Land of the Oppressed

[rwise]

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Kenny<br />I here (read) what you are saying, it's not about smoking of not! In some cities, the grass cannot be more than 2" tall, and if you have a cat or dog you MUST use a leash when outside, you cannot park on the grass in your own yard, you cannot have a car that doesn't run, you can have a boat OR an RV not both, your boat/RV must be on a pad, you must were a seat belt, NOW they are trying to limit the noise a boat can make! I own my home, I do not the government owns it and if I don't pay the rent (they call it tax) they'll take it and rent it (they call it sell) to someone willing to pay them for it. Where does it stop. We have the right to pay taxes. We are not free and have not been free for many years. I read a while back that in CA. you cannot paint a sports car "Earthtones" be cause it's offensive. Yes I vote, most of those I vote for do not win. <br />Richard

 

[mellowyellow]

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this is not about "public" behavior, it's about<br />the right of gov't to control behavior on "private"<br />property.<br />every person, employees included, have the choice<br />to NOT visit/work for any place where smoke is<br />allowed.<br />smokers have the choice to smoke too, but then<br />get to sue tabacco co's for gettin sick?<br />some fat chick couldn't control her thighs and<br />spilled hot coffee on herself... rewarded?<br />I 100% agree that INDOOR public places <br />should be smoke free.<br /><br />next...

 

[jamiewashere256]

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I think I need to fart.

 

[KennyKenCan]

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Hey wandering,<br /><br />Be careful where you fart, Big Brother now has fart detectors out there!<br /><br />Kenny

 

[Ralph 123]

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Ralph, not eating things that contain something you are allergic to is not the same thing as being allergic to something others do and you have no control over.

Cooks and companies have control over using MSG - it is a man made substance. So it is exactly the same thing<br /><br />

You can easily avoid eating things with MSG in them

You can easily avoid places that allow smoking. In fact, you can avoid smoke easier than I can avoid MSG. Just go to your cupbaord and read some labels for proof.<br /><br />

You feel you have the "right" to smoke anywhere you want I feel people have the "right" to enjoy things and not to be caused to get sick because of something you choose to do.

No I think it is up to the owner of the stablishment not the government. The government has a right to ban smoking in PUBLIC (i.e., owned equally by all people) but has no right to do so on PRIVATE proerty.<br /><br />

Should those allergic to smoke be forced to stay home

No they should go places where smoking is not allowed.<br /><br />

Perhaps we could have a bar or nightclub with a smoking and non smoking section

That should be up to the owner. If he thinks it is worth the expense and would help business then great. I don;t think it should be forced down his throat - that's un-American in my book<br /><br />Once again - THIS IS NOT ABOUT SMOKING PER SE. IT IS ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. ABOUT FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION. ABOUT HEADING DOWN THE SLIPPERY SLOPE OF CHIPPING AWAY AT PEOPLE'S GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO BE FREE AND MAKE CHOICES.<br /><br />It is easy to take away freedoms you don't like. But sooner or later they get around to a freedom you do like and then you're screwed because it will be too late.

 

[mellowyellow]

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thanks Ralph,<br /><br />"IT IS ABOUT PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS. ABOUT FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION. ABOUT HEADING DOWN THE SLIPPERY SLOPE OF CHIPPING AWAY AT PEOPLE'S GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO BE FREE AND MAKE CHOICES."<br /><br />mmmmm.... <br />be free?<br />make choices?<br />I can't!<br />need the gov't to make them for me.<br /><br />u said it all....

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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All I can say is that I take it that you people don't play BINGO? <br /><br />Talk about overworked smoke detectors. <br /><br />Sure they have smoking and non smoking sections, but it don't help, not in a bingo hall. <br /><br />They have them so people think they are in a non smoking section. <br /><br />A lot of the gripes are legitimate gripes and some for the most part, are jump on the no smoking bandwagon, as I see it.

 

[jamiewashere256]

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I'm going to check my drawers now.....

 

[jamiewashere256]

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All this talk about farting and things going down toilets has made me want to go to Taco Bell.

 

[jamiewashere256]

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All this talk about farting and things going down toilets has made me want to go to Taco Bell

 

[lakeman1999]

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SBN! are you a bingo parlor junkie???

 

[SpinnerBait_Nut]

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Can you say B-1? <br /><br />It is just funny that what makes it a non smoking section is a ceiling fan.

 

[lakeman1999]

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Ha Ha

 

[SeaMasterZ@aol.com]

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guess all those beige and brown XKE Jags would be considered offensive then, right? come to think of it, grass is green, like British Racing Green ...

 

[Fishbusters]

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Private: Not for public or common use.<br />Public: 1. Of, pertaining to, or affecting the people at large or community. 2. For the use of the public; especially for hire.<br />Not that I am a lawyer or anything but the definitions of these words say a lot about them. Many people confuse private ownership of a publicly place with a private place. The fact is a bar, store restaurant and lots of other places while privately owned are defined as public places due to the nature of the business. I feel it is the government's responsibility to make sure public places follow and adhere to certain rules and guidelines in order for them to be safe for all people to use. No one argues about fire codes for places and health standards for restaurants which are both set and enforced by the government. The reasons are obvious. If the government chooses to expand rules and regulations to cover the potential hazards from smoke or even flatulence then I feel it is doing it's job. Of course there is one more thing to consider here we elect the people in the government who decide what rules (laws) we all have to follow. These people represent us and do what they feel the general population would if they were in their shoes. If we truly don't like something you need to keep in mind that under our government majority rules and if you don't like it you can seek out other recourses and work to change either the way the majority feels or go about proving that according to the basic rights the majorities before us established it is wrong. Stating your point here is a good start but if you really feel as strongly about it as you seem to here do something "real" about it.

 

[Ralph 123]

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Most laws passed to date covering privately owned establishments are there to protect people against unknown or unforseen risks that are not being willing accepted by the patron.<br /><br />Examples are fire laws (which did not help a bit in RI now did they) and food prep laws.<br /><br />Now people know the risks involved in drinking at a bar that allows smoking. Something that has been allowed for hundreds of years. Hundreds.<br /><br />The problem is that people want to take ownership of something that does not belong to them and make rules about the use of somebody elses property. That is what communists and socialists like to do. Typically, Americans have rejected such notions. <br /><br />There just no end to this. Becuase it is good for you in this one case it's ok. But trust me, like a frog in a pan of water with the heat being slowly turned up, your rights are gonna wind up just as dead as that frog before you know it.

 

[JGREGORY]

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Ralph way to go. <br /><br />Let see if we can boil this down to a simple issue.<br /><br />Does the Government have the right to protect ourselves from doing something stupid?<br /><br />If you are alergic to smoke do you need to the big G to protect you or are you capable of making the decision yourself to avoid such places. <br /><br />Before you answer and say it is your right to go into a public eatery keep in mind that unless it is owned by the Gov't it is not public. It is owned by an individual who has put out their own money into this enterprise, they own it lock, stock, and barrel. If they fail the Gov't does not nor should they bail them out. I believe they call it Capitalism.<br /><br />Whoever, owns this enterprise has the right the control it's future and direction. <br /><br />In the case of peanuts. The owners of the airlines (ie the stockholder via the board of directors) decided to take peanuts off the airplanes because of health risks and law suits. It is what is known as protecting equity.<br /><br />If and owner of a resturant decides that they will make a better profit if they allow smoking in their establishment that is there right! If based on belief the Gov't comes in and says NO NO we do not allow smoking! Essentially the Gov't is saying to, Me, You, and anybody else that has the drive to own a business that you have to segregate a portion of your clientell and make less of a profit. Those who don't smoke stand there and say good I don't want to breath smoke(myself included) <br /><br />However, lets us change the right to smokefree resturant to a color free resturant. Not the same thing? States in the deep south in the early half of the 20th century did just that. They segregated out a minorty group in this country because the "magority" wished it. <br /><br />It was not right then and it is not right now! Minority groups no matter who they are must have the same freedoms that you and I enjoy. Although we may not agree with or like that group they MUST have the same freedoms. That Is what America is about.<br /><br />It is the right to go to the local resturant and spend your money or to not spend your money. Our market economy will dictate whether a smoking resturant wll remain open or not by the money it does or does not receive. If a privately owned resturant sees that another just like his is doing better or worse depending on the people he caters to does he not have the right to alter or change who they cater to also.

 

[lakeman1999]

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Not in this day and age Jgregory.

 

[KennyKenCan]

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Hey lakeman,<br /><br />Thats the problem, our rights keep on going out the window.<br /><br />Thats what this thread is all about.<br /><br />Kenny

 

[pmueller]

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"Isn't a smoking section in a restaurant like a peeing section in a pool?"<br />Sorry, just came to mind after reading this thread. I believe that line is from George Carlin.