoline non synthetic TCW-3 is $6/gallon. Even if I got free shipping from the Amsoil website it would be more than 5 times as much. No matter who you are or where you get it, it's going to be alot more than regular oil, and not any better at 100:1. I can't think of a single reason why I would pay 5 times more for something the same...anything...oil or not...

 

[CATransplant]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

I'm firmly opposed to buying anything sold by an MLM company. It reminds me of this guy who knocked on my door a couple of weeks ago.<br /><br />He was selling steaks out of a cooler in the back of his pickup truck. "All the best restaurants buy from me," he said. "I have the best beef available anywhere," he said. "Do you know that they put additives on the beef at the supermarket to hide its age?," he asked.<br /><br />I don't buy stolen steaks out of a cooler in the back of some guy's pickup truck. Ever. And I don't buy my motor oil from individuals who are part of an MLM scheme, nor from companies who don't bother to get the industry certifications on their products. It's the same as buying some anonymous steaks out of the back of that guy's truck. Maybe they're great. Could be. But never mind. The steaks I buy from the market are great, too, especially the ones from Byerley's here in the Twin Cities. Why take the chance?<br /><br />Worse, if you're involved with any newsgroups dealing with anything involving internal combustion engines, the spam postings from Amsoil dealers will just about drive you away. No thanks!

 

[Bwalker]

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First of all most race engines use very rich oil ratios in the neighborhood of 20:1 because engines ran like this make more power. Call Hydro-Tec marine and ask em. <br /> Redline racing oil is quite possibly the worst two cycle oil I have ever seen and is in no way suitable for use in a outboard. It not only isnt a tcw3 oil, but it is not even a ashless formulation like tcw3 oils must be. In a nutshell its not formulated for outboard use. Redline also has major issues with corrosion. I ran it for several seasons in bikes and snowmobiles and all of them suffered from some corrosion damage. Carb brass was blackened, crank halfs corroded etc.<br /> I might also add that Redline does not reccomned a 100:1 mix ratio the last tiem I looked at their website

 

[dsrchamp04]

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tim.......you keep so proudly tellin everyone that your buddy is a mercury master mechanic so I would just like to have his certification number and date?? you can talk the talk...now walk the walk. If you want to know what a mercury master certificate looks like just let me know..thanks..nick.

 

[Bwalker]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

""Quote" From MercMaster,Tim: Yes you can use it in everyday use garanteed, but most recently there bottles have been changed to now say they are TCW-3 because so many people had there doubts like you that it effected sales, and the companies that had there oils tested by the Boating Industries Standard Association & Certified (BIA Certified) had too pay a royalty to be able to place that TCW-2 or TCW-3 on there labels to which Amsoil would not do in recent years. "<br /><br />More complete BS. Redline is not BIA/NMMA certified. Go to nmmma.org and look for yourselves.<br /><br />Amsoil being the "first in synthetics" is also BS. there where synthetic oils in the 40's and besides Amsoil doesnt isnt a oil MFG, rrather they are a blender so in relaity they dont produce there own oil. This sort makes being the first impossible.

 

[CATransplant]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Further, racing engines have completely different requirements from recreational engines. Racing engines are set up to run at WOT all the time, generally exceeding the RPMs recommended for recreational use by a large amount.<br /><br />They get torn down and rebuilt frequently. That's what racing is. It has no relevance to recreational use of an engine.<br /><br />Outboards used normally, are run at a wide range of RPMs, from idling for long periods, to some WOT time, and a lot of in-between. <br /><br />Racing oils are wholly unsuitable for recreational use. The outboard racer couldn't care less whether his engine lasts for many years. He only cares if it will hold together long enough to finish the race. Often, it doesn't, to be quite frank.<br /><br />Recreational outboard owners expect long life for their engine, which may get used several times a week, or a few times a year. That's a very different situation than the racing engine faces.<br /><br />There's no comparison.

 

[ZmOz]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by LubeDude:<br />Unfortunatly there are the few that make the rest look bad

I think there's alot more than a few...you're the only Amsoil dealer I've ever come across that doesn't constantly spew BS about it. The only place I will buy mine is from GI Joes or amsoil.com...not some shady dealer.

 

[CATransplant]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

"""Quote" From MercMaster,Tim: Yes you can use it in everyday use garanteed, but most recently there bottles have been changed to now say they are TCW-3 because so many people had there doubts like you that it effected sales"<br />============================<br /><br />Actually, the bottles now say "recommended for use where TC-W3 oils are recommended." Amsoil still has not gotten this certification, and does not say it has. They're labeling the product to pretend that they have. A careful reading makes it clear that they have not.<br /><br />No doubt their failure to get this certification does affect sales. So why don't they just get it? I think I know the answer....

 

[timmathis]

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Catransplant, They haven't made TC-W3 for 47 years. That statement alone tells how much you know about oil. You need to stick with selling houses. Just because most of us here at iboats cant use proper English as you say don't mean a thing when it comes to repair. Most people that are so book smart as you claim you are. Cant wipe their butt without using both hands.

 

[CATransplant]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Back in the early '60s, I used to race two-stroke motorcycles, specifically 50cc road racing bikes.<br /><br />We all used castor oil in those bikes. It worked just fine, as long as you used enough of it, and it smelled wonderful.<br /><br />I also had a Yamaha YDS-2, a 250cc two-stroke twin, for my street bike. Guess what? I didn't use castor oil in that bike. Why not? Because castor oil is nasty stuff. It stinks. It gums up carburetors like nobody's business and, boy, will it carbon up an engine.<br /><br />For the racing bikes, it didn't matter. I did a top end job on those little 50cc Moto Morini engines after every race. After about 100 hours of racing, you'd just throw the things away and start over with another one.<br /><br />I put over 50,000 miles on the Yamaha, though....an amazing number for a 1962 Japanese two-stroke. Never did have the barrels off that engine.<br /><br />Racing oils are for racing.

 

[LubeDude]

Re: 100:1 gas oil mix ( safe for most outboards)If you use the right oil!

Originally posted by ZmOz:<br /> you're the only Amsoil dealer I've ever come across that doesn't constantly spew BS about it.

Thanks OZ, Even I get a bit carried away at times, and I admit it, but if I like a product, I will tell about it. Been wrong before too. It seems to make a difference if you are actually trying to sell someone something or just trying to sell them on the product. Ben Walker brings up some great point also. We need people like Ben to keep people like me in line. Glad it was him that brought up the things he did about Redline 2 cycle oils, They are not up to the task.<br /><br />Its actually unfortunate that Amsoil is a MLM Company. I dont like that part of it either.