1960's 13' MFG carefree Rebuild (complete noob, i know nothing about this!)

Woodonglass

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Re: 1960's 13' MFG carefree Rebuild (complete noob, i know nothing about this!)

Grind to fresh glass with a bit of a taper but don't worry to much bout it on the inside. the outside is gunna be more important.
 

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Re: 1960's 13' MFG carefree Rebuild (complete noob, i know nothing about this!)

This is the second time i have tried laying glass on the inside and yet again AIR BUBBLES TO HELL!!!!! I think its because the resin is 8 months old, the stuff hasnt even tacked up after 2 hours, i think i need to just peel this out and do it all over again. I ordered another gallon of resin and it should be here in a few days. This is very very frustruating! I just want a boat:mad:
 

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Re: 1960's 13' MFG carefree Rebuild (complete noob, i know nothing about this!)

what's your MEKP to resin % and what Resin R U using?? R U using CSM??
 

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1% and 8oz of resin, so 2.5cc of MEKP. The resin is 435 standard layup resin, I layed one piece of csm, then a piece of 1708 and then 2 more pieces of Csm. Thanks for your quick response Woody!
 

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It's prolly not the resin. Could be the MEKP. Let it sett for a couple more hours. If it doesn't get hard peel it off and then try a small patch of CSM with a batch of resin mixed with 1.5% MEKP and see what happens. It should kick in 30 to 45 mins. If that doesn't kick off try 2%. If that doesn't kick then the MEKP is bad.
 

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I did leave the MEKP in my shed all winter through subzero temperatures.... Maybe thats it. Should i not be laying 4 pieces of glass at once? I didnt really think about that till now, it seems 4 pieces of glass would take longer to cure and be more prone to air bubbles. I'll give it more time
 

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Nope you're fine. In fact laying em all at once is optimal. It can be a bit more difficult with the air bubbles etc. but you will get a much stronger layup in the end. But if this thing does not cure, try the next 1.5% on just a small piece of CSM to see if it works. If it Froze solid then It could be Trash. That's NOT a good thing....:facepalm:
 

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I actually got a big gob of resin in my hair, and ITS HARDENING!! So i guess that means the glass should be hardening. :lol:
 

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Nope just means you're "HARD HEADED":D
 

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Re: 1960's 13' MFG carefree Rebuild (complete noob, i know nothing about this!)

On your air bubble problem...even in cold temps you can slow down the "kick" rate by staying on the low end of your MEK-P...
Point 75% to one percent...
The resin will kick, but it will take longer, also, when you lay up several layers of resin and cloth, one over the other, the heat generated by the chemical reaction will cause the resin to "kick" off faster, NOT slower...just don't try glassing below say 60?...this is a good thing when it comes to the bubble problem...using the bubble buster roller can be a double edged sword...with practice and careful use it does what it is supposed to do, otherwise it can and does cause more problems...
I personally prefer to use a chip brush almost exclusively...with a slow kicking resin, it is a matter of patience and perseverance, but you can get a majority of bubbles out...you can even cut the hairs on the chip brush to about half their length to make it a bit stiffer...and when you use it to lay the glass down and bust the offending bubbles, go slow and methodical...don't try to press too hard...lots of short light jabs are better than ham fisted stabs...make sure you get the majority of the bubbles in your first lay up before continuing on to the next one...the more layers over the trapped bubbles, the harder they will be to eliminate...another tip...if there is a big bubble trapped in the middle of your layup, DON'T try to pop it...try to gently "walk it out" to the nearest edge...
Now don't expect that you are going to get 100% of all the bubbles out,100% of the time...your goal is to get the maximum majority of any really big bubbles out, say bigger than a 1/4"...yeah, I know that sounds like a big bubble, but in the entire scheme of things, if you end up with 3 or 4, 1/4" bubbles over an area of a couple of square feet, that is pretty much insignificant, in the circles I have run in...
You will also almost always end up with many tiny, micro bubbles, they too, are pretty insignificant...
When you take into account the way a lot of these boats were originally built, you were lucky to find areas that even had any glass adhered to anything at all in lots of places, and yet they have lasted 20 plus years of neglect...
Don't drive yourself crazy trying to get everything perfect...even if you do the job 50 % better than it was done originally, you have still almost doubled the original life expectancy of your boat...
When you look at pictures of my finished glassed areas, they look pretty darn good...FROM a COUPLE of FEET away!
Some places you would be hard pressed to find any bubbles, others have some...with the amount of resin and glass I have put into this thing, I would put it up against any of the new boats from its era and even if I were to neglect it, I would bet my last dollar that it would outlast the originals by several years...
Like I have mentioned elsewhere, I have worked with guys who work on Yachts, really expensive toys, and they think I tend to go 'overboard' when they see my glassing...
So, like I said, don't make yourself nuts over some bubbles...this is a learn as you go process and it can only get better with repetition...
If you are having big bubble problems, post up some pics and descriptions of what you did and we'll try to analyze the situation and find a solution...
Another note of interest, keeping your MEK-P in the fridge will make it last a very long time...
AND, as long as the resin hasn't turned into jelly, or is full of a MAJORITY of hard lumps, then it is probably OK...of course time takes its toll on everything, but I have used resin that has been properly stored, which is over a year old...of course my disclaimer is that just because it has worked for me, does not necessarily mean it will work for you...
The best place to keep your resin is in a cool and dry place and never in direct sunlight...
If possible, you should try to keep some smaller containers handy to store your resin in ever smaller vessels, like paint, if you have a quart of resin in a gallon container, all that trapped air can and does cause problems.
The less air you store with your resin, the more stable it remains...
Hope some of this helps...
Best of luck
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GT1m that is a very well thought out helpful thing you just wrote me, it made me feel much more confident in what i've been doing. I guess i have been going overboard trying to get EVERY SINGLE LITTLE MICROSCOPIC bubble out, i thought it was really important, lol. The glass has indeed tacked up well, so that crisis is over:lol: Tomorrow i will post more pictures of what i've done, i wanna keep you guys in the loop and entertained with all this goodness. Since i already ordered another gallon of resin, i might as well lay up an extremely redundent amount of fiberglass on the inside, like so much that i will never have to worry. You wouldnt believe what those rednecks did to this poor boat
 

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Oh this is kinda stupid question... but, i have an excess of PVA primer, like the stuff you'd use on fresh drywall. I was wondering if i could paint that over partially cured glass to seal it so that it fully cures, and then sand it all off. Would that work? It seems i could put anything over partially cured fiberglass to seal off from air, so long as it is easy to sand off.
 

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So yesterday and today i got laid up ALOT of fiberglass on the inside of the bow end, here's how it looks!: Before After Creepy face BOat o' lantern

I think it came out pretty good, a few air bubbles here and there, but whatever, i'm not going to stress too much about a few anymore.
 

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Re: 1960's 13' MFG carefree Rebuild (complete noob, i know nothing about this!)

Thanks for the crepy face.. Gave me a gooood laugh..:pound:

Very nice work on the glassing.. Looks good from here..
 

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I'm not sure which looks better, the glass or the face!!!!:eek:
 

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Re: 1960's 13' MFG carefree Rebuild (complete noob, i know nothing about this!)

I asked this question yesterday, but no one saw it. I was wondering if i can put PVA drywall primer over Semi-cured fiberglass to make it fully cured, the same way as you would put PVA spray on to seal from air, or wax additive. It seems that any sort of paint could be used to seal off from air, and then be sanded later; A sacrificial coat if you will. hahaha, i Just had to throw the creepy face photo in, i knew someone would get a good laugh out of it
 

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Is it okay to add more hardener to peanut butter mixtures for fillets? I'd like to make my fillets cure FASST so that i can lay up fiberglass over them Asap. There is a rather large hole situated directly over a rib:facepalm: My idea is to Filet either side of the rib and then fiberglass over it, i think this is a solid plan.
 

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I don't know about the pva paint stuff. I prolly would not but don't have a reason. you can mix the PB "Hot" but don't go over 2% per volumen.
 

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Re: 1960's 13' MFG carefree Rebuild (complete noob, i know nothing about this!)

You can actually begin laying cloth/mat right over the still curing fillets...I use the CSM tabbing as a way smooth over the fillet while its still wet and create the necessary transition, instead of trying to create the coved corner with a separate tool, like a spoon or whatever...
I also tend to lean towards slower curing resin, as opposed to faster...gives me more time to either get it right or totally mess it up...:eek:;):D
 
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