1960's 13' MFG carefree Rebuild (complete noob, i know nothing about this!)

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Re: 1960's 13' MFG carefree Rebuild (complete noob, i know nothing about this!)

The new transom looks good, even better with the added color :D
 

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You can add the csm, but isn't this all under the transom lip of the splashwell?

The next poor bastard that does a rehab on this boat will hate you, but you can put a healthy dose of PB on top of the transom's edge when you put the splashwell on, and smooth it out, and fillet it on the underside.....

Mine had a piece of angled trim covering the splashwell/transom joint to help with keeping the water out
 

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Hey Bg ..... GT is spot on with that link. That is exactly how I measured mine. I am going to have to look up what length I ordered ...... I don't remember what it was off hand.
 

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I think there's a pretty good link for measuring at the Teleflex website.

In fact here's their measuring video:
 

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I finished the transom and installed the endcaps... Unfortunately i have no photos to show you guys, because i was going so quick that when it was all done i flipped the boat over and cut out the keel. The end caps went on quite nicely. To install them i chizzeled out that weird white plaster resin stuff and then grinded it out. Then i just filled the whole thing with peanut butter smooshed it on. Came out great, i'll try to get a pic. Alright, so now i've cut out the keel and i'm wondering how far i should grind back the fiberglass?
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Should it be ground right to where the keel began to slope?
 

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Since you want to layer the glass, and have it feather at the edges, I'd come out far enough to allow at least 2 of the glass layers to be out onto the hull. That should give you plenty of bonding area & allow you to make a nice even tapered edge on the glass to minimize the amount of fairing needed when you get to paint prep...

The other thought I had was to come out almost to that lap line in the hull, what's that about 6-7"? Then you'd have much more room to add & feather the glass layers, plus a roughly straight line to follow when fairing.
 

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I just crawled under the boat to take a picture of the transom with end caps installed, didnt want to disappoint anyone!
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See all the light coming through between the third and fourth rib? yeah, i just had to grind all that for some dumb reason, i guess i was thinking of overlapping the 1708 all the way to there... never happened. So now its going to have to be fixed:facepalm: I did however, get the 1708 overlapped over the first rib.
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Heres how the end cap looks where i ground all that white stuff and replaced it with peanut butter. So yeah, theres times i wish i didnt get into this box of worms of a boat, so many problems, i'll have to take pictures of the pitfiful hull repairs. It looks like someone smashed into a rock, then they went to the hardware store and got some waxed resin and csm and just went to town without proper surface prep or anything. They just slapped it on, i'm able to peel off some of the repair jobs with a screwdriver..... I've put this miuch time and money into the boat though, i must keep pushing onward!
 
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Looks like the caps did go back on good. I too have some bad keel repairs to deal w/ when the time comes :facepalm:
 

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BG I thought I was looking at Jon,s thread for a second with that exact same keel damage .LOL! You got ya some good glassing experience with the transom so the keel should be a piece a cake . Your making good progress !;)
 

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While cleaning up the keel i noticed the bow end had this weird black substance all over it, it had a rubbery tar like consistency. It looks like it was used as a fairing compound or something. This worried me, so i got the angle grinder out and started grinding away, and then i just kept grinding and grinding.....
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I prodded at it with a screwdriver and it went clear through... this was an indication that it had to go(You can see to the right where i had dug away at it)
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I was seeing nice white fiberglass underneath, might as well keep going....
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It then revealed a large gouge where someone had beached.... I wonder what other mysteries we'll find.......
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Then i found this....... It looks like someone smashed into a rock going full speed ahead while drinking heavily and blasting country music... My god.
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Heres what it looks like with all the black stuff completely removed. Now, what course of action would one of you master glassmen take? The inside of the massive hole seems fiberglass pretty well, i thought it was full of peanut butter. I pounded on it with my fist and it seemed good, just a few air bubbles. Do u think i should smoothen it out and lay some glass over it, and if so what kind and how much?
 

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I think there was a big hole where the Hook thingy is, i wasnt able to grind all the black stuff away from that, but i'm pretty sure it had been repaired in the past. I wasn this done right, thats why i grinded all the stuff awayy. And i was concerned with how it would be for painting it
 

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I'd recommend sanding/grinding the area down to good glass and then applying 2-3 layers of CSM or whatever's required to bring it back to level if it's gunna take 3 layers then I'd use one layer of CSM a layer of 1708 and a final layer of CSM. Then sand and do your final fairing and you'll be good to go. Make sure the bow eye is reinforced well on the inside as well.
 

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I'd recommend sanding/grinding the area down to good glass and then applying 2-3 layers of CSM or whatever's required to bring it back to level if it's gunna take 3 layers then I'd use one layer of CSM a layer of 1708 and a final layer of CSM. Then sand and do your final fairing and you'll be good to go. Make sure the bow eye is reinforced well on the inside as well.
Thank you WOG, i will do that. How far should the csm and 1708 overlap the hole? I'm thinking about removing the bow eye and then redoing it because it is a tad bit loose(i'm able to slightly push it in and out) Its good to hear from you Woodonglass, I've been waiting a long time for you to chime back in on my project. I've learned alot from everything you've wrote to Jon sob. Did ou see how i was able to get the end caps back on without cutting them?
 

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I'm really curious what that black stuff was, it was weird. When i grinded it it dint make a pouder like fiberglass was. It felt more like Eraser shavings from a pencil... Im definitely not saving that dust for thickener. Do u have any idea what that could have been?
 

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I suspect you too have uncovered the previous owner's dreaded truck bedliner hack-job repair :facepalm: It is NO fun removing it from a tinny either......

I'd think you should proceed as you suggested, but I'd probably remove the bow eye, to make it easier to glass, resin, fill & fair :)

Keeping the laplines even & correctly tapered into the bow may be challenging. Similar to your transom work, just slightly different ;) And based on the duck to water work you did back there, it shouldn't be too tough for ya.
 

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I suspect you too have uncovered the previous owner's dreaded truck bedliner hack-job repair :facepalm: It is NO fun removing it from a tinny either......

I'd think you should proceed as you suggested, but I'd probably remove the bow eye, to make it easier to glass, resin, fill & fair :)

Keeping the laplines even & correctly tapered into the bow may be challenging. Similar to your transom work, just slightly different ;) And based on the duck to water work you did back there, it shouldn't be too tough for ya.
Ahhhhh, that must be what it is Friken truck bed liner! Its all coming together now, i mean, it did come from a trailer park.... Makes alot of sense. And guess what was under that bed liner? You guessed it, Bondo..... Total redneckism.
JB, i'd love to see the pics of what your boat looked like covered in Bed liner, that must have been a ***** to remove from aluminum. Your idea of taking out the Bow eye will definitely be done. I could see that being in the way, especially for something thats supposed to be smooth and sleek. I'll take it out, do the glassing. Then mount it into a piece of wood and cover it i PB, then attach a rope to the eye and tighten it to a tree. When its cured i'll untie it and it should be good.
 

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Thank you WOG, i will do that. How far should the csm and 1708 overlap the hole? I'm thinking about removing the bow eye and then redoing it because it is a tad bit loose(i'm able to slightly push it in and out) Its good to hear from you Woodonglass, I've been waiting a long time for you to chime back in on my project. I've learned alot from everything you've wrote to Jon sob. Did ou see how i was able to get the end caps back on without cutting them?
I've been following along. You've done some fine work. Others have been giving you excellent advice, so I've just been observing. I'm always available via PM's if you feel the need. JBC is correct about removing the Eye.
 

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Do you guys think that 2 gallons and 1 pint of resin will be enough to do the keel and that hole? I hope so or im gonna have to go order more.....
 

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Hmm seems like I was a bit light on pix of the bedliner, but how about a pix of flotation foarm:
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Yeah, it was a long hot summer around these parts, carp....:facepalm:
 
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